I love reading the Breeding Fourms, because its always just like a soap opera over here!! 
Life without horses is possible, but pointless…
that is weird I agree Pacificsolo.
Since whe are the bloodlines of a horse (as that is all Alexandra just asked for) secretive?
I was under the impression that every horse with breeding papers in Germany was registered in the FN with all breeding/competitive data available to the public. Am I wrong Alexandra/Aurum?
Besides if you had wanted to keep things privy with your client Atom, then you never should have posted that Mahal got a new horse for a birthday present in the first place 
There was a young Trakehner stallion that we showed the USDF series with over three years that was sabino (owner was unaware) Phatt Charly who also produced horses who could be considered Pinto’s. Unfortunately Charly died very young, but still has several foals expected this year that may indeed be Pinto’s again with belly spots etc. and I believe a couple of last years foals had spots in other places. I too would have liked to breed to this stallion, not for his colour alone as I watched him mature and what a nice horse he was.
I had questioned in another post…and since there is no test for sabino it is hard to say how many of them are out there.
Alexandra if you cross your mare that you posted with the colt, with Charly I would bet you just might get a loud sabino.
Christine no need to get upset about your post going in another direction. Really for once we have all learned a great deal and avoided a total catfight NOW I CALL THAT PROGRESS. As far as you taking words off of Gwen’s site about breeding for 20 years quality horses. She has, and you have breed to her stallions in the past so you KNOW she has. How Kinsky horses enter into Gwen’s breeding program, you will have to explain…YOU FORGOT EQUUS KINSKY WARMBLOOD STUDFARM SINCE 1838
These are two totally different types of horses.
Pintofoal posted a VERY good point and one that has been a big sore spot for me. How many times have we seen horses of colour posted that were of poor quality but a nice colour? Common you have seen the horses…you look at them and think nice colour but if it weren’t for the colour you wouldn’t give them a second look for breeding! Stallions that should be geldings mares that should never reproduce. It happens in all breeds.
I own the FIRST Palomino Leopard German WB colt, did that automatically make him a stallion prospect? I doubt that is the first thing Gwen thought of when she produced the colt. Not in my mind either, when I first saw the pictues of him all I saw was what appeared to be a cream horse. I liked him, his conformation etc. and how he moved in his video online. But, I couldn’t see his actual colour at first. Personally I cannot fault him, temperment, conformation, colour that’s the way I look at a horse. In the end it will be up to what happenes at the inspection…but at the end of the day we will still have a very nice horse.
Pintofoal ownes the first approved for breeding (correct me if I am wrong in my wording please) homozygous Pinto WB, take one look at him and his ability to be a great stallion could not be questioned.
It’s nice to be able to produce the first, or to have unusual horses. But I doubt anyones goal is to produce for colour only with out first thinking about quality.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I’ve always wanted a perlpalello. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thats is about the damned funniest thing I have ever heard!
A PERLPALELLO ???
That is hilarious …
“Spot”
This is the funniest thing that I have read in a long time. You all are hilarious.
And just so you can all be jealous, I am posting a photo of my rare colored horse who is a double nondilute reverse appaloosa. Eat your hearts out, perlpalello breeders!
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Little Indian - he is just plain adorable and I love that smudge on the side of his face.
He looks like such a good boy too and happy in his job!
Nice sabino …
“Spot”
Neat spot!
I woulda kept her for myself!!
But your program is the palomino kick so I understand why she had to go.
BTW what do you have due this year?
Have you bred to any of the outside extraordinary colored TB’s?
A Sport Horse breeder Of Color.
Mandy I guess she means that I am not in the Equus Kinsky breeding business, which is correct. The Kinsky breed as you know, is a breed of its own. Palomino Leopard Warmblood wrote her sentence because Mahal brought that up a bit earlier in one of her last posts, please check for that one. I also do not see what MY breeding program has to do with Equus Kinsky.
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[This message was edited by aurum on Apr. 09, 2003 at 03:55 AM.]
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nikita:
This thread has become totally bizarre! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Why do you hink I’ve made popcorn and got a comfy chair?
“I’ll allow the baby-eating silliness, but y’all can’t just ramble on about everything under the sun out here.” - Erin
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Your speech is directed at me, isn’t it? I can’t believe the jealousy on this board at times. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> OH NO Nikita 
you figured me out…caught me red handed. I am green with envy. Damn you 
I wanted to be the first to breed a pintoperlpalello!!! But don’t you worry my pretty…I will bred a BETTER pintoperlpalello then you 
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Stop the madness!!! This thread it too funny!
Finally…found my dream horse! He’s coming home in April!
He also can’t be a Palomino:
A palomino always does have white mane and tail, his coat is always darker.
As you can see on the pictures, Modern Art’s mane, tail and coat, even his eyelashes do have the same color - they look like apricose-gold.
So, what else do you think can Modern Art be?
He’s definitely a perlino.
As the other posters have stated, the colt cannot be a Perlino it would be genetically impossible. When you breed a cremello and a palomino the resulting foal can only be a cremello or a palomino 50/50 chance. I am not sure how you thought otherwise. This colour chart for horses might help explain things for you. Http://www.horsecolor.com/dilutions/cream/foal_chart.htm
The perlino color is the buckskin color with one more cream gene added. The buckskin is a bay horse with one cream gene, and the perlino is a bay horse with two cream genes. Or, you could say it’s a buckskin with one more cream gene added. These horses have cream colored body hair and a darker yellow, tan or orange cast to their manes & tails.
I have seen many palomino foals born entirely golden looking it is VERY common, some are even born looking chesnut. With a foal coat it is sometimes difficult to judge their true colour. Their mane and tail becomes white as they mature.
Aurum,
Just wanted to say… I don’t usually “Wow!” over colored horses – I can mostly take or leave color. But I’m looking at these pictures of Starbuck, and…
“Wow!”
Quite a handsome lad.
Hey spot, who owns the mare now?
She sure is a looker! Movement and color!
A Sport Horse breeder Of Color.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aurum:
Sonja the grand parents of Noa and of Mahal have all been Palomino on the sire and on the dam side. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thank you for that info. I didn’t know the colors of these horses, that’s why I asked for more info.
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> You cannot change genetics, that is just not possible and if that sorrel mare was really sorrel, then the sire was definitely not the Palomino if the outcome was a buckskin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I am not trying to change genetics, all I did is to explain which “crazy colors” I met from other breds.
A foal doesn’t only carry the gens of his sire and his dam but also gens from his grandparents, great-grandparents, and so on.
If genetic would be that easy, breeding horses would be sooooo simple and all breeder would bred only superior horses.
To the buckskin: Well, there was definitely no other stallion out there. Maybe flying sperm???
<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And a Perlino born does absolutely not look like this colt you might not have seen one, but I had one, so I know how a Perlino looks like. They are born exactly like cremellos with very light ivory coat and aqua blue eyes and they have pink skin, just the mane and tail is a bit of greyish/reddish. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
All I know about perlinos is what I learned from Quarter horse breeders. Maybe genetics in warmblood sporthorses and Quarter horses is not the same?
Just kidding…
Have a great day
Sonja
I hate to bother, but wouldn’t it be apropriate to start a new thread for this JC namings? It has nothing to do with the initial thread and would perhaps also be of interest for others but not within this thread.
Perhaps “JC and naming TBs”? Thanks.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> So if the last 2 horses I owned had a big white blaze, 4 high white stockings, and white on their bellies they are possibly Sabino? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes
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Hi Aurum,
please can you tell me more about your perlino foal and the parents ?
What is the breeding of Upper Class and what have the stallion for papers ? In which association is the stallion approved ? And the mare registered ? I can not found informations of him.
Can you post more pictures of the foal as newborn foal and also as 3 years old mare or so ?
Thank you Chelsea
Well, here’s my two cents:
Anriejetto is a gray, your mare is a Palomino. Silver Dapple is a Dominate gene so it would have to be present in one of the two parents. So you have to ask your self–well was/is my mare really a silver dapple and not a palomino? or is Anreijetto a Silver Dapple and not really a gray or is he a silver dapple and a gray? Afrikaner, Anreijetto’s sire is a brown or bay, so he was not a silver dapple. Erica, Anriejetto dam I cannot find a color on, but she would have to be both gray and silver dapple to add this color to Anreijetto. Erica is Gelderlander and as far as I know I have never heard of a silver dapple Gelderlander. So this brings us back to your mare. She is all TB right? by Gold Apollon, who we are pretty sure is a palomino and not a silver dapple, since generations later his offspring and their offspring have been palominos but I’ve never seen a silver dapple one. And your mare doesn’t appear to be silver dapple, but palomino, do you know your mares dam’s color? So back to Anriejetto (are we getting confused yet?) He is gray by all accounts and from what I’ve seen. I have seen him in person at Devon over the years and he was getting lighter and lighter with age and his mane is dark (like almost solid black)–silver dapples do not get lighter and their manes are light or highlighted. I’ve also seen offspring of his and again never a silver dapple, I’ve seen ones who have gone gray thou. The silver dapple gene effects the black in a horses coat, your colts mane and tail are getting darker–not staying light, the gray gene will do this, the silver dapple will not to the best of my knowlage. Even if this gene (silver dapple) has been hidden in “chestnuts” wouldn’t you think that by now a silver dapple on a dark coat would have happened by now in one of these generations?–Anreijetto has been fairly popular breeding. I am by no means an expert in color genetics, but the silver dapple gene and the gray gene both being dominates are pretty easy to figure out–it has GOT to be there in the first generation to pass on, so either your mare or Anreijetto has got to be a silver dapple, I do not know what color Anreijetto was born, but we do know he has turned gray and there is a 50% chance he passed his gray gene to the colt, if he is also a silver dapple that means he had a 50% chance of passing that too, I think we are safe to assume that your mare is not a silver dapple but a palomino (and I don’t think she is hiding a silver dapple gene) and she passed the palomino onto the colt, so I believe what we are seeing is very characteristic of a palomino base color going gray. There now I have even confused myself!!!
Why don’t these folks get some DNA testing done? It’s not that terribly expensive and would help solve the speculations about this colts color.
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Every Excitedly of more photos.
Here Noa and baby
MAHAL
