***RARITY***

[Dunhorse]

Aurum,

The Barlink gene came from the apha stallion, Barlink Macho Man, as well as through decendants of his maternal granddam, My Tontime.

I was not meaning to imply that the WB horses which were being discussed could carry the barlink factor. I was simply replying to vanilla & black’s challenge to explain an apparent cremello with a chestnut parent.

The reference to the silver dilution was simply to explain black based colors which result from breeding horses which seem to be chestnut based. This type of phenomenon is what causes people who have not studied up on coat color genetics to believe that genes can come down from the grandparents when they are NOT carried by the parents.

I am sorry for any confusion.

LOL. Of course I agreed that a parent can not pass on a gene which it does not have in the first place. That is absolute basic genetic principal!

YOu have certainly seen your share of newborn palominos, and what I have seen in pictures and in life is directly in line with your findings.

I also agree that Marfil looks to be a palomino going grey. If you would like to look at another confirmed palomino going grey, go to Ladybughills site, http://ladybughillfarm.vaix.net/ , and check out Rou under past horses.

That said:
Hear, Hear Pintofoal! An excellent summary of what color breeding should be all about!

God forbid that I should go to any Heaven in which there are no horses.
~R. Graham

[GotSpots]

Well, I had thought I could keep him hidden, but I have the first purpapintozebrello in the world. All of you poser zebrellos and pintozebrellos out there should note the cream and burgundy striping, an obvious indication of the double dilute cross-patterned innate duct-striping marker.

[MAHAL]

RETURN to my topic RARITY
Well, this year I bred a perlino named MODERN ART; next year I will bred the first PERLPALELLO of the world and call him “Made in Germany”
Course he will have German Warmblood paper, not registerd PERLPALELLO.

Thank you for the interest on my topic

MAHAL

Home of Mahal
exclusively colored German Warmblood
horses with world class bloodline
www.coloredfoals.com

[This message was edited by MAHAL on Apr. 07, 2003 at 05:04 PM.]

[This message was edited by MAHAL on Apr. 07, 2003 at 05:05 PM.]

[MAHAL]

to aurum and Norsire
Thank you for your congratulations.

I very well understand that you mistrust my announcement of the very first perlino German Warmblood colt. Yes, his dam is Noa, a cremello mare, and his sire is Mahal, a palomino.
BUT
As a matter of fact, my colt, Modern Art, is definitely a perlino.

He can’t be a cremello:
You may know, a cremello does have a very bright skin AND blue eyes.
As you can see on that picture, Modern Art doesn’t have blue eyes like his mother, Noa. His eyes are dark blue

He also can’t be a Palomino:
A palomino always does have white mane and tail, his coat is always darker.
As you can see on the pictures, Modern Art’s mane, tail and coat, even his eyelashes do have the same color - they look like apricose-gold.

So, what else do you think can Modern Art be?
He’s definitely a perlino.

Mahal

Home of Mahal
exclusively colored German Warmblood
horses with world class bloodline
www.coloredfoals.com

[MAHAL]

to MyShadeofPink

Question!
not to stir anything up or question anything… but how is this horse a palomino?
http://www.coloredfoals.com/purI.htm#Golden Horses Purchase I
all the way to the bottom, named Marfil

Marfil, the associaiton ZfDP give him Palomino paper!
He was born as a palomino and is registered as Palomino pony with the association “ZfdP”. Many of the horses registered with the ZfdP do have Palomino papers but are sorrel or buckskin. Marfil’s color(Marfil is the spanish word for “Elfenbein”) grew grey. His full brother was born as buckskin,but he have Deutsche Reitpony paper!

See the photo of Marfil as foal

MAHAL

Home of Mahal
exclusively colored German Warmblood
horses with world class bloodline
www.coloredfoals.com

[Policy_of_Truth]

You may have to settle for a lilac dun

[Norsire]

Gold Card has a very rare foal, that I will post tomorrow, after I go to Lizards house and have her scan them. He is a smokey creme with blue eyes, plus he is a curly. I will keep you guessing, but the mare was not a curly!!! I have photos of him at birth and then months later, with some great shots of his head and eyes. Stay tuned! This is not a joke,it really is real!!!

Home to the stallions Zillionair, Billionair, Issue of Gold, Gold Card, and Pure White Gold.
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[pintofoal]

Ok I have you all beat, but I can’t find the orginal a really good photo of this, that I posted here a while ago, so sorry it’s small. Would love to work some more wonders on the old computer, but its failing in it’s old age–I go throw these poor machines in a year!

Liz Hall silverwoodfarm.com
Pinto & Colored Warmbloods Stallions

[aurum]

Congratulations on the cute baby.

Noa is a Cremello mare, she was bred to Apollon in 2001 and since Mahal is a Palomino, the colt can only be a Cremello or a Palomino. If he has light blue eyes he definitely is a cremello. Cremello x Palomino can only produce 50% Palomino and 50% Cremello, that is genetics. Sorry for no better news.

The one and only Perlino German WB so far was born in 1990 by my Buckskin stallion Upper Class out of the Palomino mare Novella. She was sold to Hannover. I attached a picture.

http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.de
Top class and exceptional colored German Warmblood Sporthorses

[system]

Hi,

thank you Aurum to the answer about Upper Class.
Has the filly German Warmblood Papers ?

to Mahal:

I think the best way is what Daydream Believer said: make a DNA test about his color.
I think he looks different as the two palominos who posted by aurum and Spot.
i saw at your website that Noa get 2002 a buckskin spotted blanket filly.
And I think agree with vanilla & black that not only the parants important for the foal color, also the grandparents. Atom posted there was a buckskin mare in Noas pedigree, and I think she can get a perlino or also a smoky cream.
Mahal-have your stallion also brown or dark brown ancestors in his pedigree ?

Thank you
Chelsea

[Little_Indian]

<-not an eek, a jaw drop. wow. beautiful Spot. I want one lol for as long as i can remember i’ve wanted a jet black minimal tobiano horse with blue eyes and a little arrow on it’s butt making it have a white tail. continues to dream I’m happy with my new sabino wesfalen though
http://pic5.picturetrail.com:80/VOL85/948544/1769578/20927703.jpg

[Norsire]

Atom, what color were the dam and sire? Do you know?

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[aurum]

Here is a picture of the Oldenburg Palomino filly Praline as a one week old baby. The pinkish skin of birth is slightly going into a darker color already, but you can still see that the skin is not yet real dark. It is also the same apricot coat color as Modern Art’s. I never take pictures of Palomino foals before they are minimum one week old as the pinkish skin around eyes and nose does not look so pretty then the darker skin that comes about a week later.

http://www.gestuet-falkenhorst.de
Top class and exceptional colored German Warmblood Sporthorses

[CentralCoast]

Has anyone seen any gray Rou babies? His owner’s website does have a couple of babies and none of them are gray. You would expect Rou to pass along his gray gene 50% of the time also. But, perhaps he hasn’t been bred enough…

[MAHAL]

Angels need a bit longer…
Here comes the picture of Modern Art.
I hope it works now!

[Nikita]

But little do you know that I already have a Perlpalello / Palomino Overo TB filly. I think she’s the first of her kind.

I’m still not sure what colour to put on the JC application though.

[Norsire]

Flsgordon, this will give you all the possiblities for your question asked.
http://www.horsecolor.com/dilutions/cream/foal_chart.htm

But, they don’t have Perlpalello on the charts yet. I’m sure they will add it once they discover Mahal’s Genetic Perlino wonder from Palomino/Cremello breeding!

Home to the stallions Zillionair, Billionair, Issue of Gold, Gold Card, and Pure White Gold.
http://www.norsire.com
Realtor RE/MAX Renaissance, Million Dollar Club

[This message was edited by Norsire on Apr. 07, 2003 at 05:05 PM.]

[Little_Indian]

he’s a 7 year old wesfalen who came in from belgium the fay after christmas

[JB]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flshgordon:
what are the possibilities if you bred each of these type stallions to a dark bay mare??

Perlino?
Cremello?
Palomino?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So much depends on whether the bay mare carries a red gene or if she’s homozygous for black, and if the cremello and palomino’s carry 1 or 2 bay modifiers (and even if your mare carries 1 or 2 bay modifiers). That said, basically you could get nearly anything from the palomino - black, bay, chestnut, smokey black, buckskin, or palomino. From the cremello or perlino you could get smokey black, buckskin, or palomino. If the bay mare doesn’t have a red gene, take out palomino and chestnut from those combinations.

[Palomino_Leopard_WB]

Alexandra, not only does it look like your colt is a minimal white sabino, but from what I can see of the mare in both pictures she is as well.
The socks on both horses come to irregular points as well as the facial markings.
Very nice looking colt.