Really, Dressage Hub?

[edit]. Dump the site and dump her. She did steal the identity of a person who was truly not deserving of her nastiness. Then there was a crazy video of her looking for a home or apartment or something…

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And yet ironically she had a major meltdown earlier this year claiming that certain riders at Global were bullying her and launched a website supposedly aimed at ending bullying in equestrian sport :LOL:

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![]( mean, I guess I could say that this is marshmallow around my horse’s mouth tonight after our ride, but I’d be wrong. God, I’m such an awful, awful horsewoman. Call the ASPCA immediately!!!

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I mean, I guess I could say that this is marshmallow around my horse’s mouth tonight after our ride, but I’d be wrong. God, I’m such an awful, awful horsewoman. Call the ASPCA immediately!!!

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He looks so miserable. You must have used sugar free fluff.

Or this. https://www.swansonvitamins.com/walden-farms-inc-calorie-free-marshmallow-dip-12-fl-oz-jar?SourceCode=INTL4055&gclid=CjwKEAjw2qzHBRChloWxgoXDpyASJAB01Io00BK0RSGTa2dgG8G2sEtLEKUJGeADoP4HyZYfUpGdZBoC33jw_wcB

I bet you used this. You are heartless.

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Obviously see u’s horse has been sipping a cafe latte, which I do believe is illegal (caffeine). I’ll contact the authorities.

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Every once in awhile, I feel the need to break out the original “Pink Tongue” video. This seems like an appropriate time. Starring my dearly departed (and, clearly, abused and tortured) Thoroughbred Desi. God rest his soul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng44xJbkXWU

This Dressage Hub diatribe is the same old theme that’s been played over and over again in different formats, with different targets, always led by a sociopath and backed by a band of pitchfork-wielding ignoramuses to stoke the fire.

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So would the anti-bullying site be the subject of this fairly current thread over on Off Course?
https://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/f…ing-above-hate

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She has a personal vendetta against Jacoma and Jacoma is actually a very nice person, she used to be in New England.

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Maybe this is part of the clickbait promotion she needs to reboot the funding for her social media empire?

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No doubt. Clicks are clicks. It’s too bad, she sometimes has great videos to offer. The 12 days of Christmas was fun.

I’ve unliked and unsubscribed to both her FB and YouTube. This “attack” was the last straw for me, I can’t ignore it any longer. I very firmly believe in developing a strong community in the dressage world, and that ain’t it.

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Agree.

Yup - that’s her. Maybe people should go to her site and share stories about the woman who uses her professional site and social channels to bully, harass and humiliate other riders.

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I’d never heard of blue tongue (can’t see one in the FB pictures) so was looking up what could cause a blue tongue and found this article about the 2009 Edward Gal controversy which sounds weirdly similar.

It’s a long article and I hope not too many go off track with it. He is defending Gal while also stating he does not defend the across-the-board practice of bending the head back.

[Let me preface by saying I had come to a point – from listening to classical dressage trainers and from putting 2’s and 2’s together – where I’m not sure I want to be pulling on my horse AT ALL. Let him come to raising his back and neck on his own [the way I learned in Pilates and which didn’t come to me for a couple years] – from riding the back legs forward and under. One thing I’m scared of is eventual arthritis in horse’s neck - hey, that’s painful! - from what must be an artificial carriage. Dressage is supposed to be about keeping him sound, right?]

One thing that helped me put both things in perspective was watching a recent Master Class by Carl Hester in which he says he looks for relaxation in the neck of the horse he’s riding - all phases. (I hope I can learn to see that, not sure yet whether I can tell - I assume it’s bulging of the wrong muscles when the neck is too tense).

He also practices “giving” the reins every 20 minutes. Both to rest the horse and to be sure horse is carrying himself, not leaning on the reins or being “pulled.” Horse’s neck should not go more down or out when he gives the reins, but neck and every other part should stay in the collected flexion. The giving is indiscernable to bystanders. (or practically so)

Sorry if this is 101 for some of you.

Anyway, here’s the link to:
[URL=“https://thedressageprocess.wordpress.com/2009/12/05/hyperflexionrollkurblue-tongue-insanity/”]Hyperflexion/Rollkur/Blue tongue, Insanity!
December 5, 2009 by Mike Schaffer

Try to skip the whole section on “What FEI should do,” as it’s not the subject here and might add another layer of confusion.

I guess you don’t frequent the dressage forum here much haha just go there and search for Andreas Helgstrand.

Or just search blue tongue. that definitely has made multiple appearances on Coth over the last few years. You can read plenty of discussion on the subject.

Edward Gal was not the subject of this “blue tongue” video. That is Patrik Kittel.

[Let me preface by saying I had come to a point – from listening to classical dressage trainers and from putting 2’s and 2’s together – where I’m not sure I want to be pulling on my horse AT ALL. Let him come to raising his back and neck on his own [the way I learned in Pilates and which didn’t come to me for a couple years] – from riding the back legs forward and under. One thing I’m scared of is eventual arthritis in horse’s neck - hey, that’s painful! - from what must be an artificial carriage. Dressage is supposed to be about keeping him sound, right?]

One thing that helped me put both things in perspective was watching a recent Master Class by Carl Hester in which he says he looks for relaxation in the neck of the horse he’s riding - all phases. (I hope I can learn to see that, not sure yet whether I can tell - I assume it’s bulging of the wrong muscles when the neck is too tense).

He also practices “giving” the reins every 20 minutes. Both to rest the horse and to be sure horse is carrying himself, not leaning on the reins or being “pulled.” Horse’s neck should not go more down or out when he gives the reins, but neck and every other part should stay in the collected flexion. The giving is indiscernable to bystanders. (or practically so)

Sorry if this is 101 for some of you.

Anyway, here’s the link to:
[URL=“https://thedressageprocess.wordpress.com/2009/12/05/hyperflexionrollkurblue-tongue-insanity/”]Hyperflexion/Rollkur/Blue tongue, Insanity!
December 5, 2009 by Mike Schaffer

Try to skip the whole section on “What FEI should do,” as it’s not the subject here and might add another layer of confusion.

Carl Hester is wonderful – love him and could watch him all day long. Just don’t be alarmed if you see him also riding in a “low, deep, round” position. I have some pictures. :slight_smile:

I don’t put a lot of stock in anything from Mike Schaffer (just my personal view, after watching some of his videos and reading his book).

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Love Carl Hester!

I think he gives the reins more than every 20 minutes…right?

And what about stretching - horse should go down and out when giving fully allowing to stretch, right?

Maybe I’m misunderstanding!

Oh yes, sure. Carl was riding when talking, as he does, and horse (in this case, Chippendale) was in midst of a lovely collected trot. His point was that even in collection he gives the reins every so often.

The horse knows he’s not supposed to stop what he’s doing and lengthen his neck at that point – i.e., giving the reins is not the signal to lengthen the neck.

I think Carl and others have worked out a signal for asking the horse to lengthen the neck at the walk. I know in one class he said he gently massages the mouth with his fingers while lengthening the reins (at the walk). This is the cue for horse to go long and low.

P.S. I saw an example of this when I was watching a Spanish School (Lippizzans) video, which really made a lot of pieces fall into place for me. A stallion was in an extremely collected pose, and camera zoomed in on the reins, which were . . . LOOSE!!. Just a tiny looseness to make an ever-so-slight downward curve, and you’d never see it without the zoom lens.

This confirmed for me that, yes, they are teaching “self-carriage.” The horse knows how to as well as does carry himself without the constant pressure on the reins.

Quite the Ah-hah! moment for me. :congratulatory:

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pitchfork-wielding ignoramuses

shouldn’t that be ignorami ???

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No. much like the word is syllabuses and not syllabi, because the root is greek, not latin, it entirely depends on the etymological origin. In this case, the origin is actually a 17th century drama coining a word that never existed. Also etymology is awesome.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ignoramus ignoramus (n.) 1570s, originally an Anglo-French legal term (early 15c.), from Latin ignoramus “we take no notice of, we do not know,” first person plural present indicative of ignorare “not to know, take no notice of” (see ignorant). The legal term was one a grand jury could write on a bill when it considered the prosecution’s evidence insufficient. Sense of “ignorant person” (1616) came from the title role in George Ruggle’s 1615 play in Latin satirizing the ignorance of common lawyers. The plural is ignoramuses as it never was a noun in Latin.

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Not to mention how much fun it is to say “ignoramuses.” :smiley:

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