Recommendations for a Sir Donnerhall x Rohdiamant Oldenburg mare

[srg]

I’m thinking of doing an embryo transfer breeding with my coming 4 year old Sir D x Rohdiamant mare in the Spring and while she is obviously still maturing at only 3.5 years old now and barely 16H, I can tell that I need to breed back some substance into her future foal. She has a STELLAR temperament, but is a little hot and sensitive under saddle. I’m confident that, too, will probably change with some more mileage and time. She has been lightly started for about 4 months now.

All 3 gaits are quite good so I would like to preserve them in whatever sire I choose, add a little height and substance, and tone down her under saddle “spice.” I have an excellent repro vet so I’m comfortable using fresh or frozen. I’m thinking something in the F line with some D thrown in for good measure. Hit me with your suggestions, please! Thank you in advance!

Here is her webpage, complete with several pictures and videos.

http://www.goodnessridge.com/foals/silhouette/

[Serendipity_Farm_Spo]

I bred my Sir Donnerhall/Feiner Stern mare to Wild Dance for 2012. My mare sounds a bit like yours. She is now 4 and just over 16 hands, she is sensible but can be a bit hot undersaddle as well. I really liked the offspring of Wild Dance both in type and movement.

[risingstarfarm]

What about Furstenball?

[TWFarm]

Shari,

Furstenball comes to mind. Nancy H. had a lovely filly by him and has rebred one of her mares back. His dam’s sire is Donnerhall.
Floriscount is another one I’d look at. If you want to go with fresh I’d check out Garner Creek Farms stallion Falsterbo by Fidermark. His dam’s sire is Brentano II. She has video of him on her site.
Etta looks lovely in the video and Siobahn is doing a great job. Congrats on breeding such a nice mare.

[srg]

Thanks for all of those suggestions. Wild Dance is 16.2H, Furstenball is 17H Floriscount is 17.1H, Falsterbo is 16.3H, so all of these stallions are taller than my filly who I’m guessing will mature into a very “modern” and refined 16.1H. Most of these stallions are advertised as “refining” stallions–is that just marketing? Or could the pairing add a little substance to her resultant foal?

I realize that 2 of these are younger stallions with no offspring under saddle yet, but the other thing that is difficult to assess is which stallion will help with the under saddle sensitivity–my mare is an absolute angel on the ground but is a little “hot” under saddle, at least for me, an AA. That is the factor that cannot be determined until you sit on any horse but they can also outgrow it somewhat with age, experience and good training.

[Dressagelvr]

Fabuleux

[TrinitySporthorses]

@srg;5896353

Thanks for all of those suggestions. Wild Dance is 16.2H, Furstenball is 17H Floriscount is 17.1H, Falsterbo is 16.3H, so all of these stallions are taller than my filly who I’m guessing will mature into a very “modern” and refined 16.1H. Most of these stallions are advertised as “refining” stallions–is that just marketing? Or could the pairing add a little substance to her resultant foal?

Of these, I think Floriscount has the ability to add substance to your mare. He is not huge but is certainly tall with good size. Here is a video from early this year (he would be 6 so likely could still fill out some)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oReJMCyVpGE
Also, his Weltmeyer and Donnerhall blood give him a pedigree that makes me think he could add substance. However, as you mentioned, given his age we will have to wait and see to know for sure.

[siegi_b]

How about Hotline?

[Walnut_Farm]

I stood next to Floriscount at his 70 day test and yes, he was huge even then!! 17.2 as a 3 year old
Too early to tell temp. He himself seem good, although lacked a bit self curate on cc portion. Have seen many of his offspring

Would not look at Falsterbo to improve temperament/tone down

And the oldest Fuerstenball are also too young to tell temperament
Watch for pastern here, makd sure your mare has good ones. Seen quiet a fed this year as well (presented one at spring elite auction)

As a side note…
Your girl may not be tall herself, but has much height and substance behind her. Height improvement would not bd my #1 concern

Good luck

[TWFarm]

I also think Hotline would be a great choice. I have a dose that I plan on using with my Rosenthal/Stedinger filly.

[srg]

Her dam has consistently produced a 16.1H mature height son or daughter no matter what stallion I’ve bred to but this filly appears to be the most refined of them all. I’m aware of Ferdinand lurking in the 3rd generation of her dam but I would be hard pressed to see it in this Sir Donnerhall model.

Does anyone knnow why hasn’t Festrauch been used more often? That might be more height than I want but his offspring that I have seen have a wonderful temperament under saddle.

Seigi, thanks for the Hotline suggestion. I haven’t seen too many of his offspring under saddle even though there should be plenty of 4 year olds this year.

[Crosiadore]

I like Hotline and have two nice Hofrat daughters. The smaller one is VERY fancy on the lunge and sweet as all. Best mover the mare has produced from Sandro Hit, Stedinger, Rosario and Samarant. The other is going to be a very good Dressage horse. Excellent walk and amazing canter. And the ability to collect already on the lunge line, is very special. But if you look at the conformation photo of Hotline, you do often get what you see. Right hoof upright and tied in behind the knee. Two of the three lovely Hotlines at the Young Horse Championships had this same fault. It does happen.

Fuerstenball I would not use to add bone. He does not have great bone himself. Love the stallion but not for adding bone. I like what I have seen of some of the Floriscount’s if your mare is very active behind. Florianus had some nice foals at Devon this year. He is a proven performer and one I will look at to use next year especially if you are doing ET. I love the pedigree of Solos Landtinus. Ulla rode him st his stallion Licensing and loved him. Ulla has zero tolerance for idiots…so he must have been extremely ridable. Another on my wish list for next year.

Will keep thinking.

[Sunnydays]

Wolkentanz II? Known for level temperaments, great type and 3 good gaits. A little more substance too, but don’t know if that always passes on. I’d look for something with Brentano perhaps. Bonheur? I like the look of Foundation, though his walk, when tense, is not so good, I understand. And of course, for substance and temperament - Benetton Dream! That might ne a nice foil to Sir D, and brings in the B line.
Edited to second Nancy on giving a look at Florianus and Solos Landtinus.

[Walnut_Farm]

Benetto dream was quite a handful at first (hint hint, holgar took over from Ann Sophie F.) however, I saw him this summer at the Neuenburger Pokal (Spelling) and looked very good. The first crop should go under saddle soon.
Hd sometimes throes this and that, but
Eliza has some of the nicest ones I think

[srg]

I remember how much we all loved Las Vegas (the stallion, not the city, but it’s fun, too!) and so Solos Landtinus was on my list this year, perhaps for Rohsina. Who were you thinking of him for, Nancy? I will look into BD and Florianus. Thanks.

[Crosiadore]

Shari, I was going to use Solos Landtinus on my Lamentos mare. If we got jumper great, if I got a Dressage horse even better. Argentinus and Landadel are two of my favorite bloodlines to see in a horse, and they always seem to be so ridable. My Rubinstein mare already has Argentinus as a dam sire, as does my Johnson mare.

[bluemoonfarms]

Rousseau ?

[srg]

I feel the same way about Argentinus and Landadel, Nancy.

Rousseau adds height in his babies and the Rosseau offspring I have seen all have great temperaments so he is definitely one to consider. Wolkentanz II is a treasure to have in North America so I should look into him. I don’t know too much about Foundation.

[RSW]

[QUOTE=srg;5896672]
Her dam has consistently produced a 16.1H mature height son or daughter no matter what stallion I’ve bred to but this filly appears to be the most refined of them all. I’m aware of Ferdinand lurking in the 3rd generation of her dam but I would be hard pressed to see it in this Sir Donnerhall model.

Does anyone knnow why hasn’t Festrauch been used more often? That might be more height than I want but his offspring that I have seen have a wonderful temperament under saddle.

Seigi, thanks for the Hotline suggestion. I haven’t seen too many of his offspring under saddle even though there should be plenty of 4 year olds this year.[/QUOTE]

I used Festrauch this year on an older Matcho AA/Ludendorff mare (for an older mare she is not old style and fairly refined herself) who is about 16.0 hands and got an absolutely beautiful black, long legged, very typey foal, with 3 really nice gaits (although she did not show them off on her inspection day). I love her, very friendly and one of the smartest foals I have ever had. I am very happy with this cross but he did not add bone.

Added the link in case you want to see her, her mother is on the site too but keep in mind, while she is a St. Pr. St mare, she is 20 years old:-)

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.211151298919865.59812.113124348722561&type=3

[DownYonder]

Shari, would Diamond Hit work for that mare? I am still impressed by the fact that he had three offspring at our Developing Horse Championships this year.