Refusing when…

I’ve actually won a lot in the hunters. But I have major issues with what I see currently in horsemanship, training and teaching, yes. It’s a complete disaster, its often wildly unsafe and the fact so many people start there is a large part of the reason that the US can barely field competitive international teams anymore.

Most of the frequent posters here are in their 60s and 70s or older. Things have changed. You aren’t out watching these kids being taught horrendously bad riding every day anymore. Or seeing how sour the horses are jumping around on GGT footing all season. Or seeing the bad fitting tack they are all being sold.

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I know at least three posters on this thread personally. We all still go to the shows.

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Hmm. Not I, said the 20-something with boots on the ground (and a live feed when the boots are off).

Again. Sweeping generalizations.

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To be clear: I think there is plenty of alarmingly commonplace horrendous riding that is accepted and encouraged by the judging in all disciplines, especially at the lower levels. And yes, I’m including the hunters in that. And dressage. And European riders too, btw.

There’s a lot of crappy riding trying to emulate the winners at the top of the disciplines, but without the nitty gritty basics. But you see that in, well, pretty much every aspect of life. That does not mean that 99% of people are all doing it wrong.

Also, not for nothing, but ‘international team’ disciplines are not the be-all-end-all of equestrian sports. In fact, there’s a whole wide world of riding and horsemanship out there.

Getting off the soapbox now, as I drag us rapidly down the path to derailment.

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Horses are all different, just like people. We adjust to their needs and styles. Your horse likes a deeper seat/leg to hand connection. There is nothing wrong with that. You can adjust. It takes practice. Breathe and relax, you can do this. I have several like this. I typically say, let’s sit 5 strides out and wrap that leg around them. Then we go to 4, then 3 strides after lots of practice. Good luck, your horse will appreciate you riding them the way that they prefer. :heart:

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Too much pulling is definitely a problem lol. I’m working on it and have gotten much better so he’s a much happier horse

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that’s not entirely true, I had a horse exactly like this who was a 1.45 winner, and eventually when I learned how to actually ride we did that together again. scroll up and read my story. Maybe your definition of tactful doesn’t apply to this situation; this ammy doesn’t have a good foundation based on what she’s explained. this horse probably isn’t the best match for her to learn that, but then again based off of my experience she absolutely can learn if she has the right guidance.

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You said mare.

I’ve known more mares like this than any other way, lol.

Ride well and they’ll jump the moon, ride poorly and they will (hopefully gently) correct you.

I had a horse that sounds very similar. She was a horse of a lifetime for me. She won everything in the YJC classes through the 7yos and then won everything at 1.30/1.35. Then went on to win in the 1.40m, but I could feel that we were at the top of her scope. She did absolutely nothing wrong, but instead of continuing to push her until we had a wreck I opted to step her down and let her teach my teenage daughter the ropes. And she was exactly like the OP describes her horse as with my daughter (though had never stopped with me in all the years I’d had her - from 2yo until where she was at at age 10). Sit deep and commit to the fence = jump (no matter the jump, no matter the godawful distance, no matter the height). Lean forward and loosen the leg at a bad distance = stop. Always straight, always “kind”, and never what I would consider a dirty stop.

She taught my daughter so much in the 4 years she rode her, and they finished out their last year winning in the eq/medal and winning in the 1.15m jumpers. I used to joke that I “ruined” my mare by always riding “too” proactively (my tendency is always towards “over-riding” my horses). So when my daughter got on and rode super timidly it just confused her. But boy, a horse who tattles when you’re doing the wrong thing but who jumps when you do the right thing turned my daughter into a beautiful rider. What steals the confidence is the horse who stops without a reason, and I can say that knowing why the horse was stopping just helped her fix her bad habits (again, there was nothing dirty happening, so it didn’t lead to her falling off or to ugly wrecks or anything of the sort - so that’s my caveat because again, all horses are not the same!)

After that, she was leased out to another teenager who she carted around the little jumpers with great success. And then I leased her out to an adult. I would expect her to be the same as what the OP describes here. The mare knows what her job is and she knows what the rider’s job is and she has always gently enforced her boundaries.

There is no pain. The mare is not a “stopper”. IMO, there’s a huge difference between “a stopper” and a “horse who wants you to ride”.

OP - I think you have a “teacher” on your hands. If the mare jumps when you do the right thing then you have a valuable tool to help improve your riding. Stopping 3 times in 4 months is certainly not something I would worry about, and the fact that it happens regardless of the height tells me that the horse is probably legitimately confused or annoyed (again, it’s a mare :wink: )

Of course there are a million different things that could be going on (because…horses), and your horse may not be the same as the horse I had. But I just wanted to provide the perspective that a horse that stops the way you describe does not automatically equal a bad horse and does not mean there’s anything nefarious going on.

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Update: horse is definitely not a stopper. If you stay connected, sit up, keep leg on, the jump happens. I have figured it out. Goal has been not to drop eye or shoulders no matter what—turns out that is never a good idea no matter what you are sitting on :rofl:

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Glad this is the outcome! Thanks for the update. 🩷

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Excellent! He is a professor, not a stopper! I love that (and happy that I was wrong)

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