Thanks for that video @sillyhorse. No @eightpondfarm you didn’t miss a joke. You just have your bias when it comes to dressage.
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How I was taught to do a proper dressage rein back, you’re supposed to lighten your seat by tipping your pelvis just forward and sliding your legs back a touch. That’s what I’m seeing anyways.
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I thought maybe there was something in the soundtrack…This is why i said something about missing the joke:
Thanks! My coach now has a question in her in-box…
Same here. You don’t want the back to hollow, sitting lighter helps.
Hmmm. I was taught to rein back by tipping pelvis slightly backward. Tipping forward is driving seat.
Legs back to send horse forward to not allowing hands, pelvis tipped back to ‘open the back door and show the horse the way out’ - where you want him to travel.
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From watching just a minute or so of that video, he has the forward and back reversed to the way they’re normally talked about. I think you and the above posters may actually be saying the same thing.
The convention is to talk about the direction of the upper pelvis’s tilt, not the bottom like this guy seems to be using.
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Because the tilt on her pelvis that i saw is the opposite direction of what i do. And because of this comment
i did question my coach and she said:
Lighten seat, yes, you are “lifting” the back up to the rider. Legs should just be in position, on the girth or slightly behind.
But no, we don’t tip forward and slide our legs back, this is either a crude use of vocabulary (unclear) as it sounds like they are describing pitching onto the pubic symphysis and then pivoting forward.
i just watched dotneko’s video. That pelvis guy calls tilt-forward and tilt-backward the reverse of what i call it.
so…to avoid cross terminology:
< and > equals horse orientation (which way he is facing)
/ and \ equal pelvic tilt of rider
Looks like the rider in the video does this when getting her reinback:
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I do this:
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so, am i doing the opposite of the entire riding world??
The entire of the English riding world anyway. Tilting the other way slightly, does, in fact, lighten the seat.
Some western riders tilt backwards and jam their feet forwards as their aid for rein back.
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Huh??? The reinback has diagonal pairs moving together…which is why it is used to train piaffe thru the trot. As in RB->Trot exercise.
i suppose it’s par-for-the-course. I usually do most things backward.
How i’ve mentally thought it (…thought the way i do it)…is this: my spine is connected to my horse’s spine, and when i tuck in my pelvis i am also tucking under their rear, which enables them to get their rear legs underneath to move backwards.
You’re late to the party, Pluvinel. I got some words mixed up in my head. Sometimes I even confuse my lefts and rights. Happily, this does not happen when I’m mounted, because that’s a feeling thing opposed to the abstractions of words.
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Pop down on all fours. Have someone straddle your back so that you are not uncomfortable and their weight is nicely balanced between 2 seat bones and their pubic bone. Then, have them tilt their pelvis so their seat bones are sticking into your back while you try to crawl backwards. Back to neutral, then have them rock slightly forwards with their pelvis, lightening their seat bones while you try to crawl backwards.
Mirroring our horse’s anatomy only goes so far. It’s helpful for giving us a mental image of how to carry our upper torso. Beyond that, not so useful.
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That’s my middle name. I once told a clinician we could be clean or we could be on-time. Obviously I was not a student of George Morris.
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Honestly thought, and I was taught the rein back early, that this was still something taught along with things like steering and stopping.
It’s hard but it’s basic and helps teach forward in away that doesn’t mean fast.
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i’ve given that option to my yoga instructor and he goes for: CLEAN! lol
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That might not have been such a great loss.
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Facts.
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