Remission by Animed Concerns!

[Jackie_amp_Starlette]

Hello,

I emailed Animed trying to get the amount of the ingredients listed on their pdf :

http://www.animedproducts.com/images/Remission_Comparison_06-11_.pdf

And got this surprising and disappointing reply:

Dear Jackie,

The FDA is quite rigid in regulating labeling and product information. Certain information is proprietary and cannot be relayed. The pdf listing is all we can issue. However, there is one error on the listing, AniMed Remission has only 3000 mg per dose of Magnesium instead of the stated 6000.

Thank you, Diana

Diana Toy
AHC Products INC. - ANIMED
301 W. Broadway
Winchester, KY 40391
Phone: 859-737-3441
Fax: 859-737-1143
Email: animed@ahcpinc.com

Now, not only is the dosage on the chart 6,000mg, but on all their packaging, the Smartpak website, and anywhere else I may have seen it. If this is true, and I can’t imagine why the employee would say this if not, this means that Remission is not supplying the product they are advertising or what is on their ingredient list. I plan on calling on the phone tomorrow on the off chance this is a disgruntled employee, but I am still trying to understand how they can do this - she is telling me the FDA has strict regulations, yet their product is half what is listed. And I don’t know why they can’t tell me the quantity of the other ingredients, unless it negligible.

Any thoughts - has anyone heard of this before?

Thanks!

[pattnic]

I think you will find that Ani-Med has some of the most poorly-informed nutritionists you will encounter.

[SuckerForHorses]

Seems like BS to me that they cannot list ingredients because of strict regulations. If anything, I would sya its the opposite and strict regulations woudl mean that they must tell you what the ingredients are, especially if you ASK.

[merrygoround]

Silly me!

But since when did the FDA get into products like this. Remission is not a drug, it is a dietary supplement.

And the use of the words, pdf, unless referring to a proprietary drug formula, also is sort of misleading, as I’m sure the PDF would have no interest in listing the product.

[findeight]

FDA…:lol::lol::lol::lol::D:D:D.
That’s a good one.

The FDA does NOT regulate or test any ingredients in “supplements” or “nutraceuticals”. There is no requirement that they be tested and no need for them to prove any claims that it works. And nobody tests listed ingredients against what is actually in them. Even in human products.

If they call it “food” or a “drug”? Then the FDA gets into the mix. But these are called “supplements” and “nutraceuticals” and guess why that is??? they can put whatever they want in them and say whatever they want about the effects.

On top of that, anybody can call themselves an equine “nutrionist”.

But, repeat…the FDA does NOT regulate these products for animals…or humans in most cases. That is a crook of bull.

[twelvegates]

From Animed’s website

REMISSION is a scientifically engineered blend of supportive natural ingredients with probiotics and a functional carbohydrate (second generation prebiotic).

Nutritional support for horses foundered or prone to the risk of founder. REMISSION contains magnesium, antioxidants, Omega 3 and Omega 6 Fatty Acids and Amino Acids.

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS per ounce (2 scoop): l-Lysine 2150mg, Methionine 3000mg, Linolenic Acid (Omega 3 Fatty Acid) 510mg, Magnesium 6000mg, Selenium 1ppm, Zinc 100mg, Biotin 20mg, Niacin 40mg, Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) 1200mg, Vitamin E 70IU, Total Lactic Acid Bacteria (Probiotics) 175 million CFU

INGREDIENTS: Magnesium Oxide, Flaxseed Meal, Dl-Methionine, Stabilized Rice Bran, l-Lysine, Biotin, Brewers Dried Yeast, Dried Saccharomyces cerevisiae fermentation solubles, Zinc Proteinate, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (Vitamin C), Yeast Extract, Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, Lactobacillus casei fermentation product, Enterococcus (Streptococcus) faecium fermentation product, Bifidobacterium longum fermentation product, Aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, mixed alpha tocopherol acetate (Vitamin E), Flax Seed Oil, Niacin, Silica.

I believe the per ounce information is the loading dose, not the maintenance dose.

[SuckerForHorses]

[QUOTE=vicarious;6180141]
But since when did the FDA get into products like this. Remission is not a drug, it is a dietary supplement.

And the use of the words, pdf, unless referring to a proprietary drug formula, also is sort of misleading, as I’m sure the PDF would have no interest in listing the product.[/QUOTE]

PDF…as in, an Adobe Acrobat document…on the computer. The link she provided was a link to a PDF document.

[elsbet]

I have a question though - are their products good? Do they work?

[hollyhorse2000]

I’ve had my horse on Remission for some months per my very, very good farrier. I can’t say whether it “works” or not, but I can say that my mare is very happy and relaxed these days and I’m beginning to wonder if it’s the magnesium in this. Remission is one of the cheapest things I do for my high-maintenance horse, so I keep using it.

[findeight]

Does it work? It might. It might not.

With no actual testing and any requirement that the label match the contents or list everything that may be in them or that any claims must be substantiated? There is no way to tell for sure.

Know somebody who got involved with a pet food issue. Ran tests on contents and guess what? Did not match what the label said.

[betsyk]

Variation in actual contents acknowledged, we’ve fed Remission to 3 IR horses over the past 5+ years and have seen improvement in physical signs of IR (cresty neck, fat pads, etc) as confirmed by our vet, no recurrence of laminitis, and improved attitude under saddle. While there may have been other lifestyle changes contributing to all of those results, I would say it’s doing something good for our horses. We also saw better results with Remission than with another well known supplement for IR horses, so we switched back to Remission after trying something that was supposed to be “better” and wasn’t.

Back to the OP’s question: if you emailed Coca Cola and asked them for the amount of the ingredients on the label of a can of coke, they wouldn’t tell you, either. I don’t know any food company that would provide the actual recipe for the food in the box, because that information is proprietary, so one company can’t go out and replicate another company’s successful product. They just have to tell you the ingredients in order of weight. That is very likely the comparison the person on the phone was making when they spoke to you, even if they didn’t communicate it very clearly.

[rcloisonne]

Whatever happened to the chromium in Remission? Didn’t this product used to contain 15mg of chromium (or something like that)? At one time it was thought chromium supplementation helped with IR.

I’ll bet the 3g of actual magnesium is correct and the packaging should have said 6g of magnesium oxide (mag ox is approximately 50% magnesium).

Never saw a bit of difference using this product when I had a chronically foundered, IR horse.

[Diamontaire]

as far as concern for the product- I’ve used it om my 19 y.o. QH who foundered in November. Started him on it the first day he looked off. He has a previous history (metabolic and Lyme) and I had gotten lazy about it since he seemed to be doing okay since his last bout in 2006. I feel it really helped this time and he will be on it permanently from now on.

[merrygoround]

[QUOTE=hollyhorse2000;6180355]
I’ve had my horse on Remission for some months per my very, very good farrier. I can’t say whether it “works” or not, but I can say that my mare is very happy and relaxed these days and I’m beginning to wonder if it’s the magnesium in this. Remission is one of the cheapest things I do for my high-maintenance horse, so I keep using it.[/QUOTE]

Now if you said my very, very good veterinarian, I might be impressed. Most vets I know shrug, say it doesn’t hurt, and keeps the client happy. :lol: :lol:

[merrygoround]

[QUOTE=SuckerForHorses;6180294]
PDF…as in, an Adobe Acrobat document…on the computer. The link she provided was a link to a PDF document. :D[/QUOTE]

Sorry got lost in the alphabet, was thinking of the PDR a pharmaceutical reference guide. It wouldn’t waste ink on nutraceuticals.

[Jackie_amp_Starlette]

Well, here is the email back (I did speak with her today). I find it disappointing I can’t get selenium, copper, Vit. E dosages…and will be shopping elsewhere. But at least she explained the dosage amount error. And I like the other goodies. And how would my vet know what they have in their “hidden” ingredient quantities? It’s not like I asked for anything other manufacturers show.

Dear Jackie,

Thank you for being a valued AHC/AniMed consumer. We are extremely proud of our product line and back it 100%. Remission is one of our more popular and requested products. As I related earlier in our phone conversation, I am relatively new in this position and am striving to become increasingly knowledgeable regarding all aspects of our products. AniMed Remission has 6000mg per ounce as related on the label, BUT, the scoop size (tablespoon) would only be 3000mg. Please excuse the misunderstanding on my part.

We are always conscious of producing the best product available and to enlightening the consumer as much as regulations will allow. However, as stated to you earlier, certain product information is of a proprietary nature and cannot be discussed. We at AniMed understand your concerns and always highly recommend that you consult with your veterinarian regarding any questions related to a product. They are in a position to discuss “off-label” information with you.

It is our commitment to our consumers to produce the highest quality of products available and to meet their satisfaction. AniMed Remission is an excellent product but perhaps it does not meet with your 100% satisfaction. Please feel free to return the product along with your mailing information and copy of your receipt for a Full Refund. We always honor our 100% commitment to satisfaction.

Thank you again for your consumerism and if we can be of any further assistance, please contact us via phone or e-mail.

Sincerely

Diana Toy
AHC Products INC. - ANIMED
301 W. Broadway
Winchester, KY 40391
Phone: 859-737-3441
Fax: 859-737-1143
Email: animed@ahcpinc.com

[Jackie_amp_Starlette]

Oh, and I was asking how much copper, selenium, vit. E as I supplement those separately, and don’t want to overdose. I can find how much of each on other supplements, I am surprised they just won’t tell me how much is in theirs. It’s not like I was asking their mix, just more info on the “yes” ingredients on the .pdf

[Macimage]

I notice she did not retract her previous statement that they are regulated by the FDA.

[JB]

@findeight;6180246

The FDA does NOT regulate or test any ingredients in “supplements” or “nutraceuticals”. There is no requirement that they be tested and no need for them to prove any claims that it works. And nobody tests listed ingredients against what is actually in them. Even in human products.

However, a product can NOT make any claims to prevent or cure anything without incurring raised eyebrows of the FDA because at that point they put themselves into the drug category.

I like Remission well enough, but won’t use it as a Mg supplement because of the Se. If I’m using Mg, I want to be able to go as high as potentially 25mg of it, and you can’t do that without likely adding way too much Se

[Jackie_amp_Starlette]

Yes but how much SE is really in Remission when they won’t tell you? That’s my point…