Reputable GSD Breeder recs?

I have perused old threads but thought I would start a new one for any recommendations. After a few rescue dogs we have decided that we would like to get a purebred GSD puppy this time around. I had Shepherds as a kid and having been in the rescue world most recently I don’t know where to start with breeders. I do, however, want to make sure I go with someone reputable. I know COTH can point me in the right direction!

I am most interested in the German lines. Pet quality is ok. We do live on a farm, but dog wouldn’t exactly be working. Mid-Atlantic area and willing to drive, but not interested in having a puppy shipped.

ETA that we are wanting to avoid the sloped hind end and that seems to point me more in the direction of the working lines. I know I have research to do!

How far are you willing to travel? My parents have a 14 week old GSD puppy from German working(both parents IPO titled)/show lines, and his breeders are in Indiana. Very confident, laid back puppy who seems to really take whatever life throws at him in stride. Their pup’s role is to be a companion/farm dog, as well, and I think he’ll do well in that job. Their pup’s topline does slope some, but definitely not as much as I’ve seen in many GSD pups. Let me know if you’re interested in the breeder’s website - they might even know of litters closer to you if IN is too far to travel.

First priority would be to make sure any breeder you check into, does ALL appropriate health testing, ask for proof & look up their dogs on the OFA site. Don’t just take their word for it.
Second would be to look at breeders that have past puppies doing things that you’d like your pup to do.
Third, hopefully the breeder trains, titles, or certifies her breeding stock in at least some type of venue to prove they are temperamentally sound.
Make sure to google the breeder & their kennel name. Chances are you’ll find something on the web about them. Hopefully it’ll be mostly all good :slight_smile:

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Gosh it ended up being an incredibly busy weekend, so I’m only now circling back around to this. Thank you all for your recommendations and insight.

Can those of you who are more knowledgeable speak to the sloping hind ends vs the reached backs that CindyB59 mentioned (your dog is beautiful, by the way)? Of course the first priority is for the dog to be healthy and sound, but we aren’t a fan of the look of that super sloped back that I sometimes see. I’ll certainly make sure that we do our own due diligence with verifying health testing.

I have a friend who loves Rosehall Shepherds in Tennessee. They breed old fashioned straight backed Gods I’ve known several other dogs and they’re very calm and well tempered and handsome

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gSDs. Not gods. I hate auto correct

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Many years ago my Aunt got 2 dogs from von Donnerwetter German Shepherds in West Chester. They were both very nice tempered and healthy dogs. At this point it has been so long I don’t remember what if any testing she had done on her breeding dogs. The breeder is getting up there in age and I don’t know if she is still breeding GSDs. I can’t find an active website for her. She runs an agility group, Flexible Flyers in Honeybrook PA, and you can contact her through that page. At very least she can give you recommendations on what breeders to look at and who to avoid. Mary Lou used to ride horses at one point.

Sorry to piggback on to this thread, but I’m looking for the same thing in Ohio as the OP - thanks in advance!

Hmmm they use a lot of buzz words on their website, but digging a bit deeper & I wouldn’t recommend them to anyone. Each to their own I guess…

Linda Shaw has done many articles & illustrations on GSD conformation, good & bad.
Here are a few articles that are good reads.
http://www.vtgsd.com/publicgsdfiles/The-Illustrated-Standard-for-the-German-Shepherd-Dog.pdf
http://www.workingdogs.com/lshaw1.htm
http://www.gsscc.ca/the-german-shepherd/articles-by-linda-shaw/movement-of-the-working-dog.aspx
http://www.gsscc.ca/the-german-shepherd/articles-by-linda-shaw/conformation-of-the-working-dog.aspx

Although many people think the “slope” comes from the back, it actually comes from the length & angles of the hindquaters/legs.
Many American show line GSD are bred to have extreme angles, which mean a more dramatic slope to their back when stacked.
The roach back (which is in the wither area) has become more prevalent in the German show lines.

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http://www.vonwyndmoor.com/

My daughter works for them in the boarding kennel side of the business which is how I know them. Jim is a bit gruff but really cares for his dogs and ensures that they all go to quality homes.

Roached, not reached. Sorry…typo.

Sometimes it’s tough to tell the difference :wink:

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OP, are you set on a puppy? There are some very good GSD rescue/rehome groups out there. Lots of GSDs wind up in shelters at 2-3 years of age when they get to be too much for inexperienced owners, then they get snapped up by the rescues.

Bonus to adopting an adult dog is you have a pretty good idea of what temperament you’re going to get, and the dog has usually been in a foster situation so you have some idea of personality and you usually have some basic training on the beast as well.

I totally get why someone would want to start with a puppy, but if it’s not a deal-breaker you can find a really nice pet GSD through a rescue group.

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I broke all the rules when I got my last gsd. I didnt want a cripple from the akc show lines and I didn’t want insane drive from the working lines. I found a small new breeder on the akc puppy finder. It was pure luck. No ofa or testing but the pups were born and raised in the house. They had both parents and the pics looked good and they were only 1 hr away and only asking $800. Turned out that both parents looked great and had wonderful outgoing stable temperments. The breeder was not crazy had a sensible contract. That was a little over a year ago. People stop me on the street to tell me how beautiful my dog is and he has the temperament to match. He has enough drive to make him easy to train but has an off switch.

If you do your research, and are willing to walk away if it doesnt feel right, you might just find a needle in the hay stack. Good luck!

Argh. Sorry but if you didn’t want a cripple why would you buy a puppy whose parents had no OFA evaluations? :no:

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Delurking to suggest that you also trot over to and post your question on the GSD forum: www.germanshepherds.com. Lots of knowledgeable breeders and fanciers there, forum membership is literally worldwide and you can get recs for good breeders near you. Admittedly, there seems to be something of a bias in favor of working rather than showlines, but (!) the knowledgeable folks will point out that it comes down to the individual dog rather than the lines, per se, and that good breeders will try to match a puppy to your choices, plans, and lifestyle.

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What buzz words? Why won’t you recommend Rosehall Shepherds in Tennessee? Be specific. I’ve been to their website, and saw nothing that should alarm anyone. Their German Shepherds appear to be fine dogs… just what I’m looking for.

I have a German Shepherd that is over 13 yrs old, so I’m planning on buying a GSD in the near future, and I’m considering Rosehall as a possibility because I don’t want to buy a sloped back GSD. I won’t write Rosehall off because of a vague and unspecified reason.

This is an old thread, but I took a look at Rosehall Shepherds’ website out of curiosity.

I’m sure they’re nice people and nice dogs, but I wouldn’t travel to buy from them for a few reasons, myself. They spend a lot of time talking about money - how to pay for the dogs, what the dogs cost, what’s entailed with the guarantee, etc. They also have a fairly extensive section about genetic disease that boils down to if the buyer wants to do all the expensive testing to prove their puppy has genetic bad elbows, hips, spine, etc they’ll give a refund for certain issues, or give out a new pup for others, but specify you need to euthanize the deformed one. And that’s only for crippling dysplasia, they claim mild dysplasia isn’t a problem. It comes off to me as they don’t want to spend the money to test their animals, so they’ll let buyers do that for them. The males have details like, “OFA Good” listed, but not specifically which joints, and none of the females have any sort of health testing annotations.

I dunno, I just don’t really like that attitude and especially to have it plastered right out there on the internet for all to see :woman_shrugging: I also don’t personally care for folks that reiterate and make a big deal out of, “straight-backed old fashioned GSDs,” it makes me think they don’t know what they’re talking about. A serious breeder knows that the slope of the back is something that only looks so extreme when they’re stacked for show.

For a pet they’re probably fine, I just would probably keep looking first.

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Working lines are going to be more “straight backed” - Amercian Show Lines have a more recognizable “sloped back”. That said, it’s all very misleading information and, frankly, garbage. I vehemently would not support any breeder advertising “straight back german shepherds.” The breed standard across the board involves angulation when properly stacked. When stacked, there absolutely should be some slope.

West German lines are the most traditional - that’s where the breed originated. They have a mild slope and medium to high drive. A great choice for someone who is looking for a watchful family dog who is either committed to working with a trainer or has breed experience.

Czech/DDR has less slope, high to very high drive. Czech lines are generally more refined than DDR. Czech lines date back to the herding working line. DDR was carefully cultivated as strong, protective instincts. A true working Czech/DDR is hard to come by and is not for the faint of heart or ill committed owner.

American bred generally have less drive, whether that be Show Lines, King, Shiloh etc. Many King/Shiloh breeders incorporate European lines in their program for size and stature and in an effort to correct some of the dramatic conformational distortions of the Show Line.

It is very, very hard to source a really, truly well bred GSD. Most reputable breeders import as their foundation and grow their program from there. There is a close knit community committed to preserving the origin of the breed in the States. If you’re looking at a true working dog, the kennel better have some titles to stand on.

It’s not as hard to source a really, truly GOOD GSD, 99% of people do not need working drive - my non negotiables are OFA hips/elbows, DM and hemophilia.

All that being said, I currently have five…

  1. Czech, petite, careful, lots of self preservation, the best dog that ever walked this earth, perfect in everyway. She turned 13 in April and is going strong!

  2. AKC registered American Show Lines, the world’s best craigslist find, guard dog extraordinaire, painfully attached to her peoples, confuses herself with Tigger, has no self preservation. She’s going on 8 and has had no issues with her roached back/slope.

  3. European GSD concoction, pretty low drive, until she smells something dead and rotting. She has the most beautiful brain. I spent a lot of time with her as a puppy and she has all her TDI certs. Very unapologetically b*tchy. She always carries herself like a lady. Four and aging like fine wine. Lives for cheese and her momma.

  4. Comes from same breeder as #3 - medium to high drive. Hasn’t met a possum she didn’t want to eat. Has never had a bad day in her life. She was put on this earthly world to spread joy. Smart. Lady of the night - God forbid i forget to put her collar on after dark, she gone. Identifies as the Hussain Bolt of the hippopotami. Momma’s girl until dad comes around because he’s the fun guy and there are no rules. Only 2, so the brain has just started to develop.

  5. Was a bit of a rescue. I got her for free but luckily she came with her papers. I was able to contact her original breeder who vetted me pretty heavy (rightfully so) and though I offered to return her, she gifted her to me. Beautifully bred DDR on both sides. She comes from a carefully curated breeding program I would recommend to anyone looking for a service dog. HIGH DRIVE - not prey drive, but girlfriend needs a job otherwise the devil wins every time. She’s probably the smartest animal I’ve ever had in my possession but was unfortunately never watered to grow. She was left to her own devices so we’re working on some behavioral issues that developed purely out of fear/survival. Has the attention span of a gnat unless there are bum scritches involved. Pick me girl 110%. All bark, like a lot of bark. Very sus of the feline species. Humble. Has grown very fond of rolling in dead rodents. She’s only just turned one, and I literally picked her up last week while my very tolerant BF is traveling for work. Girl’s life is just starting, and it’s gonna be a good one.

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