I just ate 2 sleeves of Graham Crackers reading this… :winkgrin:
WOW is all I can say…SO SAD…I did share the post on my Facebook page…
DO THE RIGHT THING R.S. and let rapazzini know where she is…GET THIS FILLY HOME with her REAL MOMMA…SORRY…I guess I am in a sugar coma and just realized that THIS filly is NOT THE SAME one as the stolen one… SORRY…
I do know that if you write a hot check to the USEF they suspend you…so I guess she DOES know who NEEDS to be paid 
SH:)
[QUOTE=Mardi;6333380]
When it gets embarassing enough for USEF, they’ll take action.[/QUOTE]
You clearly don’t understand USEF rules.
She has not violated a single USEF rule and I’d bet nobody has even filed a protest or a charge.
Any reason why you think they’d do anything or is that just wishful thinking or an uneducated guess?
I just ate 2 sleeves of Graham Crackers reading this…
LOOOL no kidding.
I hope the original poster gets her filly.
I hope everyone who is owed something by the accused gets what they lost.
I hope everyone posting on this realizes the difference between letting everyone know what kind if business the accused is accused of, and drama. Because this seems like a serious situation. Serious situations mean a lot less of those stupid 
that are on this thread.
If you want this to be taken seriously, treat it as such. The accused seems to be incriminating herself… this thread is doing harm and good. Good because it’s bringing light into her business, and harm because there is just too much drama and bs. Post the facts and i think everyone will get what’s due. It is afterall, a bulletin board where anyone can post what they please.
[QUOTE=wanderlust;6333509]
They were, and they defended her at the time.
rocksolid appears to be: http://rocksolidstables.com/
It’s up to them who they do business with, but as I said on an earlier post, why anyone would do business with someone who stiffed John French (as well as Perfect Peter Pletcher) to the point where he had to get a judgement, and then ARREST WARRANT when they still didn’t pay, is quite beyond me.[/QUOTE]
More clueless nonsense.
I think Junior showed two of her horses at ONE SHOW.
In fact very few horses belonging to JB have shown this year.
The horses that are contributing to her leading breeder status are owned by others. So do you think horses not owned by her should be allowed to get points or is this just a bit of high school girls being jealous?
[QUOTE=veetiepony;6333615]
It is afterall, a bulletin board where anyone can post what they please.[/QUOTE]
True! And the sleuths of COTH are very good at ferreting out fact from fiction.
Joanne - the internet searches they did on “roy parker”? Most (i believe) think that this is an alter or close friend… so why would they post in their real name?
Why waste time rifling through google when you claim it to be an alter name?
To help original poster it seems like it needs to stay on topic.
According to show results, Jr. Johnson handled 2 horses for GFF at the Northern Winter Classic show at Rancho Murieta, February 8, 2012: Remember When and Rasberry Beret.
[QUOTE=wanderlust;6333509]
They were, and they defended her at the time.
rocksolid appears to be: http://rocksolidstables.com/
It’s up to them who they do business with, but as I said on an earlier post, why anyone would do business with someone who stiffed John French (as well as Perfect Peter Pletcher) to the point where he had to get a judgement, and then ARREST WARRANT when they still didn’t pay, is quite beyond me.[/QUOTE]
Not directed at WL,
I know this quote was in response to someone asking who Rocksolid was, but they only have 110 posts. I’m just saying they may not follow all the COTH threads.
I’m certain professionals perform due diligence to varying degrees so if the most recent was a trainer in VA, not having issues and getting paid, not everyone would keep digging. Especially when the recent VA trainer is well known and well respected in HB. I can’t see it being a flagrant “eff you” to PP or anyone else.
I hope this issue gets resolved.
[QUOTE=S A McKee;6333590]
You clearly don’t understand USEF rules.
She has not violated a single USEF rule and I’d bet nobody has even filed a protest or a charge.
Any reason why you think they’d do anything or is that just wishful thinking or an uneducated guess?[/QUOTE]
As someone very famous once said: “You don’t have to be so snippy about it.”
So, here we go:
I understand USEF rules, and admit I don’t know them all. If I have a specific question or need clarification, I look it up in the rule book.
You sound very assured that she hasn’t violated any rules. It’s hard to tell if that’s your opinion, or it’s based on fact. For me, I can’t say if she has or hasn’t, because I don’t have first hand knowledge on how she runs her business.
The reason I believe that USEF will eventually take action is that this debacle has unearthed serious flaws in their record keeping system, awards recognition program, and their goal of “fair play”. At the very least, it screams for USEF to finally implement the UELN program (Universal Equine Life Number).
Not to mention the public relations nightmare they’re going through since their Leading Hunter Breeding Breeder has a warrant for her arrest (which involves one of their professional members).
BTW, what’s your opinion on the situation as described by the OP ?
Rapture - dam UNKNOWN???
Who bred Rendition?
[QUOTE=TWF;6333904]
Rapture - dam UNKNOWN???
Who bred Rendition?[/QUOTE]
GFF has claimed a number of foals they haven’t bred.
I know she didn’t breed one of Grand Affair’s babies.:eek:
I recently questioned Ken Ball about this…Precisely the issue of who is the BREEDER The registry papers can define the breeder if they apply but otherwise…good luck changing a “fabrication” without a Court order.
So as a horse is RECORDED & I swear the information is true…I never have to prove a thing??
Sire?
Dam?
Breed?
Breeder?
Age?
Previous record?
Dont’ get me started!!! I hafta ask…
What happens when someone lies about the recording of a horse??
[QUOTE=Mardi;6333871]
As someone very famous once said: “You don’t have to be so snippy about it.”
So, here we go:
I understand USEF rules, and admit I don’t know them all. If I have a specific question or need clarification, I look it up in the rule book.
You sound very assured that she hasn’t violated any rules. It’s hard to tell if that’s your opinion, or it’s based on fact. For me, I can’t say if she has or hasn’t, because I don’t have first hand knowledge on how she runs her business.
The reason I believe that USEF will eventually take action is that this debacle has unearthed serious flaws in their record keeping system, awards recognition program, and their goal of “fair play”. At the very least, it screams for USEF to finally implement the UELN program (Universal Equine Life Number).
Not to mention the public relations nightmare they’re going through since their Leading Hunter Breeding Breeder has a warrant for her arrest (which involves one of their professional members).
BTW, what’s your opinion on the situation as described by the OP ?[/QUOTE]
What rule do you think she violated?
And if you think there was a rule violation then put your money where your mouth is and file a protest.
The problem with that is you need to be at she show where JB is showing and in case the lynch mob hasn’t noticed she isn’t showing much.
Also USEF’s records are a points based system. Has nothing to do with Fair Play. It’s who has the most points. And LMAO another way to bring in UELN. Never happen. Too many horses would be prevented from showing.
They really don’t care what JB does or doesn’t do as long as she doesn’t break a USEF rule or have a criminal conviction for some of the charges I’ve already mentioned.
Why would you think USEF cares how she runs her business.
If that was the case many of the BNT trainers would be in trouble with USEF.
However,USEF has suspended people for making threats against other exhibitors and many of you ( and that includes you Mardi) are really close to the line on that issue.
You need to read the Ted Stevens Act regarding preventing athletes from competing. And the USEF Bylaws.
For two reasons. One the right to compete. Two so you will understand what the NGB’s role is. And I’ll give you a clue, it has nothing to do with breeding and silly UELN numbers.
The warrants against her are YEARS old. Never bothered USEF. Never bothered anybody on here till recently. and yet many of you still do business with her.
I suspect there is a whole different side to this story. Like how come there are Old NA papers in JB’s name ? Who paid the stud fees? Or were they paid? Very often someone comes on this board and makes up a story with the other party not being present to refute it. Amd all the ‘gang’ jumps on and posts stupid stuff without any basis in fact. For example, the horse in question hasn’t ever shown. Yet people are asking how did JB have the money for entry fees.
If I owned one of her stallions offspring and that horse was winning I’d be wondering what recourse I had against many of the people on this board because you are lowering the value of every horse she bred. And some of you even own horse by her stallion. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot !!
Rendition
DOB: June 28, 2011
Redwine- Itzy Doll/ Idol
GORGEOUS bay filly. Very athletic and talented.
SOLD. Has been renamed “Rapture”.
If you present her papers…the record can be corrected. GFF isn’t the breeder and she has a DAM
It just makes me sick to see breeders and sporthorse bloodlines treated like they have no value.
S A McKee, I agree that none of the OP’s problems in collecting payment on a horse sold to JB, where payment was both made in bounced checks and then simply ignored, where the OP was told she could not repossess her horse because the horse was off at a trainers (at one year, and still has no show record), has a thing to do with USEF jurisdiction.
However, those of us who have battled JB’s lies, coverups, and fraud absolutely will come to the aid, at least with advice and support, of other of her “victims”. It would be shameful to do otherwise, whether or not the value of our horses by her stallions is diminished. In doing this, we have saved new clients from facing the same problems with her. It is simply the “right thing to do”. Any horses involved in this will have to be judged on their own merits.
It occurs to me that by writing hot checks to the IHF, GOV, AHS, by not paying Silvercreek, Peter Pletcher (though I understand he was paid with a horse), John French, suppliers, and sellers, Ms. Burnell herself is lowering the value of her stallions and their get significantly as her own reputation is lowered.
So do I understand this correctly…JB is collecting USEF points from the filly Rapture, which contribute to her current leading hunter breeder standing…even though she has erroneously recorded herself as the breeder. I would think that the USEF might have a problem with that??
[QUOTE=Coppertop;6334011]
So do I understand this correctly…JB is collecting USEF points from the filly Rapture, which contribute to her current leading hunter breeder standing…even though she has erroneously recorded herself as the breeder. I would think that the USEF might have a problem with that??[/QUOTE]
Most likely but of the people who have complained on here including the stolen filly’s owner and the legitimate breeder and seller of Rapture. Who is going to do something about it ?
It is nice that COTH can help spread the word and ferret out sneaky Petes but its all worthless if nobody does anything but complain here.
Coppertop, that may be able to be changed by simply sending in a correction to USEF by the correct breeder.
Thank goodness I don’t have a dog in this fight but I have to chime in & say that if someone else took credit for having bred one of my horses I’d be one pissed off white girl! I would absolutely do something about it.
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