*RESOLVED* "stolen filly.....i need help!"

[runwayz]

“If I owned one of her stallions offspring and that horse was winning I’d be wondering what recourse I had against many of the people on this board because you are lowering the value of every horse she bred. And some of you even own horse by her stallion. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot !!” Originally posted by SA McKee…

I don’t think this is true at all. The foals are quite lovely, I even have one. This has nothing to do with thier value. There may even be a liquidation sale on some soon!

[wanderlust]

@S A McKee;6333637

More clueless nonsense.

I think Junior showed two of her horses at ONE SHOW.
In fact very few horses belonging to JB have shown this year.

Well, bless your heart S A McKee. That’s pretty funny, since you specifically noted right here, directed at lauriep, that JB was their client:

http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6143435#post6143435

Originally Posted by S A McKee
How about all the FACTS ??
Like the fact that Jill is your client??
But you carry on with your bad self.

[ldaziens]

not a lawyer, but you REALLY need to get a court order / injunction / whatever it is called to stop her from selling your filly until your case is heard in court.

What a mess! I actually have a migraine from reading through this - wow!

I will say, having worked at a couple of places that went under, that in both instances the company started trying to take in as much money as possible as quickly as possible while being very selective about what vendors were paid, paying them as late as possible, etc. I would expect this person to be coming up with all kinds of creative and fraudulent ways to bring in cash now – taking deposits from multiple people for the same horse or future foal, offering big discounts if you pay her now. Word definitely needs to be spread and, as another poster mentioned, the victims need to come together to file suit ASAP. So sad.

[alexandra]

Well about the filly with the wrong pedigree/breeder in USEF Database:

If Co-Competitors check the Rules of USEF and find out what is the procedure to report something that is wrong.

How would you prove the pedigree to USEF ? And what would they accept as proof ? If I were the breeder or the breeder second in Ranking I would sure check the full rule book and than write a complaint about that !

Only if something dramatical is happening with JB in the middle of publicity, this can stop.
On the other hand to destroy her completely is also not helping those that still get money ! Sometimes it is better to have someone go on with his/her business so that at least a few people get paid !

I have a frined who signed obligations in the name of his girlfriend. Girlfriend “forgot” to pay and now the debtors were after him. The person executing this collections saw that this friend was trying his very best to work and earn money to get out of this situation. The collector did the following: when he had a new thing on his desk that he had to collect money he called the frined and told him about it and postponed his visit a few days. Not legal, but if he would have gone to my friend and would not get money he had to start with some legal actions that would have stopped my friend from earning money. Bottomline; this was not fullylegal, but friend could go on with life and in the end finish with the pay off. Good for all parties. But basic difference here: My friend did not cheat anyone and started to work in an honest way to solve the situation.
It is the middle of breeding season - I mean let the stallions of GFF do their business and have her send out semen as much as possible. The stallions are really nice, offspring is nice - so that should start to pay off something !
Friends of her should persuade her to give the stallions for collecting etc. to someone else, so that people are confident they get their semen and may come back breeding in bigger numbers.

Well there are many ways to solve at least part of it, but one needs to want to go them. And the one in this picture is JB ! And I guess she is so deep in mess she doesn’t even know where to start. and try to get as much money on her hands as possible…

[skydy]

[QUOTE=alexandra;6334163]
Well about the filly with the wrong pedigree/breeder in USEF Database:

If Co-Competitors check the Rules of USEF and find out what is the procedure to report something that is wrong.

How would you prove the pedigree to USEF ? And what would they accept as proof ? If I were the breeder or the breeder second in Ranking I would sure check the full rule book and than write a complaint about that !

Only if something dramatical is happening with JB in the middle of publicity, this can stop.
On the other hand to destroy her completely is also not helping those that still get money ! Sometimes it is better to have someone go on with his/her business so that at least a few people get paid !

I have a frined who signed obligations in the name of his girlfriend. Girlfriend “forgot” to pay and now the debtors were after him. The person executing this collections saw that this friend was trying his very best to work and earn money to get out of this situation. The collector did the following: when he had a new thing on his desk that he had to collect money he called the frined and told him about it and postponed his visit a few days. Not legal, but if he would have gone to my friend and would not get money he had to start with some legal actions that would have stopped my friend from earning money. Bottomline; this was not fullylegal, but friend could go on with life and in the end finish with the pay off. Good for all parties. But basic difference here: My friend did not cheat anyone and started to work in an honest way to solve the situation.
It is the middle of breeding season - I mean let the stallions of GFF do their business and have her send out semen as much as possible. The stallions are really nice, offspring is nice - so that should start to pay off something !
Friends of her should persuade her to give the stallions for collecting etc. to someone else, so that people are confident they get their semen and may come back breeding in bigger numbers.

Well there are many ways to solve at least part of it, but one needs to want to go them. And the one in this picture is JB ! And I guess she is so deep in mess she doesn’t even know where to start. and try to get as much money on her hands as possible…[/QUOTE]

No one is trying to “destroy her completely”. She is destroying herself, and her reputation, and defrauding people.

So, let her go on cheating people so she can pay off SOME of her obligations with the money she has stolen from others?

[Prime_Time_Rider]

[QUOTE=S A McKee;6333930]

They really don’t care what JB does or doesn’t do as long as she doesn’t break a USEF rule or have a criminal conviction for some of the charges I’ve already mentioned.
Why would you think USEF cares how she runs her business.
If that was the case many of the BNT trainers would be in trouble with USEF.

If I owned one of her stallions offspring and that horse was winning I’d be wondering what recourse I had against many of the people on this board because you are lowering the value of every horse she bred. And some of you even own horse by her stallion. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot !![/QUOTE]

You’re right that the USEF doesn’t care as long as JB (or anyone else) does or doesn’t violate a USEF rule. Write a bad check to show management and you’re suspended, but writing a bad check or checks to anyone else in the horse industry isn’t governed by USEF.

I fail to see how bringing to light JB’s apparent dishonest/unethical business practices diminishes the value of every horse she bred. No one is disputing the quality of her stallions, they are questioning her business practices. If you own a nice foal by one of JB’s stallions, how does her business practices diminish the value of your foal? I think the OP and others who have posted on this board are doing the hunter breeding community a service by alerting unsuspecting people of this breeder’s history of unethical business practices.

[skydy]

[QUOTE=S A McKee;6333930]

If I owned one of her stallions offspring and that horse was winning I’d be wondering what recourse I had against many of the people on this board because you are lowering the value of every horse she bred. And some of you even own horse by her stallion. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot !![/QUOTE]

Well you’d be wondering 'till the cows came home because, you, would have no “recourse” against any of the people on this board for “lowering the value” of any horse she bred (or dishonestly claimed to have bred which seems to be another issue).

Are you just cranky today? You are reminding me of dragonharte8/spirithorse…:lol:

[TWF]

WHERE IS RAVEN RIDGE???

@rapazzini09;6322437

Hi Everyone,

I have found myself in an unfortunate circumstance and am looking for as much advice as possible…here is goes:

I am wondering what else i can do. I do not want to cause more drama or play the blame game. Really, all i want is my horse back safely and in good health. What i am worried about mostly is my yearling ending up in the hands of another person who was unaware of the circumstances and being caught in the middle.
She has no right to sell the filly, yet has posted her sale add on not only her personal website, but also on warmblood.com, dream horse, equine now, and youtube. Selling her is illegal, and i wish for the breeders sake she realizes it before she does sell as that would be a FELONY! I played nice, and that got me no where. Im not playing mean now, i’m just playing fair. I have notified all outside sources/websites she is using to market my filly for sale that indeed the horse she is claiming as her own is not her and is in fact STOLEN. They will be removing the adds that the breeder has placed for my filly.

What is there left to do? What would you all do if you were in my situation? ANY and ALL advice is greatly appreciated!

OP please file a missing horse report here… http://www.netposse.com/default.asp

Okay… now we need to focus on finding this filly and getting her back to the owner.

I wrote to BigEQ and plan to write to all the other sites and so should everyone else too! Take time today! Get the word out on other BBs.

I personally had a horse sold to another person who :eek: "couldn’t believe her “luck” finding one of my homebreds for such a price!!! "
It was civil. Stealing a used bike would have been more of a crime!
I never laid eyes on my horse again.
[INDENT] Please keep ASKING…Where is the filly???

http://www.bigeq.com/p-Raven_Ridge-Oldenburg-Hunter-10137.php
[/INDENT]
JB has dug her own grave. Get the word out and keep your fraud radar UP!

Yes, I bred my mares to GFF stallions…they stand on their own merit and not on JB /GFF’s reputation!

[ise]

IF - big IF - GFF was selling to use the money to get herself out of the place she’s in right now - SHE WOULD NOT BE BUYING/LEASING MORE MARES. That for me is the telling issue about her actions. She’s just churning and churning and going in deeper. That is not the actions of a person who is responsible and seeking to remedy the situation AND protect the horses - whether they belong to her or her clients.

[Noms]

[QUOTE=ise@ssl;6334317]
IF - big IF - GFF was selling to use the money to get herself out of the place she’s in right now - SHE WOULD NOT BE BUYING/LEASING MORE MARES. That for me is the telling issue about her actions. She’s just churning and churning and going in deeper. That is not the actions of a person who is responsible and seeking to remedy the situation AND protect the horses - whether they belong to her or her clients.[/QUOTE]

AND seems strange that the only one buying Redwine foals these days is JB:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[EquusMagnificus]

:no:

Her threats to sue are not the telltale sign of someone feeling repentant and willing to do good by her creditors or clients or others.

:no:

[Laurierace]

I had an insanely good offer for my Redwine filly and it wasn’t from JB. I turned it down for now but am happy to know that the value is there if I need to sell. Horseman know a good horse when they see one, the rest doesn’t matter.

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=Noms;6334561]
AND seems strange that the only one buying Redwine foals these days is JB:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:[/QUOTE]

I thought the act of “buying” something included “paying for it”.

[Mardi]

@S A McKee;6333930

What rule do you think she violated?
And if you think there was a rule violation then put your money where your mouth is and file a protest. …

…USEF has suspended people for making threats against other exhibitors and many of you ( and that includes you Mardi) are really close to the line on that issue. …

…The warrants against her are YEARS old. Never bothered USEF. Never bothered anybody on here till recently. and yet many of you still do business with her.

Are you really asking me what rule I think she violated ?
Please re-read my earlier post that you are referencing. Perhaps you misunderstood, so here it is again. I said:
“2. You [SA McKee] sound very assured that she hasn’t violated any rules. It’s hard to tell if that’s your opinion, or it’s based on fact. For me, I can’t say if she has or hasn’t, because I don’t have first hand knowledge on how she runs her business.”

As far as threats, please let me know - verbatim - what threats I have made against Jill Burnell or Gray Fox Farms. I’m not aware of any.

But this comment was most telling of all: the warrants “never bothered anybody.” Your blatant disregard for the law is remarkable.

[Mardi]

just wondering…

Anyone have any ideas on who “the trainer” could be where Raven Ridge was supposedly housed when the OP went to pick her up ?

Somebody out there knows something…hopefully they’ll come forward.

[Kryzlstoff]

WOW. I feel so sorry for the OP, and I hope things get sorted out with your filly!! I read the whole thread, and I must say I am sick.

I also posted on my FB, and I think we all should. The link/pics/message is on page 8 of this thread (I think post #149)- copy and paste it! If I were in the OP’s position, I am sure I’d want all the help I could get!

Jingles that your filly gets returned to you!!

[Lord_Helpus]

I recommend that everyone who has a legal complaint against JB file a lawsuit against her.

Yes, attorneys are expensive, but California has made it fairly easy to file “In Pro Per” (acting as your own attorney).

There are Complaint forms where you check the boxes and write a short note explaining your issue. Then you file it with the County Clerk and have her served.

I am sure that the value of the OP’s foal is in excess of small claims court, but the forms can also be filed in municipal court (which is the appropriate forum for these claims).

At least other people who check for legal actions against her will be warned. And, if you want to proceed, you can either continue to represent yourself or hire an attorney at that time.

Breach of an oral agreement only has a 2 year statute of limitations (breach of a written contract is a 4 year s/l). So you need to protect your rights by filing within the appropriate time frame.

This is the most effective way to warn other people who might be leery of doing business with her.

[216_Jumper]

[QUOTE=Mardi;6334764]
Anyone have any ideas on who “the trainer” could be where Raven Ridge was supposedly housed when the OP went to pick her up ?

Somebody out there knows something…hopefully they’ll come forward.[/QUOTE]

A large number of her horses are stabled at the farm across the street from her ranch.

This morning were the hunter breeding classes at the show at Leone but the only entries were all Sue Lightners.

[Lynnwood]

[QUOTE=Mardi;6334764]
Anyone have any ideas on who “the trainer” could be where Raven Ridge was supposedly housed when the OP went to pick her up ?

Somebody out there knows something…hopefully they’ll come forward.[/QUOTE]

Well the most recent videos of the filly from may 17th she most certainly is @ JB’s and my guess is that she was there then. JB did not permit the OP onto the property long enough to look around much. She very well could have been there just not in plain sight.

[Quinn]

Why is this woman not in jail??? If so many people are aware of her illegal activity, how has she avoided prosecution??? I don’t get it.

http://community.webshots.com/user/ballyduff