*RESOLVED* "stolen filly.....i need help!"

[dianehalpin]

Hackinaround and Laurierace, I think that “Roy’s/Jill’s” comments were directed at me, the small breeder! I’ve foaled out/raised 8 here over 6 years and have produced, horse by horse, from foalhood:

1. Hanoverian Jumper Breeding Program Elite Mare Candidate, also National Res. Ch. USEA Future Event Horse (07), USDF Reg. 1 High Score 3 yr old Mare (DSHB) (07), Res. Ch. AHS Hunter Breeding Year End Winner, two time DSHB Qualifier for Reg. Championships, Hanoverian High Score Winner USDF Show. Now this mare is an Elite Han. show jumping AA show champion (HITS Ocala '12) successfully jumping L. 5 & 6.

2. Hanoverian Res. Ch. Hunter Breeding (08), National Champion Future Event Horse Yearling, also high ribbons in USDF Sport Horse Breeding. Now this gelding is a many times AA show hunter champion currently winning in the Pregreens.

3. USEF National Hunter Breeding 4th ranked Yearling (09), USEF National Hunter Breeding 3rd ranked Two Yr Old ('10), two time Sallie B. Wheeler winner of his age class, IHF class winner, many BYH awards, winner at Devon, AHS Champion in HB, was just Res. Ch. Young Hunter at Upperville and still owned and being developed by me.

4. USEA Future Event Horse National Two Year Old Filly (East), also hunter breeding placements, now sold and showing in the hunters.

5. Yearling filly just beginning her hunter breeding career with good placements at Keswick and Upperville in her first two shows.

6. The others sold as babies and are in good homes that will develop them.

The 1. through 5. horses have been developed and shown by me before going under saddle.

Prior to this I showed APHA horses with national rankings in USDF, two-time USCTA (now USEA) Horse of the Year, USEF (then AHSA) Zone Champion at Training Level Eventing, #2 USEA Rider, #5 USEA Horse, multiple APHA Superiors & ROMs, National Top Ten Rankings in everything from Barrel Racing to Working Hunter, first place finishes at the APHA World Championships, etc. Two major articles in the Paint Horse Journal ('95 and '99). All this in mainly one horse that I developed.

The point being that every one of mine has been carefully developed and raised and has found a discipline that works for them. There has been no waste. At GFF maybe a few babies out of 40 foaled per year will make a mark in the performance world. That is the “shotgun approach” of a puppy mill where the foals are bartered to pay off debt and acquire owners.

[Laurierace]

You weren’t even at Devon Diane, it would be hard for you to win there. Small breeder does not equate backyard breeder any more than large breeder equals a quality operation. Don’t waste your time worrying about asshats, the horses speak for themselves and anyone who can’t see that doesn’t know what they are looking at.

[dianehalpin]

No, we won at Devon in 2009! LOL, Laurierace!

[3Dogs]

Thanks Diane et all

The Roy cover so silly. The protests so overdone! The facts so overwhelming. As for Devon? No clue who BG is, do know Aloha sadly even LESS talented than RW, think HB judging all over the place, and that’s all to say.

[Hillside_H_Ranch]

[QUOTE=3Dogs;6373581]
Thanks Diane et all

The Roy cover so silly. The protests so overdone! The facts so overwhelming. As for Devon? No clue who BG is, do know Aloha sadly even LESS talented than RW, think HB judging all over the place, and that’s all to say.[/QUOTE]

Ah, short and sweet and to the point; I love you

[skydy]

Wow! The use off GFF and Hilltop in the same sentence is laughable.

[TrueColours]

Hey - you do all know that by using “GFF” instead of GreyFox Farm and JB instead of Jill Burnell, that any google searches and spiders wont pick up this thread?

Maybe the best way to get the word out definitively and consistently is to make sure the heading contains Jill Burnell and Grey Fox Farm and that everything is spelled out in the various posts as well

Just something to think about …

[S_A_McKee]

[QUOTE=TrueColours;6373820]
Hey - you do all know that by using “GFF” instead of GreyFox Farm and JB instead of Jill Burnell, that any google searches and spiders wont pick up this thread?

Maybe the best way to get the word out definitively and consistently is to make sure the heading contains Jill Burnell and Grey Fox Farm and that everything is spelled out in the various posts as well

Just something to think about …[/QUOTE]

If that’s your concern how about using the correct name of the farm?

Grey Fox Farm is not the subject of this discussion. They are reputable H/J trainers. And there is a Grey Fox Farm in FL that does eventing. Neither farm is involved in this drama.

I really think you mean GRAY FOX FARM.

Something for you to think about…

[Mardi]

[QUOTE=RoyParker;6371580]
You may not like the way GFF does business, but the offspring look oh so much better than most that I’ve seen from the small breeder out there. [/QUOTE]

Careful, your ego is showing.

Do you know that every time you put down small breeders, it makes YOU look bad ?

[runwayz]

This thread is like herpes…it won’t go away! :lol: But I love it! Oh by the way, my RW filly wants to be a dressage horse, not a jumper! Are there any RW or Aloha offspring out there in the over fences classes yet? Or are they all too young?

[lolita1]

Bit sad actually but I remember when I was looking for a stallion 3 or 4 years ago and this horse was suggested. I liked him but he wasn’t suitable although why now escapes me. I’m in Australia so I’m happy not to be trying to work out papers etc with a breeder who sadly is now known as not 100% reliable. Sad as the horse is actually very nice. Glad the OPs situation is resolved.

[RoyParker]

well again you all appear to have jumped off a big cliff. I am not Jill and I think you all have noticed that Jill does not bother to post on COTH. Why would she want to listen to all the crap?

I have a friend who has also bred to GFF and has had NO problems whatsoever. Bet a head count would show numerous clients that have had very good experiences.

and will stand by my defense of the stallions any day. You all know how much money it takes to properly keep stallions and offspring showing so of course that would not be something she is able to do right now. Lovely for those of you that have the funds to throw at that,

baby mill is kinda ridiculous unless you want to start calling other big breeders the same.

but alas time will tell what the offspring does. Yes I do think the success or Arbor Day and Remarkable speak volumes. But of course you all won’t even give them that credit.

On to bigger and better things requiring attention. Flame on and pat yourselves on the back. I’d hate to see your egos deflated.

[JWB]

[QUOTE=RoyParker;6374786]
well again you all appear to have jumped off a big cliff. I am not Jill and I think you all have noticed that Jill does not bother to post on COTH. Why would she want to listen to all the crap?

I have a friend who has also bred to GFF and has had NO problems whatsoever. Bet a head count would show numerous clients that have had very good experiences.

and will stand by my defense of the stallions any day. You all know how much money it takes to properly keep stallions and offspring showing so of course that would not be something she is able to do right now. Lovely for those of you that have the funds to throw at that,

baby mill is kinda ridiculous unless you want to start calling other big breeders the same.

but alas time will tell what the offspring does. Yes I do think the success or Arbor Day and Remarkable speak volumes. But of course you all won’t even give them that credit.

On to bigger and better things requiring attention. Flame on and pat yourselves on the back. I’d hate to see your egos deflated.[/QUOTE]

She used to post till she had to start using an alter. Since no one really knows who you are (has anyone jumped in who knows you personally?) why should anyone believe a word you say? Please, if you’ve had such great dealings with her, provide the USEF #s of the horses you’ve had registered under your name that you bred from her stallions, or show results, or something to verify your identity… Cause right now, you’re either JB or a convicted horse abuser. Either way, no credibility.

The more people post about her, the more other people will come to realize how dangerous dealing with her is. Once upon a time I thought about using her stallions for a marketable hunter foal, but then I read up and realized what a nightmare that would probably be.

[S_A_McKee]

[QUOTE=JWB;6374823]
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The more people post about her, the more other people will come to realize how dangerous dealing with her is. Once upon a time I thought about using her stallions for a marketable hunter foal, but then I read up and realized what a nightmare that would probably be.[/QUOTE]

Not really. Most HB show people could care less that is said here. And papers or a lack of them mean nothing for HB .
All that matters is she is the leading USEF HB breeder and Redwine is the leading HB stallion. Aloha is in 3rd place currently. Nothing ‘dangerous’ about that.
So as long as anyone who shows a Redwine offspring keeps showing and they keep winning then people will buy her foals.
All the advertising she needs is provided everytime one of the HB horses wins.
Many HB people do not care if the the horse has a performance career or ever shows over fences. It’s very much like AQHA breeding classes.

[JWB]

Have to scratch my head on that one… I believe it, but I still just don’t get it. Horses can live 20-30 years. I’d like mine to be able to work beyond the first 3 years!

[Lynnwood]

[QUOTE=S A McKee;6374854]
Not really. Most HB show people could care less that is said here. And papers or a lack of them mean nothing for HB .
All that matters is she is the leading USEF HB breeder and Redwine is the leading HB stallion. Aloha is in 3rd place currently. Nothing ‘dangerous’ about that.
So as long as anyone who shows a Redwine offspring keeps showing and they keep winning then people will buy her foals.
All the advertising she needs is provided everytime one of the HB horses wins.
Many HB people do not care if the the horse has a performance career or ever shows over fences. It’s very much like AQHA breeding classes.[/QUOTE]

Because we know that of those babies the mares had nothing to do with them being nice horses. It was all her stallions of course …

[S_A_McKee]

[QUOTE=hackinaround;6374912]
Because we know that of those babies the mares had nothing to do with them being nice horses. It was all her stallions of course …[/QUOTE]

Who cares?
And you really don’t have a clue if your premise is true or not unless you compare foals from the same mare bred to other stallions for HB show records.
The HB people don’t care. The only people who seem to care is the tiny tiny group that posts here.
They want a winner and Redwine produces them.
That’s the bottom line, like it or not. The USEF ranking is by sire, not mare and that’s all that matters for National Ranking.

[EquusMagnificus]

S A McKee, while I understand what you are saying and I’m sure, unfortunately, most of it is true, I find your profound disdain for breeders absolutely appalling. I hope I am reading it wrong or that you express the opinion of a minority.

The Dalai Lama said something along the lines of this:
“If you think that because you are small, you can’t change a thing; try sleeping with a mosquitoe and you’ll see who keeps the other from sleeping.”

We, here, are a bunch of mosquitoes and we hope to keep those who don’t care from sleeping until they realize we exist and that, ultimately, what we do is important for them.

And no, it is NOT ok for someone to go along abusing the public’s trust all in the holy name of “what it takes to win”.

[lauriep]

[QUOTE=S A McKee;6374854]
Not really. Most HB show people could care less that is said here. And papers or a lack of them mean nothing for HB .
All that matters is she is the leading USEF HB breeder and Redwine is the leading HB stallion. Aloha is in 3rd place currently. Nothing ‘dangerous’ about that.
So as long as anyone who shows a Redwine offspring keeps showing and they keep winning then people will buy her foals.
All the advertising she needs is provided everytime one of the HB horses wins.
Many HB people do not care if the the horse has a performance career or ever shows over fences. It’s very much like AQHA breeding classes.[/QUOTE]

I am in the business and I can’t think of a single person who ONLY wants a HB baby to stand on the line. Every person in my association has some sort of performance or sales goal. Every one.

[216_Jumper]

[QUOTE=lauriep;6375206]
I am in the business and I can’t think of a single person who ONLY wants a HB baby to stand on the line. Every person in my association has some sort of performance or sales goal. Every one.[/QUOTE]

Don’t forget about those that do the hunter breeding classes then just make the mares into broodmares at the age of 3 or 4 instead of starting them and that’s all they do based on their “hunter breeding” scores. Then again, there are plenty of folks that have these youngsters, never show them, and just breed them early as well based on their pedigrees, color etc.

I have a friend that did the in hand classes just to enjoy and help expose her youngster to things. When she started her at 3 not much phased her. She enjoyed coming home with those prizes and ribbons, but in the real world they don’t count for more than that. :yes: