The sad thing is people will actually believe it…or pretend to.
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He’s truly an innocent or dumb as a post if he thinks the USEF would have disciplines where they didn’t require/charge for horse registration. :)[/QUOTE]
I hate to break it to you, but-
Eventing horses DO NOT NEED USEF registration until they apply for an FEI passport.
See
http://useventing.com/resource/membership-and-horse-registration-requirements-chart
For Prelim,Intermediate and Advanced,
Horses need
USEA Full Registration
USEF Recording not required.
USEF ID# not required
[QUOTE=Janet;7026151]
I hate to break it to you, but-
Eventing horses DO NOT NEED USEF registration until they apply for an FEI passport.
See
http://useventing.com/resource/membership-and-horse-registration-requirements-chart
For Prelim,Intermediate and Advanced,
Horses need[/QUOTE]
Riders and owners do though. You do need it at Intermediate now though. Not sure where it was in the rules but we got a call from the secretary for my one horse when he entered Intermediate as I hadn’t put it in event entries (he already had a life time one, I just didn’t have it entered in Event Entries.)
I find it strange that they “didn’t know” the horse had a USEF number, when the horse was competing at FEI levels and had an FEI passport. SURELY the passport was transferred on with the horse, as with Coggins/health cert/etc? I can’t imagine KOC (or any FEI rider, for that matter) selling the horse and not sending its passport with it. Especially since the passport was recently inspected and stamped at Jersey… it’s not like it was lost. The passport would clearly show the horse’s FEI# and USEF#, so how can you claim ignorance on that?
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You do need it at Intermediate now though. Not sure where it was in the rules but we got a call from the secretary for my one horse when he entered Intermediate as I hadn’t put it in event entries (he already had a life time one, I just didn’t have it entered in Event Entries.)[/QUOTE]
There are plenty of secretaries who think Prelim and above horses need USEF numbers.
So I would not take the request form the secretary as the final word. Check with USEA and USEF.
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There are plenty of secretaries who think Prelim and above horses need USEF numbers.
So I would not take the request form the secretary as the final word. Check with USEA and USEF.[/QUOTE]
Understoond. Didn’t matter to me as the horse has a lifetime number already…and you need the number to get the passport needed for CICs and CCIs.
Not to hijack, but that article’s photo with the rider laying on the horse’s neck…yikes. If the horse is so “easy” to ride, why do you look like that?!
That’s just hunter style. They all do it.
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Not to hijack, but that article’s photo with the rider laying on the horse’s neck…yikes. If the horse is so “easy” to ride, why do you look like that?![/QUOTE]
Sure there is. If you know that the horse has been given a new number, report it to the USEF. They probably won’t do anything, but at least you’ll have tried.
I would but usually those are the horses 4 states away that I end up completely losing track of after the horse has changed hands, typically through a BNT or hunter/jumper broker who neglects to pass on the breeder information. Often the pony conveniently becomes welsh xx, instead of purebred connemara, and younger 
Just gotta mention, the horse did jumpers in Wellington this winter. They need to be registered
I just want to know how they “converted” a fit two star event horse, in the span of a couple of weeks, into a hunter. Granted it was a derby class but the hunter rider’s idea of a gallop and an eventer’s idea of a gallop are world’s apart.
I don’t care what excuses were given for the mix up but to basically wipe away a horse’s record and breeding to make it eligible for a class disgusts me but such is the way of life in hunter world.
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Just gotta mention, the horse did jumpers in Wellington this winter. They need to be registered[/QUOTE]
The mare was/is registered as RF Amber Eyes. Look it up at USEF.
RF Amber Eyes, with her breeding information clearly stated, was registered with USEF for the start of the competition year 2012. She competed in WEF jumpers, eventing, and 2nd level dressage. She had a lifetime registration.
When the O’Connors bought her, they had her USEF record meticulously updated with all of the new ownership information, including KOC’s USEF # and her FEI passport info.
When this story broke, I asked the Chronicle via one of its editors to please investigate this story. As it is well established that the Chronicle is afraid up upsetting the apple/ad dollar/VIP tent cart when it comes to USEF and BNTs, the only ‘reporting’ they did was a one-sided interview with Larry Glefke. Given that the various conflicting registrations are public information, the Chronicle has once again let its readership down in not making any genuine inquiries into this abuse of the rules. No calls to USEF. No challenges to Glefke. No word from the former owners, the O’Connors, about their reaction to the new owner registering the horse under a new name, new birth year, new breed, and numerous ‘unknowns’.
What we get instead are assurances that it isn’t fraud when BNTs do it. That might fly the first time we read it, but when it becomes a mantra, it’s just a meaningless collection of syllables, all of which much be said while holding one’s nose. The stench is just too strong.
The problem here is institutional. It’s not about bad apples or cheating individuals. It’s about a system that allows for cheating and selective enforcement of the rules in the presence of dollar signs and power.
The vast majority of USEF members don’t participate in or benefit from this system. There is no good reason why a BNT or rich person should be treated any differently that any ordinary USEF member. The privileges, rules and membership costs are the same for all.
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New COTH story.
https://www.chronofhorse.com/article/eventer-turned-hunter-raises-usef-record-keeping-questions
USEF basically doesn’t give a shit unless they don’t get their money. It’s totally dysfunctional. It needs a housecleaning. They should send the head of registrations to Germany to learn from the FN or even here to some of their breed affiliates.
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I’m pleased to see COTH step up and write something reasonably journalistic.
It never fails to amaze me that educated, articulate people think there are real risks in telling the truth about the horse world or in holding it accountable for its actions.
The horse world is not the NSA. A USEF registration is not the Pentagon Papers. Why is it tacitly okay to lie about your horse, provided that you have the right pedigree (the human pedigree, not the horse’s – we all know you can pretend you don’t know the latter), and that you do it in an acceptable way? Why is the horse world media so afraid to ask questions and report on serious issues?
Recycling horses into green status by giving them different names has been going on for years. When the players are high profile like in this case, the practice comes into the open.
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I’m pleased to see COTH step up and write something reasonably journalistic.
It never fails to amaze me that educated, articulate people think there are real risks in telling the truth about the horse world or in holding it accountable for its actions.
The horse world is not the NSA. A USEF registration is not the Pentagon Papers. Why is it tacitly okay to lie about your horse, provided that you have the right pedigree (the human pedigree, not the horse’s – we all know you can pretend you don’t know the latter), and that you do it in an acceptable way? Why is the horse world media so afraid to ask questions and report on serious issues?[/QUOTE]
I do love that the slant of the Article is faulty USEF “record keeping” and not the industry standard of h/j professionals creating a new identity so horses can be shown in divisions for which they are ineligible or so past records with subpar results can be obscured or so horses can get a little younger.
Whether it was intentional or not in this case, it appears that it’s pretty common practice in in the industry and that the USEF doesn’t really care much about it unless some peon makes a stink about it. I’d love to know just how common it is. Is it more or less than 1/2 of all horse sales within the industry?
Recycling horses into green status by giving them different names has been going on for years.
Maybe it’s because the rules themselves are flawed.
In reality, there is no reason why a two star horse should not be able to change sports (sports which are POLAR opposites) and show in the greens.
Same with eventing. Totally stupid that USEA allows people to be career winners without eventually bumping them out of the Senior or Am divisions into the Open division.
At least the USEF has that part down right with the hunters.
A.POINT.SYSTEM.
That being said. What a bunch of dummies to do it with a horse who has Hollywood status. This should be on the Jay Leno show. Hopefully they were ready for the spotlight.
And to think that people were up in arms over whether the name was changed to make it sounds more “elegant” and “hunter-like” so no one thought the mare belonged on the cross country course.
If only the real reason were that silly and inconsequential!
Hey, eventers, the thread on the h/j forum is 30 pages long with a lot more drama. People are fighting and it’s way more exciting. Since when do we let h/j people beat us at anything?
Here is a video of the green 8 y/o (cough, cough) competing in Europe two years ago as a 7 y/o -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9hSeWkU59s
She is stunning, looks like she came out of the womb jumping beautifully and destined to be a hunter.
