Just wondering what Rohdiamant sons are available fresh in the US/Canada. I know there are probably more and proven via frozen – who is most proven and is there a nicking pattern? TIA
PennyG
Royal Prince at Hilltop. There is another whose name escapes me at the moment…don’t think he’s been quite the producer RP has been though. Maybe other posters can think of his name…
Nancy Holowesko of Crosiadore Farm stands Roubaix
Routinier. Rhodiamant x Inschallah
I’ve have 3, all wonderful!
Lisa
The ones I know of are Rodioso, Romancero H, Routinier, Royal Prince, and Rouge Diamont. Royal Prince is probably the best known and most proven as a sire - there are dozens and dozens of RP offspring listed on USEF, although admittedly, he has been the most promoted (and being owned by Hilltop certainly helped attract mares!).
As for nicks, mares of Rubinstein descent have traditionally crossed very, very well with Donnerhall blood (they called it the “Royal Dressage” nick in Germany). My understanding is that, in general, horses from the “R” line mostly need more power in the hindquarters and a strong, carrying hindleg capable of taking weight. They also tend to not have a big, flashy trot, so if that is important to you, the mare needs to bring that to the table when breeding to Rubinstein bred stallions.
Routinier!! That was the one I was trying to think of. Actually he’s about the only Rohdiamant son I’ve ever seen with a less-than-attractive head. Because Roh. has the AA blood, his head was quite refined.
You know, there is also his full brother, (a grey) who, last I heard was still a stallion and breeding. In VA, IIRC. Royal Diamond? Isn’t that his name?
What ever happened to him?
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You know, there is also his full brother, (a grey) who, last I heard was still a stallion and breeding. In VA, IIRC. Royal Diamond? Isn’t that his name?
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Royal Diamond. Wonderful stallion who was less favored simply because he was gray. I believe he is still alive in Germany.
Kyzsteke, the grey stallion in VA is Ruffian.
http://www.lgfsporthorses.com/10001.html
I like the R line stallions on D-line mares and on L-line mares. I have not bred my young Rohdiamant stallion much, but for my mare base of big moving, large, thoroughbred influenced mares…he is perfect for my needs.
That’s right! Now is he a FULL brother to Rohdiamant & Royal Diamond or just a 3/4 brother? Can’t really recall their tail female line…
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Royal Diamond. Wonderful stallion who was less favored simply because he was gray. I believe he is still alive in Germany.[/QUOTE]
I never hear much about his frozen. Was it as crappy as Rubinstein’s and Rohdiamant’s?
Interesting comment - Rubinstein was renowned for his trot and reproduction of that in his progeny. In fact, it has been my experience that the R - line trot is indeed just that, big and flashy trot. What I look for in a mare for a Rubinstein son stallion is a very active and powerful canter – because the R - line does indeed take care of the trot. All of that said, those who are/were much more than I will ever be knew of the great combination of R and D many moons ago . . .
And by the way, Rubinstein’s frozen does work . . . .
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I never hear much about his frozen. Was it as crappy as Rubinstein’s and Rohdiamant’s?[/QUOTE]
My understanding is that the R line stallion (Rubenstein) frozen semen is not crap (breeders I know had success). I have ridden a Royal Diamond offspring via frozen. Nice mare.
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My understanding is that the R line stallion (Rubenstein) frozen semen is not crap (breeders I know had success). I have ridden a Royal Diamond offspring via frozen. Nice mare.[/QUOTE]
Are you kidding? Rubinstein I was/is known for his extremely bad frozen!! In fact, just a month ago I was talking to a theriologist (spelling?) and he remarked that every time he used it, he failed to get a pregnancy…Said he hated to even see the stuff.
I’m sure 1 or 2 people got lucky, but ask on this board how many haven’t. They FAR outnumber the winners…
Rohdiamant also did not freeze well…not sure his was ever even offered.
There have been pregnancies with Royal Diamond semen, enough that I considered buying it. Romanov, a Rohdiamant, son has good frozen semen, although unfortunately not easily available anymore since since his sale. He has full brothers available, whose frozen is supposed to be decent, although I haven’t ever tried it. Ruffian died last spring, and isn’t a full brother to Rohdiamant.
[QUOTE=clint;7264774 Ruffian died last spring, and isn’t a full brother to Rohdiamant.[/QUOTE]
He was a 3/4 sib then? He was by Rubinstein o/o an Inschallah mare. I don’t think he was used that much.
I have Romancero on my short list for my heavy D-line mare this spring. Has anyone here bred to him and, if so, do you have any feedback as to what they saw him bring to the resulting foal?
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Interesting comment - Rubinstein was renowned for his trot and reproduction of that in his progeny. In fact, it has been my experience that the R - line trot is indeed just that, big and flashy trot. What I look for in a mare for a Rubinstein son stallion is a very active and powerful canter – because the R - line does indeed take care of the trot. All of that said, those who are/were much more than I will ever be knew of the great combination of R and D many moons ago . . … . .[/QUOTE]
I have been told MANY times over the years by Oldenburg officials and multiple German breeders that Rubinstein bred foals do not have naturally big trots - at least, not the type of trots that have been the rage over the past decade or so. Their trots often develop nicely through training, but they tend to not have the type of mechanics typical of foals by Jazz, Sandro Hit, etc. This is part of the reason why so many “R” line horses are successful in hunters/hunter breeding - they tend to be a bit more “flat” in their gait mechanics.
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I have Romancero on my short list for my heavy D-line mare this spring. Has anyone here bred to him and, if so, do you have any feedback as to what they saw him bring to the resulting foal?[/QUOTE]
A friend has a Romancero H foal coming in 2014 from a lovely, modern type jumper bred mare with Quidam de Revel, Landgraf I, Caletto I, Sandro, and Contender bloodlines. The mare produced a lovely premium filly by Sure Hit last year, so it will be interesting to see what she produces with Romancero.
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I have been told MANY times over the years by Oldenburg officials and multiple German breeders that Rubinstein bred foals do not have naturally big trots - at least, not the type of trots that have been the rage over the past decade or so. Their trots often develop nicely through training, but they tend to not have the type of mechanics typical of foals by Jazz, Sandro Hit, etc. This is part of the reason why so many “R” line horses are successful in hunters/hunter breeding - they tend to be a bit more “flat” in their gait mechanics.[/QUOTE]
Thank you DY! I LOVE the R line and have a Rubinstein granddaughter and her daughter, who has Rubinstein x2. But neither have the big, showy, “money trot” that is so popular these days. My understanding is the big advantage/plus of the R line is their intelligence, willingness to work, and (in general) an athletic ability over all.
They are very trainable, IOW. But they do NOT have naturally fancy trots…and I think maybe that is contributing to their (what I perceive) as their fading popularity.
