Rich Fellers

Devil’s Advocate here: Is it possible that some of those Jimmy William’s love hearts are from people unaware of his being outed as a serial snake excrement?

I say that as I have friends who I know are completely unaware of ALL this stuff and probably like JW because of a story they saw once about him wearing a cowboy hat and being in the jumper world.

His obituary is somewhat compelling, knowing what we now know. This is from The NY Times

Jimmy A. Williams; Horse Riding Master
BY MYRNA OLIVER
NOV. 3, 1993 12 AM PT

Jimmy A. Williams, legendary riding master at Flintridge Riding Club for nearly four decades who trained horses and riders for the Olympics and other international competition, has died.

He was 76.

Williams died of respiratory failure Sunday at the Hospital of the Good Samaritan. He had undergone his second heart bypass surgery Oct. 4.

A rider from the age of 3, Williams was named Horseman of the Year in 1960 by the American Horse Shows Assn. and in 1977 by the California Professional Horsemen’s Assn.

In 1989 he became the first recipient of the American Horse Shows Assn.'s Lifetime Achievement Award, and the Tiffany-designed trophy, a sterling silver cowboy hat, was named for him.

Williams was inducted into the Show Jumping Hall of Fame in Tampa, Fla., and recently received the Vaquero Award of the California Reined Cowhorse Assn.

Born in Elsinore and raised in El Monte, Williams dropped out of school after the eighth grade and showed horses for his horse-trader father at the old Los Angeles Horse and Mule Auction.

“Dad carried a handful of rocks. If I rode sloppy, I’d get hit with one,” Williams once told The Times. “He wanted me to sit straight, like an old Spaniard. He taught me to ride like a gentleman.”

At 22, Williams became a stunt double for film star Tyrone Power, riding in such Westerns as “Jesse James.”

Years later, he trained horses for Hollywood films, most notably Disney’s “The Horse in the Grey Flannel Suit” and “The Horse With the Flying Tail.”

He served in the Army in Italy during World War II, winning the Purple Heart and the Bronze Star and learning European dressage when he was stationed with the 2610 Remount Station near Florence.

Williams opened a training stable in Escondido, and in 1956 went to Flintridge, a highly respected riding club organized in 1922 by four Pasadena families.

His first Olympic competitor was Mary Mairs Chapot in the late 1960s, followed by World Cup, Grand Prix and international champions Robert Ridland, Mason Phelps Jr., Anne Kursinski and Susan Hutchison, who gave up an Olympic berth to work for Williams.

“If I had all the money in the world, I would do the same thing I’m doing now and work just as hard,” Williams told The Times in 1986 as he neared 70. “I get tired, but I feel good about it.”

Williams had a reputation as a ladies’ man and he was married six times. He whisked around horse shows in a golf cart with a sign proclaiming, “Jimmy Williams is a clean old man . . . amen.”

A book on Williams’ life is being prepared for publication next year, according to his longtime friend Alan F. Balch.

Williams is survived by a daughter, Linda Rae Simons of Carson City, Nev., and his stepfather, Ben Eiland of El Monte.

At Williams’ request, no funeral is planned. Memorial donations can be made to the American Horse Shows Assn., 220 E. 42nd St., New York, N.Y. 10017, or to the U.S. Equestrian Team, Gladstone, N.J.

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My heart breaks for this young woman. Can you imagine how she feels reading the terrible venom people are putting on social media about her? Can you imagine how she must cry and have nightmares about the whole awful situation she was in?

I can only pray that she finds peace and comfort with the people who support her and are trying to help her heal. No child should be subjected to this. This will affect her for the rest of her life and the only thing she wanted was to be with the horses she loved. Truly, utterly tragic.

Maggie - if you are reading this, you are a brave girl and I’m going to be praying hard for you and your healing.

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Wow. I knew about the Rob Gage Memorial Page. 500 + people like and follow it. I didn’t know about the recent post you mention, though.

In the Gage case, there were recent victims, and proof related to that submitted directly to SafeSport. There were HORRIBLE things said about the one victim (who is now an adult) who did step forward in the summer of 2019 and speak out after almost a month of misinformation and victim blaming went on in comments on Facebook in the wake of his suicide.

My guess is that many of the 318 people who loved that picture of Jimmy Williams are also amongst the 500 plus people who like that Rob Gage Memorial page. At some point, can we all acknowledge how troubling this is? Are the same people behind this stuff and the ISWG page going to start a campaign to support Rich too? Wouldn’t surprise me. At all.

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I am so sorry they did not believe you. I know that tends to be a part of the pattern of behavior in toxic families-not acknowledging the abuse. I hope you have a healthy support system around you now?

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Honestly… many/most of them knew/know. Many of these people are vocal in opposition to SafeSport. Many of these people were all over Facebook in the wake of Rob Gage’s suicide, saying that his case was only a matter of a single teenaged girlfriend from 35 years ago, and that the anonymous reporters to SafeSport who had ‘dredged up the past’ were somehow responsible for his choice to take his own life (FYI… this was crap and some of the people saying it were well aware that there were multiple victims, including recent accusations). Many of these people are also part of the ISWG group dedicated to supporting George Morris. Some of these people donated to the Athletes for Equity GoFundMe account… which is being used to try and legally challenge various aspects of the SafeSport legislation. They proudly signed their names to their donations.

All this stuff has played out over the last 2 plus years, on social media, quite publicly.

Let’s take a moment to revisit the topic of this thread… Rich Fellers. His abuse of this particular victim began when she was 16, according to a comment she made on social media. That would be in the midst of all the noise involved in all this mess, circulating on social media. Fellers was an Olympian, and a well known figure at the top of the jumper community. The victim was pushing to get to the upper levels of Sport.

All published reports indicate that it was 3rd parties who first approached SafeSport last year with concerns about the victim’s well being, and during the course of the investigation, she did then choose to cooperate and speak up, and it was turned over to law enforcement at some point (which is in accordance with SafeSport procedures).

A reasonable person has to wonder if the continued tone and public comments by certain active people in the jumper community were a factor in this victim not coming forward earlier… it sure seems possible. A reasonable person also has to wonder if the continued tone and public comments by certain active people in the jumper community were a factor in Fellers apparently thinking he could get away with this behavior, even though SafeSport was fully in effect at the time some of this behavior was taking place. That’s all just my opinion… but it’s hardly a stretch to wonder about that sort of thing.

At the end of the day, abusers are the ones who should bear the responsibility for the abuse. But it’s legit to call out these other, noisy people, and lay some serious blame squarely at their feet for the toxic abuse apologist culture which seems to still exist within our sport at present.

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Virginia Horse Mom, I beg to differ. As I said I have friends who are totally clueless and living in their utopian bubble. They only know the things that affect THEM.

Now maybe this counts for 3 of those 500 likes. I don’t know. I can only say this: My name is NOT among those 500.

My most sincere prayers for healing and justice for anyone victimized by these heinous, disturbing, disgusting acts.

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I can respect what you are saying, @Knights_Mom :slight_smile: I’m clearly kind of dug in mentally, and ranting. Probably because I have watched report after report, and all the related social media comments for almost 3 years now. And this latest case REALLY upsets me. We all know better now. We’ve all had SafeSport training. Most people have had multiple years of SafeSport training. Rich Fellers had multiple years of SS Training. He promised to abide by the code. Yet clearly, he thought at some point, “What the hell, I’ll just do what I please with this teenaged student of mine anyway.”

I know there will ALWAYS be horrible human beings who do horrible things. That’s life. But honestly, we should be doing a little bit better in our own sport with this stuff at this point. How many more young people with hopes, dreams and a love of horses have to be victimized like this before the culture changes and people stop saying stupid ugly stuff in the wake of the revelations?

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Virginia Horse Mom - it’s overwhelming because it’s EVERYWHERE, not just the horse world. And oaths and vows are violated everywhere - with priests, with docs, with teachers, with siblings, parents, etc. There are way too many humans who lean to the perverse. And not the spank me when I’m handcuffed in pink ostrich feathers cuffs perverse but the most twisted sick disgusting vile WTF is wrong with people crap.

Priests, above all people believe in hell yet look how many have condemned themselves to it with kid after kid after kid. And they can’t seem to EVER be able to stop.

I wish I knew how to take it all away.

Hugs to you. The empath in me feels your emotions on it.

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I have had conversations with people who are current Flintridge Riding Club members who knew him, knew the Kursinski family, people who are otherwise decent people and women’s rights advocates who think he was done wrong and blame the parents. He lived on the premises; there’s no way he could sneak a child into his house unwitnessed. Yet people still defend him and deny there was anything going on.

Same with Rob Gage defenders. Denial is a powerful thing.

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That’s a big part of why they publicly shame the victims who have come forward. It’s also a direct warning to others who might come forward.

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That’s it right there. So many want to believe that this ugliness could not possibly exist in our “world”. Elsewhere maybe, but not here. Much better to, at the least, stick their heads in the sand or at worst go on the offensive. It’s much easier to blame victims than.to accept that people we know, (or think we know) are capable of such evil. Sadly, the truth is that this abuse is widespread and has been going on for a very long time. It will continue as long as people are more interested in protecting their heroes and the status quo than they are interested in protecting the vulnerable and the victimized.

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Disclaimer before I say anything else. I am NOT supporting child molesters or people who are mean to victims. I do not know any of the people discussed in this thread and though I follow this forum quite a bit I can not say I would have recognized the name Rich Fellers if I saw it anywhere. I totally hate that we have victims of this stuff!

Having been what I thought was good friends with someone who I later learned was a child molester I can totally see the initial feeling of disbelief that this person who you thought you knew and liked was something other than that person who had been in front of all that time (in my case many years). No hint that they were molesting little boys. Not a clue. The man I knew was kind, generous and someone that most people would like upon meeting (which made his side child molesting thing easier, clearly).
If I had herd a rumor that this man was a child molester my first response would have been ‘no way’. (This all happened before social media was a thing, heck before internet was a thing.) Not because I was not believing anyone, but because my brain could not wrap my head around the person I knew having that side.
Bad people are experts at making themselves look like good people. We humans want to believe what we see in front of us. Bad people suck!

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Having handled child exploitation cases, in my experience it is quite common for perpetrators to fool adults around them who genuinely are unaware of the exploitation. Certainly there are cases where the abusive behavior is an “open secret” but there are also cases where adults in the inner circle actually do not know, are shocked, and vehemently deny the abuse because they TRULY believe it could not have happened. The same skills that help the abuser groom the victim help the abuser lull other adults into a false sense of security. It goes hand in hand.

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Exactly! Just look at what is unfolding with the Michigan football team doctor and all of those players. Not what most people think of when you think of sexual assault victims, big athletic grown men, and yet it happened to them too. The perpetrators have honed their grooming skills so well that no one is safe and no one would believe that they could possibly do anything like that. It’s not just the victims who are groomed, those around them are conditioned as well.

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The son of Michigan’s famous football coach, Bo Schembechler, revealed he was sexually abused by a team doctor. The same doctor had been accused by others of sexual assault. This happened when the coach’s son was child and his father dismissed him and told him to basically shut up.

Someone I worked with had some experience working with criminals, She told me some criminals were the people you would least expect. Admired in the community, upstanding, nice. It is scary. Now that this behavior is being revealed more and more in the horse community, who can you trust? How do you trust?

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I absolutely agree with you that bad people are good at making themselves look innocent. It’s because of this that some initial disbelief and even support for those accused is understandable. However, there is a huge difference between disbelief, even publicly supporting someone you believe to be innocent and going after the victim. That’s where I draw the line.

Predators are extremely adept at fooling and grooming people be they victims, their families and even those around them. That’s how they get away with it. My parents were well groomed by my abuser as was I. There were “wink-wink, nod-nod” rumors about him… However, no one really knew the depth of his depravity nor the numbers of his victims until people started to come forward. The shock to me and many of the others is that there are so many. Not all came forward publicly or to Safesport. However, because many of the victims knew each other, many of those who did not report or go public did come forward to each other. Their stories had enough commonality to his methodology, yet slightly different so he could be successful with each. I have no doubt that those other victims are telling the truth.

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Exactly

I totally agree.

The problem I often see here is, some posters are screaming at others saying that are ‘going after the victim’ when what they are doing is dealing with their internal disbelief that someone they knew is not who they thought they were. (I am not saying this is the case with all of the posts.)

Saying “I can not believe Bob did that” does not equal “I do not believe what Suzy is saying”.

It makes me mad that horrible people make everyone else’s world so difficult!

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It’s literally the number one concern of an abuser, ok maybe number two concern. Hiding in plain sight. It’s a thing they do and try to do. They have forums just like this on the dark web that help each other with how to fool
Parents, teachers, etc etc and gain trust and stay hidden.

Talk to your kids about what’s right and wrong and let them know they can come to you and that no matter what it is never ok. That’s the best place to start to keep kids safe.

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I agree with you. It is absolutely believable that people around a predator, including friends and family, have been fooled and truly believe they are innocent. I can even understand being shocked and angry as long as the victim isn’t publicly shamed or blamed. In the days before social media, those conversations would have been private. Unfortunately, social media seems to have removed the inhibition which would normally prevent most people from saying certain things publicly. We are living in the age of trolls and keyboard warriors.

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