Nope. I think you need to bring that trash into the light for everyone to see and realize it is out there lurking. Hiding or it muting it just causes it to fester. Call it out.
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I suppose⊠
Though it seems as if there are plenty of other places they can spew that garbage.
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Nah. Call it out. Good people will see them for who they are ⊠I have faith.
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I agree with this. If I hadnât seen Oreomom show her ass here I might have engaged her on another thread as though she were a decent, intelligent human being. Now I know sheâs neither and much worse and can actively avoid her/call her out whenever she crawls out from under her rock.
Over/under on Oreomom being some dude, btw�
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Adults: donât diddle children. The end. Not that hard.
I struggle with why this is so hard for so many to understand . Onus on the adult not to diddle children. Doesnât seem like a hard concept yet so many excuses are made for offenders.
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Corollary 1: adults donât defend adults who prey on children
Corollary 2: adults donât blame children for the vile acts of other adults.
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It looks as though the Fellersâ attorney has advised Shelley to close her FB account. Probably a good move. 
Too little too late.
Is she just plain stupid, or does she really blame everyone else for this? What is the estimate they made off the Kehrings? $$$$$$ 1-2 Million plus? to have their daughter molested, abused and raped by a crusty old man? Was the sex and manipulation by Richard Fellers just his way of getting a Junior rider to buy more horses, promises made in bed? I canât wait for the civil case!
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My sources out west are wondering if the Kehrings actually funded the farm the Fellers bought a couple of years ago. They never had the money to do that even when Harry Chapman (rolling in his grave) who owned Flexible was their sole sponsor. Anyone know anything about that?
As mentioned previously in this thread, the connections go very deepâŠincluding some funding by the Kehring family. Could it be that the whole dog and pony show was funded by a wealthy Silicon Valley family, that was taken in by a ruse of a seemingly trustworthy handsome Olympic rider and his seemingly sweet mother figure / wife?
If they funded it - or even some/most of it - I hope they get it, the whole damned thing, to use or sell as they please. Both Fellers - Rich and Shelley - can rot in hell. Crimes against children are the lowest of the low.
No quarter for people who prey on children or their enablers. If society as a whole, and the horse world in particular, doesnât hold them accountable and institute a zero tolerance approach, then we are also enablers.
It doesnât matter how talented or successful they are: drum them out of the sport and all good society. Nothing less is acceptable.
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The Fellers (Richard and Michelle) - via their business - own the property. Their business is listed on the property deed. Shelley doesnât own any of it, except by writ of whatever marriage to Richard allows her to claim, in a legal sense. The purchase price of the property was 1.3 million, which is not a stretch for an Olympic-level rider that has been selling horses for ages.
Just because their name is on the deed does not mean they own it outright. They most likely have a mortgage, perhaps even a private loan.
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Unless there is civil litigation/other legal attachment to the property that Iâm am unaware of, I donât know how that would come to pass.
The first was my thought. I hope they sue the britches off these people.
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I get the impression that they would like to see a just outcome and then put this behind them (and not be embroiled in years of litigation) but everyone is different and maybe they have the stomach for that kind of thing. I wish them some peace that will make their family feel better, in whatever form it takes. It doesnât need to conform to what I would want if I was in their shoes-- I just hope they can get a resolution that feels acceptable from their POV.
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Deeds of trust recorded on a property are public record.
Often one can simply Google a property address and check a Real Estate AP like Zillow or Realtor.com for the property even if itâs not currently listed for sale or rent. Just look down for a section such as âsellers proceedsâ . The sellers proceeds is the RE AP estimates of the sales price less any recorded loan amounts.
For example, the AP estimates a property is worth $500,000 value with the sellers proceeds being about $200,000. That means there is probably a loan of around $300,000 recorded on that property.
Note: there are typically âclosing costsâ with include things like real estate commission, title fees, insurance, property tax ect not necessarily included when these RE APâs show sellers proceeds. This cost can be another 7-8% or more depending upon the area of the country.
The RE APâs may not be exactly correct or updated but are a guideline for each property based upon county records. They also will not show any unrecorded liens. Iâm also not sure about things like foreclosures as far as timing.
This is certainly a thoughtful point of view. I admit that this topic hits a bullseye for my family and I am clearly still in the righteous vengeance/scorched earth stage of dealing with it with respect to perpetrators.
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This may be speculation on my part, but I recall years ago being told that Harry and Mollie Chapman either helped finance the property, were partners in the property, or funded part of the property outright. I canât remember now. That being said, I agree that Richâs former career certainly provided the income to purchase and/or mortgage the property outright.
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Alizar Farms was his original barn that he started with his (then) wife Michelle, who is also his business partner in his current barn. Then he apparently ended up at Whip Nâ Spur and later, he and Michelle started their current barn, which they own. I donât know if they ever owned the property that Alizar Farms was on, but the last recorded sale price is certainly enough to have covered whatever loan they would have taken out to buy the place they are at now.
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Having dealt with victims, no matter how much I may sympathize with them I can never know what they are going through. Unless you lived it, you can only go so far understanding how it feels. So I try to reserve judgment. At the end of the day, no amount of money damages is ever going to truly make the victim of sexual assault whole. I understand people who want to file a civil case, I understand people who donât. I understand victims who do and donât forgive the perpetrator. I try not to judge their reactions/decisions because that can begin to feel like additional victim blaming/not believing the victim (i.e., âhow bad could it be if she forgave him?â or âhow bad could it have been if she doesnât want to testify against him?â). As a prosecutor, my goals are not necessarily 100% aligned with the victim, even though I would prefer that the victim can walk away from a criminal case with positive feelings about the outcome. Itâs all very complicated. So I try to stay out of the whole line of thought that begins with âIf it was me I would sue him for all heâs worthâŠâ etc. Thatâs how some people feel and I understand why they feel that way. Itâs not how everyone feels. Thereâs no one right way to feel about having been abused.
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I canât like this post enough. I need to be able to give multiple hearts.
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