Rick Dutrow Suspended by KY Stewards

[DickHertz]

Surprise, surprise…Dutrow gets ANOTHER positive, this time for Clen Buterol

Kentucky racing stewards on June 25 suspended trainer Rick Dutrow for 15 days after a horse he trained tested positive for the prohibited subsstance clenbuterol.

According to chief state steward John Veitch, the positive test was for the horse Salute the Count, who finished second in the $100,000 Aegon Turf Sprint (gr. IIIT) at Churchill Downs the day before Dutrow-trained Big Brown won the Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (gr. I). The $20,000 second-place purse earned by Salute the Count in the race will be forfeited as a result of the action.

Although Dutrow waived his right to a hearing before the ruling was issued, he has indicated he will file an appeal within the 10-day period allowed for such action, Veitch said. If Dutrow appeals, the suspension will be stayed and he will be permitted to continue to train until he has exhausted all administrative and legal remedies, according to Veitch. Under the appeals process, a hearing officer is appointed to review the case and make a recommendation to the Kentucky Horse Racing Authority, which has the ability to accept, reject, or amend the recommendation.

Clenbuterol is an approved medication in horses, and is used as a bronchial dilator, which increases lung capacity though it has steroidal properties.

http://news.bloodhorse.com/article/45863.htm

[Carol_Ames]

can ti get any worse?

this going from worse to:( worse:mad::mad:

[Carol_Ames]

can it get any worse?

this is going from worse to:( worse:mad::mad:

[Acertainsmile]

Not such a huge deal… almost everyone uses Clen… the way big barns work, there is one person who gives it once or twice a day… there is a draw period, and often that someone that is reponsible goofs.

[DickHertz]

Ummm, yeah, but according to ESPN this is his 3rd Clen Buterol positive in the past five years. Everyone can make a mistake, but 3 positives is cheating and not a mistake.

[QHJockee]

3 positives in 5 years…i wouldn’t call that deliberate - 3 in year i would. In big barns where everything gets ace and clen, and it is someone giving the dose other than the assistant trainer (who knows who is going to race and when), it’s easy to have th ehorse get lost in the shuffle.

Keep in mind horses can get bamboozled into a race by the racing secretary to fill the race. Not enough withdrawal and time, and wanting to accomodate the secretary (face it, we all need a favor from time to time), enter and think it will slide (because let’s face it, you probably won’t win since you weren’t going to enter that race on that day anyway).

not saying i condone it, but just saying that on the track, these things happen when authority is delegated down the row.

[Acertainsmile]

[QUOTE=DickHertz;3316548]
Ummm, yeah, but according to ESPN this is his 3rd Clen Buterol positive in the past five years. Everyone can make a mistake, but 3 positives is cheating and not a mistake.[/QUOTE]

Dick, not to pick on you, but this was your post from the Asmussen thread: why is Dutrow cheating, and Asmussen not?

Jun. 25, 2008, 10:41 PM
DickHertz
Working Hunter Join Date: Apr. 2, 2008
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Big barns get bad tests all the time because the people that work in the barn make a mistake.

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County, horses are not raised for slaughter in America like cattle and poultry.

[DickHertz]

[QUOTE=QHJockee;3316630]
3 positives in 5 years…i wouldn’t call that deliberate - 3 in year i would. In big barns where everything gets ace and clen, and it is someone giving the dose other than the assistant trainer (who knows who is going to race and when), it’s easy to have th ehorse get lost in the shuffle.

Keep in mind horses can get bamboozled into a race by the racing secretary to fill the race. Not enough withdrawal and time, and wanting to accomodate the secretary (face it, we all need a favor from time to time), enter and think it will slide (because let’s face it, you probably won’t win since you weren’t going to enter that race on that day anyway).

not saying i condone it, but just saying that on the track, these things happen when authority is delegated down the row.[/QUOTE]

I hardly doubt that Dutrow was “bamboozled” into shipping his stakes horse to Kentucky by the Churchill racing secretary. Other big barns don’t have as many positives as Dutrow. He’s had several high Lasix positives in the past…is that because of his help too?

[DickHertz]

[QUOTE=Acertainsmile;3316652]
Dick, not to pick on you, but this was your post from the Asmussen thread: why is Dutrow cheating, and Asmussen not?

Jun. 25, 2008, 10:41 PM
DickHertz
Working Hunter Join Date: Apr. 2, 2008
Posts: 485

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Big barns get bad tests all the time because the people that work in the barn make a mistake.

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County, horses are not raised for slaughter in America like cattle and poultry.[/QUOTE]

I was hoping someone like you would sense the sarcasm (note the smiley face after the post, meant to be a smart ass) as this was posted about 10 minutes after someone used the “big barn” theory on a different thread.

[Acertainsmile]

Someone like me???

Like it or not, it’s most likely the truth…have you seen the Clen Buterol “guns” with the shoulder strap?

[DickHertz]

[QUOTE=Acertainsmile;3316695]
Someone like me???

Like it or not, it’s most likely the truth…have you seen the Clen Buterol “guns” with the shoulder strap?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, you are pretty sharp - I figured you would pick up on the sarcasm.

So, it’s the big barn excuse…ascertainsmile, at what point on Dutrow’s rap sheet do we say “Dutrow is a cheater” instead of “Oh, that happens in a big barn.”

[Acertainsmile]

[QUOTE=DickHertz;3316705]
Yeah, you are pretty sharp - I figured you would pick up on the sarcasm.

So, it’s the big barn excuse…ascertainsmile, at what point on Dutrow’s rap sheet do we say “Dutrow is a cheater” instead of “Oh, that happens in a big barn.”[/QUOTE]

I’m not defending RD… and I’m not a fan, know him personally and all I can say is “ick”… anyway… stuff happens, sometimes trainers will push the envelope, or there is a mistake made… but a small overage of Clen is not going to make a bad horse win…this horse is a nice horse, that obviously was well placed… just not worth taking the risk on losing a nice purse.

I’m not sure if Dutrow is a cheater,I would guess just a really bad manager… I’m sure his father is rolling in his grave.

Now if it was Snake Venom, that would make this a different story.

[DickHertz]

It was twice the legal limit according to the AP Story, not just a small overage.

I agree that a CB positive is not the end of the world, but I would tend to think that “good” barns who have a couple of various positives, would try to right the ship instead of just letting positive after positive roll in. I’m sure for the next positive that rolls around the COTH board will claim sabotage instead of the Big Barn Theory.

I guess I’m in the minority…I think Dutrow has done enough damage to the sport and should be banned for life (along with Scott Lake).

[Acertainsmile]

If it was twice the limit, then he got an extra dose… only an idiot would try that on purpose… I’m still going to go with bad help, Lord knows I’ve been there!

[DickHertz]

[QUOTE=Acertainsmile;3316712]

I’m not sure if Dutrow is a cheater,I would guess just a really bad manager…

.[/QUOTE]

Ok, acertainsmile, let me ask you this about the point you make here. I want to take you to task.

Dutrow is on record as saying half of his suspensions/positive tests were accurate and half weren’t. In other words, he knows that he CHEATED in the past and was caught. So, wouldn’t you be inclined to think the guy is a cheater based on the fact that he has admitted to a lot of wrongdoings in the past?

[DickHertz]

[QUOTE=Acertainsmile;3316731]
If it was twice the limit, then he got an extra dose… only an idiot would try that on purpose… I’m still going to go with bad help, Lord knows I’ve been there![/QUOTE]

Dutrow raced only 4 horses that week at Churchill. So, his help couldn’t get the withdrawl time for only 4 horses correct? Come on…

[Acertainsmile]

[QUOTE=DickHertz;3316736]
Ok, acertainsmile, let me ask you this about the point you make here. I want to take you to task.

Dutrow is on record as saying half of his suspensions/positive tests were accurate and half weren’t. In other words, he knows that he CHEATED in the past and was caught. So, wouldn’t you be inclined to think the guy is a cheater based on the fact that he has admitted to a lot of wrongdoings in the past?[/QUOTE]

Dick, I’m not sure how long you have been involved in racing, but there are so many trainers that push it, or er, cheat… I’m not saying it’s not a big deal, it is, and I dont condone it, and do agree that racing needs to clean up it’s act big time.

But, the things that he has been caught with are not horrible drugs, they are not going to make cripples win, … there are so many other trainers using other drugs that are really bad, why not pick on them for awhile?

[DickHertz]

[QUOTE=Acertainsmile;3316746]

But, the things that he has been caught with are not horrible drugs, they are not going to make cripples win, … there are so many other trainers using other drugs that are really bad, why not pick on them for awhile?[/QUOTE]

Because COTH won’t let you bash trainers without actual documentation and for many of the butchers you speak of - they don’t exactly get written up on ESPN.com like Dutrow or Asmussen so therefore I can’t say ______ _______ uses ______ because ______.

My problem with Dutrow is he doesn’t care when he gets a positive, it’s just “part of the game” to him. I also lost the 1% of respect I had for him as a horseman when he “called in sick” to Congress.

[nightmoves]

[QUOTE=DickHertz;3316548]
Ummm, yeah, but according to ESPN this is his 3rd Clen Buterol positive in the past five years. Everyone can make a mistake, but 3 positives is cheating and not a mistake.[/QUOTE] So why are they only giving him 15 days? If he was in Standardbreds he be getting 60 for a first offense.

[DickHertz]

I believe it depends on how much time elapsed since the last positive.