new Roc baby
I have a brand new Roc baby-he was born on Sunday morning. He is all that I could have hoped for! Beautiful, curious, sweet and VERY independent! He is a chestnut with two hind stockings and a large blaze. I am new to the forum but I will try to add some pictures…
ok-I am a retard-I can’t seem to get the pictures in here…
baby picture
OK I am trying to get a picture in here of my new baby…
Aww, how cute. I remember when my little guy was that small. They grow up fast! Mine is over 3 months already!
Who is the mamma? Did you breed him for a hunter/jumper?
Seems like yours looks like your mare. My colt looks a lot like mom too,but with more white and a lot more bone!
Congrats!
The momma (Godiva) is a Hann. She has mostly dressage blood but I acutally am an event rider and she is BOLD and fun! She has had several injusried over the years and I have had a child myself so she has only competed through Training level. I actually bred him to be an event horse…We’ll see. He is SO cute and my two year-old son was playing chase with him today at three days old. I can’t believe how curous and independent he is allready!
I think I saw your horse on the stallion website. He is very cute!! Will he be a h/j?
Yes, Ace is on the website. Ace was the first Roc baby born this year. (in Feb.)
My mare is a hunter, but her father has sired a lot of Eventing horses. (Woodstock, a horse Amy Tyron road and placed in the Rolex a few years back has the same dad)
I am hoping for a hunter type as I ride hunters, but if he ends up being a jumper type I am fine with that too! I am too chicken for eventing.
He has been very independant since day one, so that must be a Roc thing!
Just have to say this baby thing is so much fun!
Yesterday I was cleaning his stall and he got in my space, so I forked him with the rake. He trotted off and got huffy, next thing I know, he took a running leap over the poop bucket and out of the stall and just stood there looking at me! Too funny. He certainly has a mind all his own!
Today the farrier came and it was his second trim ever and he was fabulous. Never moved once! Love him!:winkgrin:
He certainly likes to jump, now I just have 4 more years to see if he likes to do in undersaddle!
How is everyones Rocs doing? Any more updates? Pics?
Thought I’d throw this in on this thread. Did you guys see the results of the hunter breeding classes at Showplace this weekend? Not a bad showing for the Roc kids.:yes: Congrats to those of you with your own Roc babies.
I saw that! Congrats!
I can’t wait for March so I can represent Roc on the West Coast!
AND the judge told Nancy she’s breeding really good horses. How’s that for a compliment!?!??!!?
Congrats to all of you!!!
Great compliment!
Also showing this weekend was one of Roc’s older “kids”, Morocco.
Morocco showed in the 5 year old jumpers and with individual class placings ranging from 3rd to first, was the Champion of the Division.
Congratulations to all of the connections of these young horses on a very successful weekend
Ok. I have been thinking about this. Rocs oldest offspring are I think 7 this year. He already has numerous horse showing and winning in the jumper futurities as well as many young hunters out there, some showing in wellington doing quite well.
Why is it that he isn’t more popular then say, Westporte, or Popeye K or any of the other IHF stallions people are out there people are breeding to in droves?
The only difference to me is that Popeye, Wesporte, Cunningham are out there showing and doing well, but that says nothing about what they produce! It does fair well for soundness though, which is a plus!
Don’t get me wrong, I like all these stallions and think they all have strengths, but to me, I would rather breed to a stallion that is consistently putting performance horses out there!
I am on the West Coast and there aren’t many out here that have even considered Roc USA, and I am just wondering if I missed something?
I couldn’t have dreamed up a better colt that I got out of my Tb mare. The cross was fantastic!
To those of you who have Roc offspring, did I miss something? Is he not as great of a sire as I think he is?
I know that for me, both Cunningham and Popeye K would have an edge over Roc USA in the bloodlines category. Voltaire, Contender, and (to a slightly lesser extent-- although my personal favorite) Cassini I, have proven themselves outstanding progenitors of horses excelling at the very top levels in multiple disciplines: FEI dressage and jumping, as well as the top of the A circuit hunters.
While Idocus is a wonderful horse who is, IMO, throwing marvelous babies, including some very attractive stallion sons, he is a step removed from Voltaire on the top, and I don’t think his mare lines have quite the proven strength of the others’.
This is not meant as a criticism of either Roc or Idocus-- just a possible explanation of why (in addition to comparative show records), Roc may be underutilized. As has been repeatedly pointed out, it takes the combination of a lot of time/generations, combined with a readily accessible and reliable database, for excellent breeding stock first to be recognized and then well-established. You sought out Roc because you noticed and loved his offspring. I sought out Cunningham because I did the same with Cassini I’s and Contender’s, who are, along with Voltaire’s, kind of hard to beat when it comes to well documented and extensive success both nationally and internationally.
You know, Sam, I’m sure you’re right that other stallions are better known because of their own performance careers and people rightly reward performance as a “known” commodity. Unfortunately, Roc has not had that opportunity. However, as you point out, he’s siring really nice offspring and out of small foal crops is consistently producing horses that appear as though they will continue to do well in the show ring. Certainly all of the Roc offspring that I know and have worked with all show great athleticism and aptitude which hopefully will translate into successful performance careers as they mature.
The oldest Roc foals I know, personally, are 6 this year (mine is only four) but perhaps you know of one who’s 7? There are only a small handful of them out there, and the crop now 5 years old is, I think, maybe a dozen horses. Even if every one of those horses were out there and winning everything they went in, I think it would still take a while to make Roc a “household name” given that his offspring are a primary driver for his popularity but he’s getting there.
Look at it this way, you got in at the ground level
fish, you make a good point.
What about the damline though? You say Voltaire and Roc does have Voltaire, but as you said, it is pretty far down the line.
His damline is Galoubet, and how does this bloodline compare to Voltaire?
Just asking because I don’t know alot about any of this yet! I have heard that Voltaire and Galoubets can be a little on the hot side. All I know. But looking at Roc offspring, it is the opposite! I think one of the yearlings I saw was falling asleep in his class! (which isn’t good either, but better then running off with you I suppose)
Also, when looking at all this, how do you put a TB mare into the mix when breeding?
Thanks for the info!
As far as how old Roc offspring are this year, I remember in 2006 there was a Roc baby that was Champion in the 4 year old jumper stuff, so yes I suppose that would make the oldest crop 6 this year!
Just an update on all the Roc Happenings these past 2 weeks at the Wachovia Spring Spectacular Horse show at Lamplight…Morocco-Week 1 Champion in the 5 yr old jumpers, Week 2 Winner of the YJC 5 yr Class and 6th place in the 10,000 Low Jr/Amateur Classic. Rendezvous 22- 4th place in 5yr old YJC week 1 and 4th place week 2. Hunter Breeding Classes all Roc babies placed 1st and 2nd in Yearling and 2 yr old classes and 1st in 3 yr old class, Roc My World (2 yr old filly) Won best young horse 2 weeks in a row.
Roc is going to have a full sibling
He will have a full sibling in 2009. His dam has been bred back to Idocus and is confirmed in foal. The owner of his dam posted this info on another board. It’s a custom breeding for someone who is excited as to be expected. I would be too!
And there is no harm in an excellent PR campaign, either. There are plenty of people who make intelligent, well informed decisions in breeding to all these stallions, but a good PR campaign brings an element of "ooh, ooh ME TOO!" decisions out of the woodwork. That’s why good PR is so highly sought after by smart stallion managers.
I’m the lucky one who owns ROC’s full sibling for 2009. I hate to jinx anything until it’s on the ground, but the mare is confirmed in foal and doing great! Huge thanks to Zaffiro Farm for making this possible. I’m really very excited.
I also have an awesome ROC weanling (out of Nix’s former mare who I love) and rebred the same mare back to ROC. So there’s going to be a lot of that blood running around my farm next year, fingers crossed!
Oh my!! You are hitting the jackpot next year Harold! You get my favorite mare (man I miss her) and all those Roc babies… AND a full sibling! :eek:
You are so blessed.
I was looking at pictures when Ace was born! I can’t believe how much he has changed!
And, he is finally starting to trot! I may have my future hunter after all!
It is so funny seeing him with his mom. He is so big now!
He is a lot darker then mom too! He did get her face though.
Harold, that is so exciting. It will be interesting to see what the same cross produces! If I can manage to afford to buy my mare back I am for sure going to breed back to Roc!
I think Idocus may have been at the Oaks last week, I didn’t get to see him, but I did see that Brentina was there. (Olympic trials?)
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