Rolex Live Stream/Results/Comments thread

I don’t think it’s snark, I think the announcer was given a blurb to talk about and this one was one of the interesting ones. She’s well known and had a good ride.

I also don’t think that a rider commenting on the hard work the grounds crew had cut out to them was a low blow or a startled realization that other people are involved at horse trials but acknowledgement that it takes many hands. It’s like thanking the jump judges for doing their job. Just a nice thing. But then, I’m not part of the bash a rider of the month club and showing disappointment that a rider wasn’t injured is imo tasteless.

the announcer was Jon Kyle I am pretty sure. And NO rest for the weary! I did not notice him getting any 5 minute breaks for bathroom or lunch.

I watched all the stadium last night. Could Gina and Jon been worse jinxes if they tried?? I could not believe how many times they mentioned a rider having a clean round and two seconds later, a rail was down. Even when they mentioned the fans enjoying a day of sunshine after the bad XC weather, the skies opened up seconds later and everyone was scrambling for their umbrellas.

That seemed like a much more challenging course this year. It made for some very interesting viewing.

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It’s interesting too to hear the reaction to Lainey Ashker from the live feed announcer … she self-promotes, and it seems to invoke a lot of reaction. I just wonder if this has something to do with the culture of the sport, sort of a British “don’t make a fuss” attitude, or even worse, ladies don’t draw so much attention to yourself.

The male announcer for the live feed (sorry don’t recall his name) said numerous times about Lainey being “Queen of the Instagram,” commented that “she probably took a selfy” right after her ride, and so on. I really like her cams and other social media presentations, but it does seem there was some snarkiness to the amount of times this was mentioned.

What do others think? Just friendly teasing?[/QUOTE]

There was a video interview of her sometime during Rolex where they asked her about her online following. She cited some business classes teaching her about social media, talked about building an online presence, and mentioned that her “difficulties losing weight”(?) have made her more relatable.

[QUOTE=Kwill;8647359]
It’s interesting too to hear the reaction to Lainey Ashker from the live feed announcer … she self-promotes, and it seems to invoke a lot of reaction. I just wonder if this has something to do with the culture of the sport, sort of a British “don’t make a fuss” attitude, or even worse, ladies don’t draw so much attention to yourself.

The male announcer for the live feed (sorry don’t recall his name) said numerous times about Lainey being “Queen of the Instagram,” commented that “she probably took a selfy” right after her ride, and so on. I really like her cams and other social media presentations, but it does seem there was some snarkiness to the amount of times this was mentioned.

What do others think? Just friendly teasing?[/QUOTE]

To me it just sounded like he was commenting on how much she enjoys the entire Rolex experience. I didn’t hear any snark in it.

I thought it was mildly snarky, mildly sexist, mildly typical old white guy commentary. A bit “aren’t I clever I know what Instagram is.”

I find it interesting how much of the commentary was possible to take either really positively or really negatively, depending on how well you know rthe person speaking and whether you understand British humor. I really don’t think any of the commentary was intended to be negative but its really interesting how much came across that way this year vis a vis other years.

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It will be interesting to see how far Elisa Wallace can go. She’s pretty good with the social media and the mustang training gives her a hook with a larger audience. Whether that translates to additional opportunities after the current horse will be something to watch. It sets her apart from the crowd.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same thing. She’s very likable, an excellent horseman and rider, and presents herself well.

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I also don’t think that a rider commenting on the hard work the grounds crew had cut out to them was a low blow or a startled realization that other people are involved at horse trials but acknowledgement that it takes many hands. It’s like thanking the jump judges for doing their job. Just a nice thing. But then, I’m not part of the bash a rider of the month club and showing disappointment that a rider wasn’t injured is imo tasteless.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t hear the comment so no idea how it was said, but I agree, I don’t think the comment was rude or snarky. I don’t think anyone was disappointed that a rider (I’m assuming you mean ML) wasn’t injured.

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I watched all the stadium last night. Could Gina and Jon been worse jinxes if they tried?? I could not believe how many times they mentioned a rider having a clean round and two seconds later, a rail was down. Even when they mentioned the fans enjoying a day of sunshine after the bad XC weather, the skies opened up seconds later and everyone was scrambling for their umbrellas.
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I was thinking the same thing! :lol:

As the riders were coming through the last grid Jon would start talking away about their ‘final’ score and what place they were moving too … and then the rails would come down and he’d have to revise the whole thing!

When Jung came into the ring, Jon Kyle started crowning him king of the world right away. Basically gave him a clean round before he even started! Going on and on and on, would NOT shut up … then Gina joined in, she should know better … I had to shut the sound off. I hadn’t been nervous for Jung until Jon and Gina kept talking over his round. Not only did it make it impossible to enjoy the round, I was also thinking that if Jung had a disaster round and didn’t win, Kyle would be blamed for taking away the Grand Slam! :yes: :winkgrin:

I actually loved their commentary all weekend … until about the last 10 riders in show jumping. Then I wanted to reach through the live feed and snatch the microphones away from both of them! :winkgrin:

Some interesting perspectives posted on what it takes to build a string of 4* horses and sponsors. Thanks so much for the link to the wsj article!

I suspect there are also other factors in building a stable of owners, as well as horses, who will back a pro rider up through the 4* level. I have wondered if learning the practical skills needed to handle such a program at an early point in one’s career doesn’t make a big difference.

Buck has a lot of support for UL horses - he grew up in one of the barns that created the system.

Phillip has a model of the system. Boyd learned from Phillip. Ryan learned from Boyd. Ryan comes to his first 4* with three horses. Boyd comes with three horses almost every time.

As has been pointed out, several ladies have benefited from the mentorship of KOC. But I wonder if the women generally are less plugged into the mentorship network?

Also: U.S. top-tier riders have said a lot about how hard it is to both market themselves and keep their programs going at the same time. They have a lot of away time doing clinics, which are essential for both income and making contacts. (Some 4* owners/sponsors started as students.) That means that they have to be able to manage a system back at home that keeps the horses ridden, and ridden well. And, managed properly by people who know what to do about all the little things that happen. That’s not something a pro knows how to do intuitively - they have to learn it from someone else, or from hard experience.

And - I wonder if women eventing pros don’t also frequently adopt a different model for their careers. I can think of a number of female eventers, who have ridden at 4*, who have a fairly large loyal, even loving, following, students and families who offer them a solid base and a good income, who lesson, event, buy horses, board, etc. BUT - it is all about the student, not so much the pro.

These students pay the female pro to ride their horse - and then return said horse to the student to ride. The pro is always making up horses for other people, not for themselves.

Being a 4* owner means paying for someone else to ride at the highest levels. I think that at this point in time, many more loyal followers pay women pros to ride horses for the student, not the pro.

Do these female pros actually want a different business model that would give them a 4* string? If they are making a reliable living working for their students, it may be hard to step out into the realm of sponsors who pay them to ride for themselves. Of course a syndicate helps, but if a sponsor walks away, there may be less of a fallback than losing one student out of many.

Just some observations. :slight_smile:

I would really like to see a study of how the 4* strings are built and maintained, and what is in common between the pros with those strings. I think that would be useful for younger riders dreaming of riding at the top.

is it possible that many women still want to have a child, so in the, say 25-35 age group, so owners are afraid to invest in them, and have them fall in love with the baby. Not saying it is so, but a lot of women may not realize how much they do want that baby.

Another killer of threads is right. This conversation just turned so heavy.

Seriously? Not every woman is baby-baby-baby…

Making excuses for sexism is almost as bad as actual sexism.

hey, I’m not baby baby either but SOME are. I didn’t mean to turn the conversation. Carry on please.

Is Wofford still doing his Rolex predictions? Where can you read it? I used to always buy that issue to read on the trip to KY. and then re-read on the way home.

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Seriously? Not every woman is baby-baby-baby…[/QUOTE]

Sometimes life happens and then you’ve added another layer to the mix. And if you don’t have a support staff able to do all the riding for you for 6+ months - you’ve got yourself a big problem if you have owners with horses who need to be out earning their keep.

It’s a reality for women across all career paths, really.

it is in the preview edition. Funny, he got almost all correct except he couldn’t see Tim or Colleen’s withdrawal. He even mentioned PD had a chance to get three in the top ten. He picked LK and MB and I know the after commentary he talks about the difference between all other mortals and MJ.

What is the issue date of the COTH Rolex preview, with Wofford’s breakdown?

I remember discussing his predictions in the late 90’s on that old listserv, eventers-l – anybody else around from or remember that???

Ok, looks like it was Apr. 25 – got it!