WTF is wrong with loving you kid if you’re a mom. Would our female athletes ‘get away’ with headlining their Baby Nox every chance they had? Nope they’d be accused of being all baby baby baby.
Gosh, this thread is taking a sad spin. Exactly why Boyd & PD have the strings they do. Buck too. Another one who has been all baby baby baby but it’s A OK for him.
Other than Jessica Phoenix, how many current NA 4* female event riders have birthed babies?
Colleen Rutledge has.
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Colleen Rutledge has.[/QUOTE]
True. I forgot her. She’s special in many, many ways.
Bunnie Sexton and Gina Miles, granted Gina isn’t currently at the 4* level.
Bunnie is not a team contender and she may be a bit older, but she put in the work to get to and complete Rolex while having a family and a business/event facility to run.
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WTF is wrong with loving you kid if you’re a mom. Would our female athletes ‘get away’ with headlining their Baby Nox every chance they had? Nope they’d be accused of being all baby baby baby.
Gosh, this thread is taking a sad spin. Exactly why Boyd & PD have the strings they do. Buck too. Another one who has been all baby baby baby but it’s A OK for him.[/QUOTE]
They can be all baby baby baby because they don’t have the physical challenge of having birthed said child, so they can still ride 10 horses the day after the kid is born. Mom, not so much. They can have as many kids as they want because it doesn’t cost them almost a year of their career every time one is born. That’s the male advantage.
If I recall, Boyd’s constant string of injuries has put him in something of a similar position.
It can be done, I doubt that’s the reason why.
Off the current direction of this thread, but going back to the actual results wanted to give a little hat-tip to Barb Crabo and Eveready. IIRC, she has attempted 4-5 4* with this horse and never finished, but done a bit better every year. I admit, I thought she was a bit crazy to keep trying (at what point, a la Alison & Arthur, do you say “this horse is telling me something and I need to start listening”?) but she’s improved steadily, went to Europe, did her homework… And last weekend she finally got her 4* finish with her longtime partner. Persistence paid off.
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Off the current direction of this thread, but going back to the actual results wanted to give a little hat-tip to Barb Crabo and Eveready. IIRC, she has attempted 4-5 4* with this horse and never finished, but done a bit better every year. I admit, I thought she was a bit crazy to keep trying (at what point, a la Alison & Arthur, do you say “this horse is telling me something and I need to start listening”?) but she’s improved steadily, went to Europe, did her homework… And last weekend she finally got her 4* finish with her longtime partner. Persistence paid off.[/QUOTE]
I really admire her for that. No excuses, no pity party. Just hard work and persistence. And a bit of luck which always helps in this sport.
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Other than Jessica Phoenix, how many current NA 4* female event riders have birthed babies?[/QUOTE]
This is a good place to remind everyone that the US is a very special country in that it doesn’t provide any kind of paid maternity allowance. (The FMLA provides only unpaid leave.)
Almost every other country – civilized or uncivilized, democratic or otherwise, first-word or third-world – provides some sort of safety net for pre- and post-pregnancy. If you’re wondering who else doesn’t: Liberia, Swaziland, Lesotho and Papua New Guinea. That’s great company, USA.
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This is a good place to remind everyone that the US is a very special country in that it doesn’t provide any kind of paid maternity allowance. (The FMLA provides only unpaid leave.)
Almost every other country – civilized or uncivilized, democratic or otherwise, first-word or third-world – provides some sort of safety net for pre- and post-pregnancy. If you’re wondering who else doesn’t: Liberia, Swaziland, Lesotho and Papua New Guinea. That’s great company, USA.[/QUOTE]
True, but if you are a pro and self-employed, how is this going to help? Or does the government and not your employer pay for maternity leave? And it doesn’t eliminate the need for time off and loss of fitness.
You can purchase insurance that will pay you while on maternity leave.
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True, but if you are a pro and self-employed, how is this going to help? Or does the government and not your employer pay for maternity leave? And it doesn’t eliminate the need for time off and loss of fitness.[/QUOTE]
The government generally pays. Often higher ranked employers in the country also supplement that, so a self employed person might get less, but the number is greater than 0 that the US provides.
But when your job is as an athlete, the pay isn’t the issue, it’s the time out of the saddle. The government can’t make somebody have your baby for you, your body still has to do it and recover from it.
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does the government and not your employer pay for maternity leave? [/QUOTE]
Yes, the government does, and some companies provide a “top-up,” i.e., extra on top of mandatory mat. leave. (I’m Canadian, and have never taken a mat leave 
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But when your job is as an athlete, the pay isn’t the issue, it’s the time out of the saddle. The government can’t make somebody have your baby for you, your body still has to do it and recover from it.[/QUOTE]
You can time your pregnancy to fit with a competition or training schedule. This happens all the time in the world of sport but it does take some planning.
Having a maternity allowance, childcare benefit or places, paternity leave, and reasonable health care expenses all make having children much easier for working women. It’s not like the US doesn’t have money – as I write this, the CIA is spending over $1 billion per year trying to take down the Assad government in Syria and the unaccountable ‘black budget’ of the intel agencies runs to over $50 billion per year. But hey, priorities, right?
Jessica Phoenix had her two at the beginning of the year, I believe one is in April and the other is in May?
She had back up riders for when she was too pregnant to do much more near the end. Depending on the rider, their situation and want to continue to ride is also another factor.
In Canada we are lucky to have Maternity Leave, but equestrians tend to get right back in the saddle not long after. JP was days after with Jacob and a few weeks after with Jordan.
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This is a good place to remind everyone that the US is a very special country in that it doesn’t provide any kind of paid maternity allowance. (The FMLA provides only unpaid leave.) Almost every other country – civilized or uncivilized, democratic or otherwise, first-word or third-world – provides some sort of safety net for pre- and post-pregnancy. If you’re wondering who else doesn’t: Liberia, Swaziland, Lesotho and Papua New Guinea. That’s great company, USA.
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Having a maternity allowance, childcare benefit or places, paternity leave, and reasonable health care expenses all make having children much easier for working women. It’s not like the US doesn’t have money – as I write this, the CIA is spending over $1 billion per year trying to take down the Assad government in Syria and the unaccountable ‘black budget’ of the intel agencies runs to over $50 billion per year. But hey, priorities, right?[/QUOTE]
And herein lies one of many problems in our very special country. Not only this, but the self-employed do not have health insurance provided or disability in the case of injury or illness… making it even more difficult to be a professional equestrian. Thank you JER.
Times now posted for Dressage at Badminton:
https://www.badminton-horse.co.uk/index.php/dressage-start-list-2016/
Good luck to the three Americans competing! Libby Head (Sir Rockstar), Buck Davidson (The Apprentice) and Boyd Martin (Cracker Jack).
Also enjoying the commentary on live streaming Badminton Radio (free) at
https://www.badminton-horse.co.uk/
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Times now posted for Dressage at Badminton:
https://www.badminton-horse.co.uk/index.php/dressage-start-list-2016/
Good luck to the three Americans competing! Libby Head (Sir Rockstar), Buck Davidson (The Apprentice) and Boyd Martin (Cracker Jack).
Also enjoying the commentary on live streaming Badminton Radio (free) at
https://www.badminton-horse.co.uk/[/QUOTE]
What! Back to horses? What are you thinking!
Speaking of horses, I read somewhere (and can’t find it again) that Jung’s actually not pointing either FischerRocana or his wonderful Sam for Rio, but rather still another top horse, FischerTakinou! Kind of amazing…:winkgrin:
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