Runhappy's trainer fired day after Breeder's Cup

Just have to weigh in - twitter IS social media, as is this forum. Anywhere people in groups discuss topics online or via any electronic means is defined as “social media” Different TYPES of social media have different norms for communication, but if you have more than one person and an electronic communication source (that’s kind of a broad definition, but you get the idea) it is defined as social media.

Some common platforms are Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram, but there are so many out there that they are grouped by TYPE (content, user base, etc) more than platform.

Where did your post go LHU?

I was going to say that since I don’t understand twitter, it’s hard for me to understand if the trainer indeed made a mistake by “tweeting” or not.
Her comments weren’t hateful, just emotional, and not what I guess your usual trainer would do? :confused:

Of course, for all I know, it may be common for trainers “tweet”.

Anyway, I hope she gets a chance to train again and I do think the behavior of the owner is classless at best.

Would all of this hoopla have hit social media if MM had told her that he would be moving his horse 1 or 2 weeks after the BC? Probably not. It is the timing more than the decision itself which has people up in arms.

Clearly MM is an uncouth, hard to get along with, SOB. He has gone through trainers by the dozens (some he fired, some told him to get his horses out of their barn), but there must be lots left who will ignore his history and quickly agree to take on such a wonderful horse. Whoever gets the horse will have to watch his back because he will know that the horse could leave his barn on a moment’s notice.

It is the timing and the way MM did it (having his “racing manager” fire her and then not returning calls) is what people find so offensive (include me in that number).

The guy is an unmitigated asshat. One can only wish he runs out of money and leaves the racing world. I do not think that anyone will be sorry to see him go.

-- Did anyone else see the TVG anchors discussing this?  Simon Bray had the same thing done to him, evidently.  An owner took a horse away (or all his horses?) shortly after a Simon-trained horse had won a G1 race.  In Simon's case, people gave him horses to train because they felt bad that this had happened to such a nice guy.  But, the horses he got were the "leftovers" from other trainers and all they did was fill up the stalls in his barn.  This is how and why he came to be an anchor at TVG.

After hearing him talk about it I can remember back to how surprised I was to see such a successful trainer become a broadcaster.  Interesting to hear the 'backstory'.

I heard that! He seemed quite angry about it, still.

I agree , it’s the timing that has people upset. Especially considering all the pre-race publicity, it was a nasty way to behave.

[QUOTE=Lord Helpus;8387019]
Would all of this hoopla have hit social media if MM had told her that he would be moving his horse 1 or 2 weeks after the BC? Probably not. It is the timing more than the decision itself which has people up in arms.

Clearly MM is an uncouth, hard to get along with, SOB. He has gone through trainers by the dozens (some he fired, some told him to get his horses out of their barn), but there must be lots left who will ignore his history and quickly agree to take on such a wonderful horse. Whoever gets the horse will have to watch his back because he will know that the horse could leave his barn on a moment’s notice.

It is the timing and the way MM did it (having his “racing manager” fire her and then not returning calls) is what people find so offensive (include me in that number).

The guy is an unmitigated asshat. One can only wish he runs out of money and leaves the racing world. I do not think that anyone will be sorry to see him go.

-- Did anyone else see the TVG anchors discussing this?  Simon Bray had the same thing done to him, evidently.  An owner took a horse away (or all his horses?) shortly after a Simon-trained horse had won a G1 race.  In Simon's case, people gave him horses to train because they felt bad that this had happened to such a nice guy.  But, the horses he got were the "leftovers" from other trainers and all they did was fill up the stalls in his barn.  This is how and why he came to be an anchor at TVG.

After hearing him talk about it I can remember back to how surprised I was to see such a successful trainer become a broadcaster.  Interesting to hear the 'backstory'.[/QUOTE]

And this is not the least of it for Simon and his family.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/92751/tvgs-simon-bray-diagnosed-with-cancer

I think Maria is taking the high road as best as possible… understandably the twitter outbursts were probably not the best course, but she does appear now to have her act together.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/horses/breeders/2015/11/03/borell-acted-best-interests-runhappy/75092814/

I will look forward to seeing how Runhappy does on Dec 26th…

[QUOTE=Shammy Davis;8387123]
And this is not the least of it for Simon and his family.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/92751/tvgs-simon-bray-diagnosed-with-cancer[/QUOTE]

Oh, that’s unfortunate and it explains a lot about his demeanor during the discussion.

[QUOTE=Pony+ an inch;8387172]
I think Maria is taking the high road as best as possible… understandably the twitter outbursts were probably not the best course, but she does appear now to have her act together.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/horses/breeders/2015/11/03/borell-acted-best-interests-runhappy/75092814/

I will look forward to seeing how Runhappy does on Dec 26th…[/QUOTE]

I won’t. Only because I have no confidence in the furniture store “trainer” and will have concerns about his fitness to run.

Hopefully the owner will find a proper trainer. If they don’t or if they refuse to listen to a trainer, I have a feeling they will run the horse without regard and I don’t want to see that.

[QUOTE=gumtree;8385675]
I am sure my comment is not going to be very popular. But I have been around the block more than a few times and I live in the real world. Put on the long paints a long time ago. Do I feel bad for her? Sure but that’s life.

If she didn’t know Mattress Mack’s PPs shame on her. He has gone through just about every trainer in the book. He has “fired” much higher profile trainers then her over the years. A friend of mine got a string of horses from him last year. They lasted about 10 months. As he said about 9 months longer than expected.

No disrespect intended but she needs to suck it up, stop the whining and put on the long paints. Going “public” over this is NOT going to help her in the long run. Trust me I know what I am talking about. This isn’t “Romper Room”. This is the big leagues. It’s easy to be a fish, big or small in the local pond. Completely different when you “swim” in the ocean full of sharks.

Look at this way and she should too. M-M has deep pockets and buys nice horses. The chances of her getting those kind of horses from “nicer” owners would have been slim to none. I know people that can train circles around her and have been for years. But a trainer is only as good as the horses that are given to them. Most will never get a shot at the “golden ring”. She did and she got “two rings” so instead of pissing and moaning perhaps she should feel a little grateful.

I’m not saying the guy wasn’t a jerk about the way he went about it. For all we know she might have already been told things were going to change after the race. Maybe she thought he would reconsider after winning. I’ve made people millions as a Bloodstock agent and got screwed many times. By some people that are considered “beyond reproach”. “Names” that lot of people on this forum think are the “cats meow”. Nature of the beast.

It’s his money, his check book and his ball and jacks. That’s how it works in the real world. Horses or business. I have worked for some VERY successful people. They didn’t get to where they are by being Mr. or Mrs. “nice guy”.
Life’s not fair. Everyone does not get a blue ribbon for just showing up.

I’ve done some business with them. His racing manager/sister in=law is not an idiot, can be a bit “flakey” at times. But I knew their “form” and watched my back. I have her cell phone number if anyone what’s to call her and give her a “piece of their mind”.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you but I’m still outraged because it was a nice story. Maybe I should have been wary because “nice” and Mattress Mac generally aren’t in the same time zones together.

My solace is that he and his crew are so goofy and so incompetent, they don’t have much to show for all of the money they spent over the years. This is their crowning achievement --a BC Sprint winner by a hot young sire–and I’m pretty confident that they will get the horse beat and piss it away.

Anyway we still had a chance to see American Pharaoh go out on top and Songbird absolutely freak. Not to mention traditional Mongolian garb in the winner’s circle at Keeneland. That alone might have been worth the price of admission on Saturday.

[QUOTE=Shammy Davis;8386590]
Gumtree: I didn’t mean to hit such a sensitive nerve. As a young Marine infantryman I served in Vietnam. Most Marines will tell you that the movie A FEW GOOD MEN was an entertaining screenplay but hardly representative of the USMC.

I can handle the truth despite what you think. I have been around the block too. Your point about neighborhoods is well taken but a block in one area is different than another.

Colonel Jessup is a pure fictional character who played the role of a myopic leader who lived in his own isolated and deranged world. Surely you can’t believe the Colonel is an appropriate lead in to your response on this issue. Interesting connection your post makes with the Colonel. I guess if I disagreed with him he’d march off to the barracks and beat up on a few recruits.

The point might be better made that we each seek our goals via different paths. It appears you assume that you are the last word on the map we follow or the directions we get. Shame on you.[/QUOTE]

Lol, no you did not “hit a nerve”. Pretty hard for someone to get me “edgy” on an internet forum. Maybe when I first started “hanging around” this forum. I was “taught” years ago when writing a response letter “sit on it” overnight before mailing. Reread the next day and edit out the four letter words.

In other words don’t open with “Jane you ignorant slut” (from an old SNL skit The Evening News with Jane Curtain and Dan Aykroyd)

My friends and I like to quote from movies. The “quotes” don’t necessarily have anything to do with the “premise” of the movie taken from. They “fit” the discussion/banter

“Interesting connection your post makes with the Colonel”

You’re reading “between the lines” where there is nothing to be “read”. My friends and I say this to each other when we are debating something. It has nothing to do with the movie. I referenced/attributed, the quote to the movie so as not to be accused of plagiarism.

It was not directed at you. I guess I hit a nerve?

Most movies fiction or not are “Hollywooded” I would like to believe the majority of people know that A Few Good Men is complete fiction. It is still a good movie. Most of “real life” stories would make a boring movie.

“The point might be better made that we each seek our goals via different paths. It appears you assume that you are the last word on the map we follow or the directions we get. Shame on you.”

I learned a long time ago not to “assume” anything. Considering the direction this thread took right from the start based on one side of the story from “the poor young girl”. Before the rest of the story come out. Which it is. I think it is safe to say a lot of people have made “assumptions”.

I merely pointed out there are other ways to look at it. Which I have done many times.

I don’t “post to boast”. I devote a bit of my very little free time to pass on what I have learned as an “insider”. There are things I can talk about and there are things I will not talk about. I am not here to be the “resident expert”. I let a lot of BS pass by. Not enough time in the day.

I will not take a position on something I know little to nothing about. I use IMO extensively. I’ve been very fortune to have been taken under the wing of some really great people over the years. If passing on what I have learned to those who are “students” of the game/industry makes me pompous. So be it. I guess that would make teachers, mentors the same. Not that I am claiming to be either.

The beauty of discussion forums verses a “one on one” is the fact we can “scroll on” and not worry about offending someone.

[QUOTE=skydy;8386530]
Don’t get mad Gumtree. We love you, even when you’re pompous.:wink: :smiley:

I’m sure the trainer will learn from this experience. She can’t have gotten this far without being fairly tough.

The “social media” excess (as I see it) of today is unpleasant to me and I don’t participate, so I really have no idea whether the trainer was out of line with her “tweet” comments or not. If she said the same to a person, her comments don’t seem so out of line.

It seems as if tweeting is just “speaking” to many people at once.
I would think that if potential employers of this trainer don’t want to be discussed, all they need do is make that clear to her.

You wouldn’t think it would be necessary, but in this day and age with young(er) people, it probably is.[/QUOTE]

“We love you, even when you’re pompous.;)”

I think my wife feels the same way.

It is easy to misinterpret someone’s “vernacular” with just the written word. No body languish, voice to go with it.

It seems more of the story is unfolding. A good example of “people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”. Now her dirty laundry is out there for everyone to look at.

Which was the reason for my first “controversial” comment. Not as much directed at “her” but for people to think about in any given situation.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/borell-runhappys-owners-only-care-about-the-money/

[QUOTE=gumtree;8388086]
It seems more of the story is unfolding. A good example of “people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones”. Now her dirty laundry is out there for everyone to look at.

Which was the reason for my first “controversial” comment. Not as much directed at “her” but for people to think about in any given situation.

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s-paddock/borell-runhappys-owners-only-care-about-the-money/[/QUOTE]

I am confused. Is your point that the trainer had some financial issues when this horse was given to her to train?

If that is your point it seems to me to not be that dirty of laundry.

Gumtree: I am so relieved that I did not hit a nerve. I can get some sleep now. Last night I had a nightmare that your next response was going to be replete with quotes from ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO’S NEST, TOP GUN and LION IN WINTER.

You can get back to mucking stalls, whipping those juveniles into shape, and putting your pompous butt to a saddle. Wear your flak jacket. Don’t forget to post the Wohler and Gill cell numbers. I’ve only got a few years left to add to my bucket list. Semper Fidelis.

“Why have they run through so many trainers? “All of them were public trainers, except for one,” said Linda McIngvale. They don’t want an owner telling them what to do. So instead of fighting public trainers, we decided to go private.”"

Maybe if they actually listened the the trainers they fired, they might have had more success at the track.

[QUOTE=Palm Beach;8386040]
I’m throwing a flag on the play for overuse of quotation marks. Both offense and defense, penalties offset.[/QUOTE]

It does get quite painful to the senses.

[QUOTE=SnicklefritzG;8388144]
Maybe if they actually listened the the trainers they fired, they might have had more success at the track.[/QUOTE]

I keep thinking if they know so much more than these very successful trainers, why don’t they train the horses themselves? Maybe they are going to do this now. :lol:

I know the racing manager trained Runhappy before. With her, he won a maiden race, finished off the board in a Grade 3 race, and got an injury. Not nearly as good as Maria.

[QUOTE=Palm Beach;8386610]
When working at Gulfstream in the 1990s, there was a top trainer who would jog his horses the day after a race. I cannot remember who it was, but the theory was that light exercise was more beneficial than just walking the shed. Of course, this was on a case by case basis, and if there was a physical issue then the horse walked. The guy I worked for walked the day after, jogged the next day, and walked the next day.[/QUOTE]

I think Bill Mott did it/maybe still does it. We had a filly with him and I remember seeing horses jog the day after they ran.

[QUOTE=Shammy Davis;8386590]
Gumtree: I didn’t mean to hit such a sensitive nerve. As a young Marine infantryman I served in Vietnam.

Thank you for your service.

[QUOTE=Shammy Davis;8386590]
Gumtree: I didn’t mean to hit such a sensitive nerve. As a young Marine infantryman I served in Vietnam.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for your service.