[QUOTE=florida foxhunter;5547307]
Has anyone had or seen or had a 95% white horse from a Sabino to Sabino cross?[/QUOTE]
sire:
http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/?action=view¤t=BoomertrotOct05-1.jpg
mares and his foals:
http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/?action=view¤t=BoomerJuniorJuly07005.jpg
http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/?action=view¤t=Lily2mos.jpg
[QUOTE=camohn;5547383]
sire:
http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/?action=view¤t=BoomertrotOct05-1.jpg
mares and his foals:
http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/?action=view¤t=BoomerJuniorJuly07005.jpg
http://s82.photobucket.com/albums/j276/camohn03/?action=view¤t=Lily2mos.jpg[/QUOTE]
Otherwise known as, “time to buy stock in Quic Silver shampoo…”
Thanks JB and TC!!! I know a bit about color genetics of socks and you both wrote kind of what I was feeling. That RdS’s socks were more level, with not the really jagged nature of sabino socks (but slight jags).
And also supported what I thought about the dam (and full brother of the dam) and their ermine vs RdS’s lack of ermine.
FWIW, I am breeding this mare to him this year. So if he is Ee (not sure), then I might get a chestnut with a lot more chrome.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze85onr/panache.html</a>
PS - so how does splash breed? I know sabino is variable, sometimes it shows up in very loud markings, other times it does not. I don’t know much about spash.
[QUOTE=Edgewood;5547422]
Thanks JB and TC!!! I know a bit about color genetics of socks and you both wrote kind of what I was feeling. That RdS’s socks were more level, with not the really jagged nature of sabino socks (but slight jags).
And also supported what I thought about the dam (and full brother of the dam) and their ermine vs RdS’s lack of ermine.
FWIW, I am breeding this mare to him this year. So if he is Ee (not sure), then I might get a chestnut with a lot more chrome.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze85onr/panache.html</a>
PS - so how does splash breed? I know sabino is variable, sometimes it shows up in very loud markings, other times it does not. I don’t know much about spash.[/QUOTE]
Splash + splash can have some VERY loud results! It is a fascinating gene.
This website has some amazing examples of how minimal heterozygous splash is and how loud homozygous splash can be.
http://www.morgancolors.com/splashwhite.htm
You do have a chance for some bling with that proposed cross. The mare’s hind socks are reminiscent of splash.
All in all though I think your mare + that stallion is going to = a gorgeous foal no matter the color!
This is one of my favorite examples of two minimal splashes producing a loud foal. This filly was born at a barn nearby and I got to see her in person.
Dam:
http://cdn.pimpmyspace.org/media/pms/c/4t/tf/fj/f40b328c.jpg
Sire:
http://www.4thepaddock.com/investment-signal
Foal:
http://static.equine.com/listing_images/1/0/5/1055840_13946151_hd.jpg
Lots of great information here, thank you all
JB, my filly is out of Glenhill’s mare Delimain and by Norsire’s stallion Zillionair. I do not want all white so I’m glad to hear that I can breed her to a sabino/splash stallion and not get all white. She is going to Romantic Star this year and then will have a little under saddle career before being bred again.
I have a flashy Balou colt that may or may not stay in tact depending upon how he looks and acts as he grows up. He is chestnut with three high socks, a big blaze, a little white belly spot and white spot on the inside of his solid hock. He compliments her well so if he does manage to stay in tact and makes it through the 70-day test that is an option for a few years down the road.
Thanks again,
Sheila
This will be interesting. The chestnut is quite minimal, so either doesn’t have the “magnifying” genetics, or has suppression genetics. I think the chances are less of getting louder markings.
PS - so how does splash breed? I know sabino is variable, sometimes it shows up in very loud markings, other times it does not. I don’t know much about spash.
All the Overo patterns - Splash, Frame, Sabino - are in the same category of “who the heck knows?” LOL 2 minimals can produce very loud, 2 louds can produce solid, and pick any other combination you like.
Certain horses are very, very prepotent for producing more white. Popeye K’s kids nearly always have high whites and good face white. Yes, there are the more minimals, even the solids, but given the general look, I blame the mares for that white suppression :lol: The fact that PK is a black-based horse AND has so much white means he REALLY had a lot of white in there, which explains why he passes it on so frequently.
Oh nice one!!
I believe it was Showjumper66 here who had something similar happen but for some stupid reason I can never, ever remember her foal’s name to find him out there 
Why thank you! 
I think it will be a nice cross. He is a young stallion, but has a ton of potential given the athletic nature of his relatives.
[quote=TaliaCristianna;5547470]This is one of my favorite examples of two minimal splashes producing a loud foal. This filly was born at a barn nearby and I got to see her in person.
Dam:
http://cdn.pimpmyspace.org/media/pms/c/4t/tf/fj/f40b328c.jpg
Sire:
http://www.4thepaddock.com/investment-signal
Foal:
http://static.equine.com/listing_images/1/0/5/1055840_13946151_hd.jpg
[/quote]
Holly cow! I certainly wasn’t expecting to see that much white after looking at the stallion and mare! Wow!:eek:
[QUOTE=JB;5547490]
Oh nice one!!
I believe it was Showjumper66 here who had something similar happen but for some stupid reason I can never, ever remember her foal’s name to find him out there :([/QUOTE]
I think that filly’s base color is just as fascinating as the white! Although she doesn’t have stripes, I have never seen a better mimic of grulla.
[QUOTE=Edgewood;5547494]
Why thank you! I think it will be a nice cross. He is a young stallion, but has a ton of potential given the athletic nature of his relatives.[/QUOTE]
He is a very striking young stallion. Lots of eye-appeal and I love the nice, compact frame. Both he and the mare look quite powerful. It will be an exciting cross!
Do chestnut ermines mean anything? FWIW, the mare I posted has one on her “low” right hind sock
http://mysite.verizon.net/imagelib/sitebuilder/misc/show_image.html?linkedwidth=actual&linkpath=http://mysite.verizon.net/vze85onr/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Panache-FJ-8crop.jpg&target=tlx_picpjm0
Romantic Star has a history of more minimally marked black-based foals and more loudly marked red-based foals, which is totally expected. But even his chestnut foals are not LOUD - just have high(er) whites like this one
So, I’d fully expect a foal from this cross to follow that same pattern. I don’t think you’re in ANY danger of anything close to all white LOL
I have a flashy Balou colt that may or may not stay in tact depending upon how he looks and acts as he grows up. He is chestnut with three high socks, a big blaze, a little white belly spot and white spot on the inside of his solid hock. He compliments her well so if he does manage to stay in tact and makes it through the 70-day test that is an option for a few years down the road.
Thanks again,
Sheila
The Balou family is quite famous for putting a good bit of white on. You’re more likely to get more white with that cross, but again, not likely to get something extremely loud 
Sure she’s not smoky black?
If you believe this theory, and I fully do, ermines or distal spots (ermines not on the foot) are indicative of white suppression, period. And that fits in this mare too - as a chestnut one would easily expect her to have more white than this.
[QUOTE=JB;5547511]
Sure she’s not smoky black?[/QUOTE]
They advertise her as a sooty buckskin. I don’t know if she has ever actually been color tested though so smoky black is a definite possibility.
Even so - she would absolutely be the WEIRDEST smoky black I have ever seen. Her color is very hard to describe. It’s like someone spray painted a buckskin with metallic gray paint. She has a golden blond buckskin sheen that peeks through throughout her body. The true intensity of the gold doesn’t show through very well in that photo.
If only I had $5k laying around… I could buy her and test her!
Ah, good to know. I wasn’t certain if the ermine thing was just for black based or also red based.
FWIW, my mare is a grand daughter of Gold Luck (4 stockings and blaze, sabino) and this Weltmeyer mare
http://www.rollingstonefarm.com/listman/listings/images/130_2.jpg
This is my mare’s mother (out of Gold luck and the mare in the link just above)
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze85onr/ghlycerine.html
So, all in all, in these chestnut horses the amount of white seems to be declining in each generation. My mare only has a tiny star (vs her mom’s large star and grandparents blazes) and her socks are shorter than her dam’s.
How cool. I wonder if she’s a really dark sooty smoky brown then, which would explain the gold sheen.
Very interesting to see the progressive decline, and certainly does point to the suppression factor as well!
[QUOTE=JB;5547546]
How cool. I wonder if she’s a really dark sooty smoky brown then, which would explain the gold sheen.[/QUOTE]
That’s the way I am leaning. Super dark sooty smoky brown. Even then it is still a weird expression of it. It’s VERY unique.
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