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#441

OTOH, without concerned people, how many animal abuse cases would go unnoticed? Not all all saying that she abused her horses, to clarify.

Heck, I’ve reported a mare and new born foal (umbilical still attached) left out in the rain with no shelter.

Another horse in a nearby town that was nothing but skin and bones. Could have been old? Yes.
I think the poster Misty Blue might know which horse I’m referring to.

A goat that was housed in a box no bigger than a darn chicken coop.

A dog tied day and night to a dog house and I never saw water/food dishes near his housing.

But, the animals have no choice and no voice. I’d rather call Animal Control and let them decide. Better safe than let a poor animal suffer.

#442

[QUOTE=SmokenMirrors;5148706]

A few say she has fibro and can’t get around as well. If that is the point, then why have as many horses to take care of? She should know her limits and her problems that are medical and act accordingly, not say well I have this and continue to have more than she can take care of.[/QUOTE]

As someone with fibro myself, I’d like to point out that adjusting to having a chronic debilitating condition does not happen overnight. You also get no warning, no one sends you a letter that says “Hey, better downsize your farm now, because next year you’re going to feel like a cripple!” It takes time to figure out what your new limits are, and they vary with everything from treatment, to stress, to the weather. And sometimes if you take good care of yourself for a little bit, you can handle a few days of say, building run-ins and fixing fence, but those days don’t always come when you need them to.

No, that’s no excuse to have animals suffering, but I can see how things could get out of hand. Personally, while none of my horses have their needs neglected, I do have a 12 year old retiree who’s basically retired because I don’t have the energy anymore to work an enormous lazy draft horse.

#443

Whoops, much, much more recent than I thought. Stallion was out with a mare as late as September 10th:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272256

So to those of you saying “there are no foals running around there”… there very well could be pregnant mares approaching winter running around there…

#444

[QUOTE=Wayside;5148790]
As someone with fibro myself, I’d like to point out that adjusting to having a chronic debilitating condition does not happen overnight. You also get no warning, no one sends you a letter that says “Hey, better downsize your farm now, because next year you’re going to feel like a cripple!” It takes time to figure out what your new limits are, and they vary with everything from treatment, to stress, to the weather. And sometimes if you take good care of yourself for a little bit, you can handle a few days of say, building run-ins and fixing fence, but those days don’t always come when you need them to.

No, that’s no excuse to have animals suffering, but I can see how things could get out of hand. Personally, while none of my horses have their needs neglected, I do have a 12 year old retiree who’s basically retired because I don’t have the energy anymore to work an enormous lazy draft horse.[/QUOTE]

With so much information on fibro how can one be ignorant to what can and does happen with this? It seems that this illness is a catch all for someone who wants an excuse to get out of something, it also seems EVERYONE has fibro now a days. I am NOT saying your in this category as I don’t know your situation but when does someone stop blaming everything and then some and take personal responsibility for what they have let spiral out of control?

Was there NOT any signs she was letting things go? Come on, if this woman was as intelligent as some say, then even she has to know how she kept her horses was not a good way and her saying she has worked with other stallions, were those farms as run down and tired as her place looked? It’s time she stopped making excuses and face the music. And going to the WEG takes money, something that she should of used to fix and mend and do for herself and her place instead of going there.

#445

Good post five horses - I am in no way trying to make out PP to be an abuser, no way…

I’m not all that familiar with her or her posts, only with what I searched for.

I’m in CT and we get some nasty winters, I can only imagine what ME must be like. Plus the care taking involved with several horses, alone, in the winter must be very difficult.

Sorry folks, but instead of spending money on expense of breeding, prenatal mare care, foal care, etc.
(If that what is really going on and it sounds like it)
That money would be better off spent fixing the fencing, so the horses aren’t cramped living in a round pen most likely designed to house one or two horses at the most.

And this may sound cruel… if it were me? I’d forgo going to the WEG and spend that extra time fixing up the fencing and getting shelter built before winter. My horse’s welfare come first.

I have a size 68 rain sheet that I don’t use. I’ll gladly send it up to her if she has a need for it.

#446

[QUOTE=Thomas_1;5148692]
By heck, you’ve got a vivid imagination and it seems blessed with a healthy helping of pure hypocrisy!

Full of self virtue whilst raging and pillaging against those who happen to think that if the news story is as reported and the information is taken at face value, that abandoning horses You might not like that I think that but get over yourself with your sanctimonious judging and negative portrayal and gross exaggeration of how I and others might judge![/QUOTE]

:lol:Yes I do crack me up!!! Guilty as charged, do think quite highly of myself!!! :smiley:

Alas, I think what bothers me most, and if you will forgive me my obvious character faults for a moment, is that none of you seem capable of picturing yourselves in PP’s current situation. And that, I truly believe, is balderdash.

Unless you can see the future! Are you absolutely positive, in 10-20 years, you will not meet with some personal catastrophe, and in spite of all efforts, find yourself struggling with more horses than you ought to have for a brief period of time?

Absolutely positive no current or future neighbor nor family member will form a vendetta against you and decide to start framing you for neglect?

Absolutely positive you will never irritate a government official, who then picks perfect timing to catch you out violating one of the thousands of bits of code (which at least in my area, tend to change all the time, depending on who is in office - so best to read them every 5 years or so!)

If you really are positive none of these situations could EVER happen to you - get theeself down to your national homeland security office asap please, I’m sure they and all citizens will be extremely grateful for your infallible future telling services!:cool:

Now, off a-raging and a-pillaging again I go!
:D:lol:

#447

That’s just plain wrong…:no:

#448

Thanks FrenchFry, the breeding thread ghost written by Spink again. I had forgotten about it and now the equine porno is back. :eek:

I’m not standing on either side of this issues, however…chronic pain is not an excuse. Plenty of horse folks have chronic pain, acute pain, serious injuries, serious illness, etc. And still manage to have clean and safe facilities. Not saying immaculate perfect fancy facilities beautifully landscaped, but clean and safe.
As long as your priorities are straight and you use whatever income you have on necessities first instead of cooled semen to make more horses, new expensive tack, new riding outfits, travel, etc…then being in chronic pain or not being wealthy isn’t an excuse at all.
Necessities by law in ME (and most of New England) is adequate fencing, fresh water supply, shelter and adequate feed.
Many states/ACOs will definitely have issues with animals kept in areas that have only mud or feces as footing.

I personally have no idea what’s went on there, but there are a lot of very obvious contradictions both in the neighbor’s stories and with PP’s posts. The only thing that seems to be agreed upon between PP and her neighbors is that her horses get out too often. (PP has posted that on here before)

But I don’t buy the “chronic pain = I can have substandard care” excuse. :no: Plenty of us have serious chronic pain and still keep up properties in a safe and clean manner.

#449

Before your diarrhea of the mouth gets running too fast, the full sibling (one year older) of PP’s Colonial Spanish filly just won her IBC class at Dressage at Devon on Sept 30th with a score of 75%. That score was higher than quite a few warmbloods at that same show and most of the non WB’s. The filly PP has is exceptional also.

So while I realize you consider yourself an expert on all things, you don’t know crap about this breed.

Seriously do some of you never get tired of yapping on and on? Get over yourselves and I hope for the sake of karma someday you find yourselves in a similar situation.

#450

My bold print - Do tell…please…

Yes, I’ve judged the poster on here who found an expensive “stray” cat and did nothing except look on Craig’s list to find it’s rightful owner and got downright nasty, and sarcastic to other’s suggestions on how to find the owner.

Does that sound familiar? :rolleyes:

#451

[QUOTE=Arcadien;5148823]
:lol:Yes I do crack me up!!! Guilty as charged, do think quite highly of myself!!! :smiley:

Alas, I think what bothers me most, and if you will forgive me my obvious character faults for a moment, is that none of you seem capable of picturing yourselves in PP’s current situation. And that, I truly believe, is balderdash.

Unless you can see the future! Are you absolutely positive, in 10-20 years, you will not meet with some personal catastrophe, and in spite of all efforts, find yourself struggling with more horses than you ought to have for a brief period of time?

Absolutely positive no current or future neighbor nor family member will form a vendetta against you and decide to start framing you for neglect?

Absolutely positive you will never irritate a government official, who then picks perfect timing to catch you out violating one of the thousands of bits of code (which at least in my area, tend to change all the time, depending on who is in office - so best to read them every 5 years or so!)

If you really are positive none of these situations could EVER happen to you - get theeself down to your national homeland security office asap please, I’m sure they and all citizens will be extremely grateful for your infallible future telling services!:cool:

Now, off a-raging and a-pillaging again I go!
:D:lol:[/QUOTE]
You’re right. I just don’t have the imagination that you have.

I can’t imagine myself in the situation where I’d piss off to the World Equestrian Games and leaving my horses without care, without food, with no shelter and without water.

I can’t imagine it in any circumstances let alone if I knew the neighbours were hostile and I was under investigation by mischief making officials.

I struggle to imagine being that stupid or irresponsible.

Imagining some personal catastrophe? Yep been there and actually done that! Got diagnosed with cancer when I had a hell of a lot of horses and 2 large premises including a stud farm. Had to dash off to intensive care in hospital and then to a cancer unit for 7 months. But I didn’t imagine I could just piss off and leave them all standing in mud with no fencing, feed, water, shelter and care.

Family and neighbour feud? Struggling to imagine it but it’s ever a possibility with family and neighbours. Framing me for neglect? Nope that’s never going to happen nor be possible. Reason why? There wouldn’t be an opportunity! I don’t piss off leaving no one in charge and I don’t have the sort of conditions which would lend itself to an allegation that would have any substance or merit.

Irritating a government official? Well that’s tempting. But to be honest I have to comply with a myriad of licensing legislation where I live and I happen to think that fundamentally whilst the “job’s worth” officials in local government might be an irritating pain in the butt, that the legislation they’re responsible for applying is there for a reason and if it’s there I’d best comply or be prepared for trouble.

If you want I could do a little talk on preparing for the worst and hoping for the best. On contingency planning and living within your means. On what is actually required to own a horse/s and how they suck at your time and money. On how they’re a luxury lifestyle choice and if you haven’t got the basics you’re walking a dangerous line.

Fundamentally though I think we’re talking about the difference between being responsible and making things happen or being a victim of your life and imagining that stuff just happens!

I’m sure you can imagine how that might go for yourself and don’t need my services.

On the other hand though I can imagine that if I’d thought I’d made proper provision and discovered that some disaster had happened and the provider hadn’t turned up that I’d be delighted that the neighbours had acted. I can also imagine that if the neighbours were a little gormless about horses that I’d be pleased they’d sought assistance from someone who ought to have a clue. I can also imagine giving that unreliable pet sitter a smack round the back of the head for not phoning me the VERY second that yellow notice was posted on the gate! I can also imagine I’d be bloody furious with myself for not fixing fencing, getting RELIABLE help, letting the neighbours and whoever else needs to know, know where I was.

#452

[QUOTE=Daydream Believer;5148844]
Before your diarrhea of the mouth gets running too fast, the full sibling (one year older) of PP’s Colonial Spanish filly just won her IBC class at Dressage at Devon on Sept 30th with a score of 75%. That score was higher than quite a few warmbloods at that same show and most of the non WB’s. The filly PP has is exceptional also.

So while I realize you consider yourself an expert on all things, you don’t know crap about this breed.

Seriously do some of you never get tired of yapping on and on? Get over yourselves and I hope for the sake of karma someday you find yourselves in a similar situation.[/QUOTE]

How hard did the owner of that Colonial Spanish filly WORK to get her to that level to score a 75%? Do you honestly think that PP has the time, money, and energy to do so with the filly she has of this breed? Probably not.

#453

Serious Sunday Jingles ~

Serious Sunday Jingles for PP and her horses and cats and dog ~ hoping some “good” comes out of this Terrible situation. Again, how can I help ? ~ as it appears some tough decsions are going to have to be made and some industrial winter preparation completed in the next 60 days. Jingles & AO Always Optimistic ~

#454

[QUOTE=Daydream Believer;5148844]
Before your diarrhea of the mouth gets running too fast, the full sibling (one year older) of PP’s Colonial Spanish filly just won her IBC class at Dressage at Devon on Sept 30th with a score of 75%. That score was higher than quite a few warmbloods at that same show and most of the non WB’s. The filly PP has is exceptional also.

So while I realize you consider yourself an expert on all things, you don’t know crap about this breed.

Seriously do some of you never get tired of yapping on and on? Get over yourselves and I hope for the sake of karma someday you find yourselves in a similar situation.[/QUOTE]

Where on earth did I imply that this filly was not of quality? Please, point it out to me. I am interested to know.

I said that I BELIEVE PP acquired the filly, and due in part because she is a rare breed, believes she should be bred. No statements about quality, whatsoever. I know absolutely nothing about these horses.

That being said, do you think it would do your breed well to have that filly bred to one of PP’s grade stallions? Do you truly feel that PP breeding more horses, in light of her current situation, is a good idea?

#455

I don’t read her posts often, because the first one I did read (below) made me think this person has a reality disconnect. This proud entry is about showing her stallion at Third Level and getting “a very good eventing score.” Perhaps she’s made great strides in the past year; otherwise, I would not say these are well-campaigned, or even well-shown, dressage horses.

#456

Actually it’s rare for temps to say under 32 degrees for a month or two at a time here on the coast. It does get cold, it’s freakin’ winter. But -50 windchills and below freezing for months is very very not normal for here.

#457

Actually I am the breeder and owner as well as the handler at Devon. Other than trying to get her clean, it was not a big deal. I put her and two of her sisters on a trailer and went.

#458

No you did not outright say what you thought but it was implied.

It’s none of my business what her plans are for breeding these horses. But since you ask, she and I had had a number of email conversations about Sky and what Col. Spanish stallion that shipped semen would cross best with her.

You will note that she did not breed her this year so obviously she realized that having a foal at this time did not make sense. Perhaps she has more common sense than you give her credit for???

I honestly think those of you who sit here and want to dissect every post PP ever made, rant and rave about how horrible a person she is, and every nasty photo of her farm just need to step away from the computer or go play on Fugly’s board where that sort of self righteous bullshit is loved. Honestly you people sicken me and remind me of a pack of vultures.

#459

[QUOTE=Daydream Believer;5148872]
No you did not outright say what you thought but it was implied.

It’s none of my business what her plans are for breeding these horses. But since you ask, she and I had had a number of email conversations about Sky and what Col. Spanish stallion that shipped semen would cross best with her.

You will note that she did not breed her this year so obviously she realized that having a foal at this time did not make sense. Perhaps she has more common sense than you give her credit for???

I honestly think those of you who sit here and want to dissect every post PP ever made, rant and rave about how horrible a person she is, and every nasty photo of her farm just need to step away from the computer or go play on Fugly’s board where that sort of self righteous bullshit is loved. Honestly you people sicken me and remind me of a pack of vultures.[/QUOTE]

So when it comes to answering the questions posed: Is that a yes or a no or don’t care less.

#460

[QUOTE=Daydream Believer;5148872]
You will note that she did not breed her this year so obviously she realized that having a foal at this time did not make sense. Perhaps she has more common sense than you give her credit for???[/QUOTE]

Isn’t the CS filly the ‘Blue Eyed Blonde’? If so, there was a whole thread or two on SHB re: pasture breeding with the older stallion, which - unless she was lying - means she did at least TRY and breed her.

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