I agree with this post. She was an eloquent writer but sometimes reading her posts just left you scratching your head and wondering why she was trying to breed with all the other drama in her life (lack of $, jobs, etc).
But, nonetheless, I do wish her the best and also for her horses. Maybe this will let her see that how she had been caring for them was not generally acceptable…although I did not think that they looked thin…the property and fencing was in really bad shape.
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If she gets the horses back, because it was a petsitter no-show that caused there to be no water and is willing to geld the stallions, I’d be willing to pitch in some money to help her build a shelter like mentioned by Fairview. I understand someone going through hard times and an illness, but cannot in good faith give money to someone that will breed more horses in that situation.
Hopefully, if someone knows her and is in contact with her, they will tell her that there are some people out here that will offer help, if she is willing to also help herself, by gelding/selling off some of the horses.[/QUOTE]
I commend you all for offering to send money. I personally wouldn’t help her…why? She had the MONEY to go to the WEG, is that cheap to go? No. How did she get there? Where is the money she is getting to buy things? Come on people, wake up! Again I will say, that money she seems to have to “get away” should of been used to fix what she has and build what she needs and does not have. I see a lot wrong with what she is doing and will not give my hard earned money to a woman who thinks about herself and NOT the welfare of her horses. If she has money to go on vacation then she bloody well has money to support her horses and fix things that are broke.
I’m assuming the person she rode for at WEG paid for the trip.
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I’m assuming the person she rode for at WEG paid for the trip.[/QUOTE]
That’s what I was thinking.
I want to ad that I do not in any way think PP is like my vet’s friend. Just saying that things don’t always look as they seem.
I thought I got the idea that maybe PP had been invited, along with her stallion, to be part of an exhibition at the WEG … and that maybe her expenses had been covered.
I don’t know that, but there were some comments earlier in the thread that led me to believe that PP was doing something like that … maybe.
Before anyone starts erecting any structure, better check with her local township laws, does she need a zoning permit first and how about a construction permit. No good putting anything up there, if this risks giving her even more run-ins with the law.
wow, another 5 pages since last i checked in on this thread! methinks some people have more time than horses to ride. 
I’m sure PP will be thrilled to see that she is so popular. And, Equilibrium, i am sorry that i’ve lost track of your convictions, i’ll try to keep the number straight next time. LOL
But seriously, guys? whoever said that they checked in with thier petsitter twice a day, how do you know that PP’s housesitter wasn’t telling her that everything was FINE and lying through her teeth? It’s an assumption, that may or may not be true. The generator? Guess what? We use a water-powered generator to run our lights, water heaters, etc. And we’re in upstate NY. Doesn’t mean we’re total scum. But hey! I do a lot of my own vet and farrier work - somebody call the ACO!!! Seriously? And how many times have we all laughed at the Craigslist ads with pictures showing deplorable fencing, etc, and wondered how those horses never got hurt, while you could wrap your own horse in bubble wrap and it would still find a way?
Again, as I said before, I’m not defending anyone (or attacking the ACO, for that matter). However, since no one here will come out (sans 1 poster, and that’s not enough to qualify as ‘proof’ to me, sorry) and say ‘i’ve been to her farm and saw x,y,z’ then I’ve got to reserve judgement and wait till more, RELIABLE information comes out. And then read it all with a big ol’ grain of salt. Cause we all know, you can’t believe everything you read. Especially here on Coth. :rolleyes:
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I am going to take a moment on this thread to thank the 17 memebers of this board that took the time to write me thoughtful PMs about their PERSONAL, REAL LIFE EXPERIENCES WITH PP. I understand that you all have had personal experiences with PP, and that you don’t want to drag the dirty laundry out onto the board.
This is not a way any horse should be kept. Much less more than a handful with two stallions that are, each and every season, being prayed upon that they breed the mares.
This is not vilifying a person. This is observing the obvious that someone is absolutely, 100% not prepared to care for the number of horses she has, financially AND otherwise.
I hope AC is able to work with PP to get her property in order, and to geld both stallions, who are in no place to be bred (or even dreamed of bred) to such mares.[/QUOTE]
Well, I see you managed to find a way to drag the dirty laundry out in public anyway, didn’t you.
I disagree with the german riding pony reference. Sure, it is probably a grade pony with a stamp but it’s also a well conformed pony. I don’t have a problem with someone breeding a grade horse, if the horse is put together well and has a decent show record. I think the offspring need to have some sort of registery because that in the end makes them worth a bit more.
How long was PP gone (or planning to be gone)? One of the things that pisses off DH is that I won’t leave the property for more than a week if we are gone together. And, I have a vet tech farm sitter who is realiable as all get-out and takes excellent care of everything. She doesn’t stay at the house, but she lives just around the corner and comes twice a day. I also have daily help around the farm, so the place is not left “deserted” for long periods of time.
With all that “coverage” in my absence, I’m still uneasy being gone for more than a week.
I really can’t imagine taking off for two weeks and leaving my place in the care of a pet sitter with no one living on the property at all.
Why not take a photo of the north side of my barn and house which need power washed of the seasons green slime still and assume my place is junky also?
Taking this off subject for a minute here folks:
DDB, do you have a hand pump sprayer? If not, get one from a hardware store…a 2 gallon one is only about $20. Fill it 1 gallon bleach to 1 gallon water.
Pump pressure into it, spray the green siding on your house. Spray it pretty liberally, enough to get it wet instead of just damp. Let it sit for 5-10 minutes then use the regular garden hose and plain water to rinse. Voila! Sparkling clean no-mold no-slime siding! And nope, the bleach doesn’t discolor siding. I don’t know why.
I use this method except now I use a fire extinguisher instead of a pump sprayer. Only because my ranch is on a slope and the back side of the house is 2 stories and I can’t spray that high with the pump sprayer but can with the extinguisher. :yes: But it’s fantastic, no scrubbing and no power washing. (for vinyl or aluminum siding, not sure about wood, never tried it)
Back to the thread:
I’m assuming the person she rode for at WEG paid for the trip.
I think she did mention that in one of the threads about going to WEG.
However it still doesn’t cover the new saddles, outfits, expenses on the trip, sitter for the dog, acquiring another broodmare, breeding 2 mares already this year, etc.
I think an issue many can’t understand is who acquires more horses and then breeds them when they’re already in trouble for failure to provide shelter for the ones they have and also in trouble for failure to properly contain their horses and keep them from getting loose.
So if it’s a money problem or health problem…why get another horse and then breed two of them which also means 2 more mouths to feed plus extra vet bills? And if it’s not a money or health problem and just a different level of care…why not repair the fence and put up decent shelters instead of cobbled together leftover parts that keep falling down?
Also not many people would dream of leaving the property even for a free dream vacation if they had issues with problem neighbors, cited by AC and horses always getting loose.
Check out the post about PP’s stolen saddles just posted in Off Course.
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So. When the next poster starts thread after thread about their dire financial situation, how they are clearly struggling to maintain their property and then in the next breath start threads about breeding, taking on more horse, buying more tack, show clothes, etc…are people going to be brave enough to say "hang on, should you really be doing that? or are they going to continue to condone and not point out the glaring inconsistencies.
I have to say that on more than one occasion I resisted posting on one of PP’s thread when I really wanted to say…“come on, be realistic”. But I felt it was none of my business. In retrospect, I guess that was the wrong thing to do. Maybe if more people were more frank…it would not have gone this far.[/QUOTE]
Good post. I’ve not read much of PP’s posts, as I didn’t know about breeding for color till I joined coth and was informed by others on here. I just think that the horses should come first, and that anyone who professes to be PP’s friend on coth and who knew about her previous run ins with the state animal control people should have staged an intervention before now. heck we do that with dog and cat hoarders, so why not do it with a horse person? I’d wonder whom on coth knew about the prior incident(s), and what they did about it. 
) Friends don’t let friends breed horses when they cannot afford to run a generator and give them water. Wait she was hauling water from a stream? Uh where’s her well?
This is Tragic at All levels ~
[B]This is tragic at all levels ~ [/B]It’s true. Her trip was sponsored by someone else. Can any of say we’d turn down a chance to ride and help at WEG especially if it was free?
I have MUCH work to do. The time off will be without pay since I don’t get vaca until December. (and I already asked, since I have tickets, but no go on somehow using it early.) There will be plane fare, spending $$ and board for two dogs and farm care for my horses.
Still sounds expensive as heck to me. Plane fare alone would cover new fencing and charger. It sounds like a White Elephant gift…wonderful dream gift but too expensive to keep even if the gift is free. :no:
Either way according to the stolen tack thread now up, she’s home. And apparently still being framed or part of some vendetta. An odd one at that, not many break ins happen for tack.
My intent wasn’t to diss GRP’s but rather to point out that a “grade” horse or pony is not necessarily a bad quality animal that should not ever be bred. I did not mean to come across any other way and I agree with getting papers for crosses and agree even more with inspections. I do believe PP did RPSI and AWS at some point. The filly I sold her is registered.
Misty…thanks for that tip. We’ve used a pressure washer in the past and even that has a hard time getting this slime off. It is supposed to be my husband’s job to do but I can see soon I’ll need to do it.
Just something to those who post about checking in with their farmsitters daily or twice daily and imply anything less is some sort of sign…as someone who used to farmsit professionally and still does a lot of it, very few people do that even if their standards of care are as high as they get. I’ve taken care of some very fancy small farms with extremely well cared for animals owned by very educated horsemen, and not gotten a single call for the two weeks they were gone because they knew I would call them if I needed to. It’s just a matter of comfort levels and how much you trust your sitter.
edit: removed some stuff because after thinking about it for a moment, I don’t want to add to the speculation…my thoughts can be summed up as “We don’t know what’s going on, and I hope things work out as well as possible for both PP and her animals.”
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:lol:Either way according to the stolen tack thread now up, she’s home. And apparently still being framed or part of some vendetta. An odd one at that, not many break ins happen for tack.[/QUOTE]:lol: Setting up her case I guess. What attorney is going to take a case where they is little to no financial gain for winning and a client that can’t pay?
No problem DDB, I clean the siding here and the power washer was still a buttload of work and energy to get the siding clean. Had a handy-man friend of mine tell me to try it his way, I tried it and had cleaned the entire exterior of my house to sparkling new looking in 20 minutes! :eek: I sent him a gift cert to a really good steak place for that tip! 
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