I’ve been sitting on my hands for a while here, but now that we’re up to 25 pages I can sit on them no longer. I’m honestly amazed at the length some have gone to publicly state what this woman “should” be doing with her property, her horses, her money, her time, etc. ALL of us probably SHOULD be doing at least a few things differently. Many of us probably don’t spend our money where we SHOULD or SHOULD be spending some of our time differently. Many stallions SHOULD probably be geldings and many breeding programs SHOULD operate differently than they do. We all have different ideals in mind when it comes to horses and we all appreciate different breeds, disciplines, individuals, etc… Why on our earth do we seem to think this woman SHOULD do what we think is right or that she SHOULD geld her boys because we don’t think she SHOULD be breeding? I don’t get it. Judge not lest ye be judged, eh? What SHOULD I do now? Any suggestions?
[QUOTE=ToN Farm;5149240]
:lol: Setting up her case I guess. What attorney is going to take a case where they is little to no financial gain for winning and a client that can’t pay?[/QUOTE]
you know what? being mean for the sake of being mean is just cruel. you nor most others here, have any idea what is happening…
i am truly saddened by your posts. EVERYONE has something in their life that will have others go on the attack - could be silly dreams, could be bad fencing, could be overfeeding horse til they founder, could be many things…
maybe we all should be a little more caring and less … mean.
[QUOTE=JackieBlue;5149249]
I’ve been sitting on my hands for a while here, but now that we’re up to 25 pages I can sit on them no longer. I’m honestly amazed at the length some have gone to publicly state what this woman “should” be doing with her property, her horses, her money, her time, etc. ALL of us probably SHOULD be doing at least a few things differently. Many of us probably don’t spend our money where we SHOULD or SHOULD be spending some of our time differently. Many stallions SHOULD probably be geldings and many breeding programs SHOULD operate differently than they do. We all have different ideals in mind when it comes to horses and we all appreciate different breeds, disciplines, individuals, etc… Why on our earth do we seem to think this woman SHOULD do what we think is right or that she SHOULD geld her boys because we don’t think she SHOULD be breeding? I don’t get it. Judge not lest ye be judged, eh? What SHOULD I do now? Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]
agreed!!!
what makes all this even more ridiculous is that some that are being nastiest have skeletons in their closets -
what is the saying? " judge not lest you be judged" or maybe " do unto others as you would like done unto you"?
I’ve had a few disasters happen when out of town.
One, I came home early because I didn’t have a good feeling. Very glad I did as I had one frantic thoroughbred who missed his oats (that was just supposed to be an overnighter, but my horse was on a heavy schedule and needed his dinner ON TIME).
I have had two phone calls (two different trips) when I was out of town as to what to do with the animals that moved into my place while I was gone!! It was during an ice storm each time and apparently the large jackass that showed up could smell that my horses had food. Same thing for the shetland pony stallion that had grown up on the range (Texas).
ETA: I have also come home to a dog that wouldn’t eat the entire time I was gone (my fault, my dog), a cat with an abcessed and broken tail, horse with a cut to the bone wrapped with a filty bandage (gone for four days, horse was boarded at an expensive dressage barn with all instructions on how to get ahold of me or my vet IF needed), … stolen electronic items (thank you pet-sitter) …
Speaking of Germany Riding Ponies, look at Sponti, I think his owner is on coth. A great crossbred pony who was not bred for color. (Any one who thinks the German breeding programs are the same as crossbreds/wb breeder programs in American is sadly mistaken.)
This is NOT the first time that PP has had issues with taking care of her horses. It cannot always be someone else’s fault.
At some point, she has to decide whether she can take care of her animals or must give them up for their own good. If her friends on coth would go up there and assit her, fine. But be realistic about what she can do and cannot do with animals. At some point, everyone has to stop collecting or breeding or whatever and say she cannot afford any more.
If you want to help her, go help her both with building fences and putting in a well (that’s 6500 or more, I guess cheaper there?) and helping her get work that will allow her to support her animals.
[QUOTE=MistyBlue;5149225]
Still sounds expensive as heck to me. Plane fare alone would cover new fencing and charger. It sounds like a White Elephant gift…wonderful dream gift but too expensive to keep even if the gift is free. :no:
Either way according to the stolen tack thread now up, she’s home. And apparently still being framed or part of some vendetta. An odd one at that, not many break ins happen for tack.[/QUOTE]
??? i guess we get to put you in charge of the “committee to ensure horse owners dont do anything that others dont like”
<snort>
and, like i said somewhere back in the beginning of this thread - to me it looked like her place had been ransacked… paper bags dont just hang around very long, nor does a lot of the other stuff shown - one wind and poof!
maybe not a planned sabotage, maybe just someone reading her posts here and thinking… hmmmm… these are really hard times and saddles can bring in a couple hundred bucks. desperate people can and will do desperate things.
it is a REALLY bad idea to publicize vacations and times away from home.
my gut tells me there is a lot more here than we know.
hopefully people will move along til the truth - whatever that may be - comes out…
Listen up, mbm. First off, I don’t have any skeletons in my closet, and don’t be singling me out here. You don’t know anything about this person. I do. She has a LONG history of issues with horses. Don’t you and others read ALL the posts here and the details. Go back and read Anita M’s post. Yes, I’m glad her horses were taken, and I hope she doesn’t get them back.
[QUOTE=Daydream Believer;5149219]
It’s true. Her trip was sponsored by someone else. Can any of say we’d turn down a chance to ride and help at WEG especially if it was free?[/QUOTE]
I read not too long ago an interesting article on the internet and the psychology of people that use it.
One of the quirks they found was that there are many people that would think twice about helping others that asked them for help out of the blue, but anyone posting on the internet with any need, seems that most of us can’t help ourselves to want to help them, if they come across as a very nice person in need.
Sometimes, we even think that we may be getting had, but we still happily try to help, that nice person (or organization) surely does need this little “dribble” more than we do.
In that study they also were talking about the personality of those that know how to come across so everyone else would offer to help, many times without them even having come clear out asking for help.
I don’t know what all is going on here, maybe PP did hit a terrible set of misshaps and her world caved in, maybe she has been stringing all all along and getting by with not getting done what any “normal” person would think sensible, while here and there someone kept helping her.
We will have to wait to see what all comes out of this, too much conflicting, not quite credible information on all sides for anyone from behind a computer to be able to sort thru this, really.
I do know that time and again I felt like sending someone something to help them, at times with very little to go by other than the feeling that they needed help.
Some times, I am sure I am doing the right thing, some times, I hold back, too many questions.
I didn’t use to, I was helpful and didn’t care if someone was smoke and mirrors, but any more, I have learned to listen better and not to be impulsive.
I don’t know what has been going on here all along, for a few years now, regardless if this time around there was direct fault with PP, or this time she did really have something happen to her not of her doing, like a missing substitute caretaker.
Either way, it really is none of our business, it is not up to us to study, critique and find to our liking or find fault with other lives.:no:
Since it seems everyone had to express their opinion, here is mine, all 2c worth.
Who’s to say that the bath tub was meant to be a water trough? Was it in an enclosure with horses? Before I put in the auto waterers, I left troughs empty in fields without horses; same thing with buckets in unused stalls.
The farm looks unmanageable. There must be a water source somewhere right? She has running water in the house, so what’s the situation with dragging water on a sled from a creek? Why is the fencing installed like that? It looks like the 1/2" tape, which seems to stop conducting in a few short months (I have it outside my hens’ run to keep predators from getting close enough to dig in). If horses are getting loose so regularly as to wear paths to the neighbors, things are beyond out of control.
The horses don’t look like they’ve been without food for 2 solid weeks, and no water for that amount of time would equal dead so they were getting water. They look a little unkempt but other than the bay no one looks underweight.
If the law requires shelter from November through winter, then she had the rest of the month to erect a shelter. I also thought she’d posted about having a barn, or am I imagining that? I don’t think the situation is at all good, but I’m not sure what laws were violated and why a seizure was done.
I get overwhelmed just looking at the pictures so I can’t imagine living it. The neighbors sound like clueless dbags, but I can’t blame them for being concerned about the state of the place and loose horses.
Does she have any help up there at all? Someone to help with farm maintenance and building? I don’t know what the solution is other than moving to a less brutal climate and cutting back on the numbers, but that doesn’t look like a workeable situation. It’s very sad all the way around; I hope for the best for her and the horses.
I still am hoping that this was a terrible misunderstanding. And I am still aghasted that so many are quick to judge what we cannot know, and that some others are assuming the worst.
I don’t think we have to sink to the lowest, basest common denominator. Leonard Pitts had a wonderful syndicated column today in The Seattle Times, in which he wrote about how technology allows us to humiliate people on a global scale. To quote three short paragraphs here:
"What is new is the distance we now have from other people, this tendency to objectify them. …
"And what is new is the cruelty, this willingness to casually destroy someone else with a few clicks of a mouse.
“It is as if we have forgotten or never knew: People are not objects. They have feelings. They have intrinsic dignity and worth. And each of us is bound to respect that. There are things you just don’t do to other people, and the fact that technology makes those things easy to do doesn’t make that any less true.”
The link to the entire column is here:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorialsopinion/2013112285_pitts10.html
PintoPiaffe is a real woman. I’ve never met her, and I don’t assume I know better than she does how to live her life. There isn’t much I can actually do for her today as I’m cross-country, but I can offer my support by not contributing to the pile-on, and urging others to withhold condemnation.
What a terrible mess to come home to.
[QUOTE=ToN Farm;5149272]
Listen up, mbm. First off, I don’t have any skeletons in my closet, and don’t be singling me out here. You don’t know anything about this person. I do. She has a LONG history of issues with horses. Don’t you and others read ALL the posts here and the details. Go back and read Anita M’s post. Yes, I’m glad her horses were taken, and I hope she doesn’t get them back.[/QUOTE]
i am not singling you out. but we all have things better left private. you, me, everyone.
you have no idea what is happening. neither do i.
we need to wait and see.
and being mean is not helping anyone or anything.
[QUOTE=JackieBlue;5149249]
Judge not lest ye be judged, eh? What SHOULD I do now? Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]
Here’s a more modern and perhaps more applicable aphorism:
Post not your ENTIRE LIFE and EVERY THOUGHT THAT ENTERS YOUR HEAD on the internet because someone is going to comment. And even IF something like AC taking your horses doesn’t happen, people are free to form and voice opinions about you and they may not be kind.
I’m NOT going to comment on pintopiaffe’s woes. But everyone else wouldn’t have much to say if she hadn’t used this bb as a sort of dear diary/soulmate/confessional.
JackieBlue…thank you for your last post. And a voice of sanity on this thread. Me…I’m waiting to hear the rest of the story. In the meantime,
my thoughts are with PP and what she must be going through. Sure hope of
the itty bitty kitties weren’t scared so far away from home that they can’t find their way back.
That newspaper in her area should be flogged for printing the address–what
an invite to thieves. Like many of us, our tack is worth for more than most
of the other stuff in our houses that’s easily moved.
What’s the long history? Legal issues? I’m not trying to be antagonizing, I’m just shocked. Her posts always sounded like she went above and beyond for all her animals. Some made me think we probably don’t keep our horses exactly the same way, but that’s not a crime. I’m having a hard time reconciling this poster with either accidental or purposeful neglect. 
Wow…so true and that second quote rings so true on this topic.
There is an old saying that “familiarity breeds contempt” and why it is important as a supervisor for example to not associate too closely with their subordinates…and one can take that to simple relationships also or to this situation.
It’s almost as if the internet has enabled that somehow…that people who before the information age would have been perfect strangers we now feel like we know well enough to criticize. You would think the opposite would apply and cause more empathy with another’s situation, but it doesn’t seem so.
I’d be willing to bet that most of the people so harshly criticizing PP probably have a few skeletons in their closets also that could cause great humiliation or worse if they were reported on TV also. The old adage that “what goes around, comes around” also applies here.
The desire of people to so openly attack others…Fugly’s blog comes to mind…based on pictures of their horses or facility and they have no idea perhaps of any more information than that. It’s like we’ve taken personal attacks to a whole new level…like a school of internet sharks. :no:
[QUOTE=CoolMeadows;5149293]
What’s the long history? Legal issues? I’m not trying to be antagonizing, I’m just shocked. Her posts always sounded like she went above and beyond for all her animals. Some made me think we probably don’t keep our horses exactly the same way, but that’s not a crime. I’m having a hard time reconciling this poster with either accidental or purposeful neglect. :([/QUOTE]
Some things are not always as they seem.!!!
Dalemma
[QUOTE=Dalemma;5149305]
Some things are not always as they seem.!!!
Dalemma[/QUOTE]
I think we are all in agreement there.
I don’t know what is going on as the horses do look healthy enough??
Obviously if someone is hauling water from a creek to her horses she does love them and care about them. But at the same time, if a person is in such a precarious financial situation that they cannot afford running water, appropriate fencing , shelters (and horses DO need some sort of shelter!) ect then owning horses doesn’t seem smart!. Horses get sick, they get injured ect. Vet care is not cheap. What would a person do if there was an emergency?
I am sure she means well (well I am assuming she does?) but if the situation is how it is presented and she is struggling that much then both her and her horses would be better off if she were to cut back on the numbers. Breeding should be out of the question…
…like a school of internet sharks.
:sigh:
[QUOTE=ToN Farm;5149272]
Listen up, mbm. First off, I don’t have any skeletons in my closet, and don’t be singling me out here. You don’t know anything about this person. I do. She has a LONG history of issues with horses. Don’t you and others read ALL the posts here and the details. Go back and read Anita M’s post. Yes, I’m glad her horses were taken, and I hope she doesn’t get them back.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the PM. You have far more info that I could have ever wanted to know!
I suggest that the people who think this is a one time incident, should choose a cother to collect $ and then a few of you go up there and apply that money to shelter, etc.
The internet is a dangerous place, and there are many people who are imposters.
Now to go watch, again, the final 4 WEG jumpers.
