Obviously if someone is hauling water from a creek to her horses she does love them and care about them.
The horses should be hauling the water. I am sure that MistyBlue could help teach her how to use a tobaggan (if I could only spell it) :yes:
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Iâd be willing to bet that most of the people so harshly criticizing PP probably have a few skeletons in their closets also that could cause great humiliation or worse if they were reported on TV also. The old adage that âwhat goes around, comes aroundâ also applies here. [/QUOTE]
So? How does that change the fact that her place is not fit for horses? What another has done in the past that isnât kosher doesnât change the set-up sheâs got. Anyone could drive by and see itâs a pig sty; itâs not âin her closetâ itâs right out there in the open. Iâd wouldnât have to worry about being ashamed because Iâd never keep animals or my property in conditions like that. Anyone who does deserves criticism from the equine community because the horses sure as hell canât do it.
I am going to take a moment to thank the 123.4 members of this board who took the time to write me thoughtful PMs about their PERSONAL, REAL-LIFE EXPERIENCES with PP.
Iâve never met any of you before.
And your fingers seemed to get stuck together when trying to create a public postâalthough the words flowed fast and furious when sending me your PMs.
But I understand that you all have personal experience with PP, and that you donât want to drag your dirty laundry out onto the board.
This is not vilifying a person! This is observing the obvious!
And because a shadowy, anonymous group of 123.4 people agree with me, you should absolutely, 100% listen to what I have to say AND think!
I hope AC is able to work with PP and get her property in order and geld those stallions, because everyone whoâs seen them on the Internet feels that they are in no place to be bred to such mares.
Yup, I also farmsit and donât necessarily contact the owners daily. And when I go away I donât expect daily updates either.
I truly donât understand the logic of some people on this board.
REMEMBER THAT POST!?
Not so long ago, in horsecare I believe, an alter poster was screaming for help, because she admitted she had too many horses and she could not afford keeping them all. Yet she was so attached to them and worried if she sold them sheâd lose track of them and they might end up in a bad situation and sheâd worry for the remaining of her life what would be of her horses.
No one came on there to offer financial help so the poster, who clearly loved her horses very much, could continue to care for them. Everyone was shouting: sell them, lease them, oh and the poster was getting the evil finger for contemplating euthanasia. This poster was truly screaming for help, yet I read very few compassionate replies in that thread.
However in this case, again I repeat, all you compassionate posters who are suggesting to come up with financial aid so she can keep her 6 horses. Why is her situation more deserving then that alter poster from some months ago?
Iâd like to understand the difference in logic appliedâŠ
No opinion on this, but I had to correct âhorses DO need some sort of shelterâ.
Nope, by law, nope. Not in Canada. A wind break yes, but not a shelter.
They never need to move, either.
Not in Ontario, Canada.
Well, I guess thatâs why itâs a good thing there is AC, coz seems a lot of horseowners seem to think itâs totally acceptable to keep horses like that. Shelter? Why would a horse need shelter? -sigh-
WOW!! All I can say is âInnocent until proved guilty in a court of law.â
I donât know PP, have never met PP to my knowledge, have never been to her farm, and Iâm not about to form an opinion based on neighborsâ complaints, some of her posts to an internet BB, some photos, and a couple of apparently sensationalized (sells more papers and gets more commercial sponsors) media reports.
The horses should be hauling the water. I am sure that MistyBlue could help teach her how to use a tobaggan (if I could only spell it)
LOL, you canât spell it and I canât use it without injuring myself! :lol:
??? i guess we get to put you in charge of the âcommittee to ensure horse owners dont do anything that others dont likeâ
No thank you. Horse women are nucking futs. Who wants to be the head nut?
You may want a nice cuppa and a rest though. So far youâve gone a tad off the deep end on this thread. So far youâve let the entire Coth world know that this thread made you cry and lose your entire faith in humanity or whatever and itâs everyone elseâs fault. (hint, itâs not about you) Not that I am in charge of the nut house, but if I were Iâd suggest not letting the internetz control your emotions so much.
PP is a fun and funny poster. She writes well and can turn every day things into humorous stories. However if folks read the posts and not just the witty parts theyâd see sheâs admitted often to being in way over her head, her horses getting loose all the time, her neighbors getting sick of that, being in trouble at least 3x with the ACO, being in financial trouble and yet then posting endlessly about getting more horses, breeding more horses and tack shopping sprees. Regardless that she has nowhere to house those horses, canât fence them in, canâ't afford to fix either issue and has pending issues with ACO over this. Then goes on a vacation that does indeed cost her quite a bit in both lost wages and expenses. Seriously. Itâs not rocket surgery. It just means putting on the big girl panties and reading the non-funny non-witty parts that might make a person âZOMG Iâm crying now!â
As for the people freaking out about the alleged âlack of shelter issueâ-- horses evolved on the steppes of Asia-- they have lived for millions of years without barns, run-in sheds, turnout blankets and etc. Wild horses continue to do so. Every vet Iâve ever known has said that hot weather is way more of a problem than cold weather for horses.
I happen to think that old bathtubs- particularly the old ones on feet make perfectly good water troughs. The porcelain is easy to keep clean (and doesnât heat up the water on hot days like the dark plastic tubs), it is easy to see if there is any debris lurking at the bottom (unlike those black rubber or fiberglass things) and they come with a convenient drain built in.
And remember this IS America where people are free to decide for themselves- for the most part-- what they feel is an acceptable level of horse care-- as long as the animals have access to fresh water, adequate feed or hay and vet care, when needed.
Some of the hoity-toity people on this board may feel that they have the ârightâ to look down their rather long noses at those who canât afford heated barns, designer horse clothes, âbig nameâ tack and saddles, state-of-the-art vinyl fencing, 24 hour video surveillance, full-time barn help, big name trainers in their chosen âdisciplineâ and etc, etc. etcâ
So what?-- a horse doesnât care about any of that stuff- all a horse cares about is having enough to eat and drink, and being treated fairly-- notice I said fairly-- horses have an innate sense of fairness.
They are not particularly gentle-- just look how they kick and bite each other in a herd situation. But they will remember an undeserved correction, and aim for payback later.
Anyway-- as I posted to begin with-- innocent in this situation until proved guilty in a court of law.
There are lots of people involved in animal âwelfareâ and animal ârightsâ who have their very own agendas. And Iâm sure almost everyone on this board at some time or another has had difficult non-horsey neighbors or knows someone in that situation.
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Best mixed metaphor on the whole thread so far ----thanks for the laugh MB amid what is a rather unfunny thread of posts.
As Iâve posted, This IS America and people are relatively free to live as they choose.
I know everyone is getting in a heated rush because some people are judging PP rather harshly, but we on this BB judge people harshly all the time. There are countless threads on people who neglect animals in one form or another that we donât know, and we all chime in.
I am trying to take the innocent until proven guilty approach as well, but that makes me a bit of hypocrite considering I probably chime in on most abuse cases which have been reported on by the news.
Life is hard for most of us and sometimes things happen under our noses before we do the right things to change them. I am guilty as charged as Iâm dealing with some crap of my own right now. How and ever, the one thing that will not change is how I take care of my horses. And no, I donât think they live in the ritz but by God they will have food, shelter, and water before I do. Itâs just the way it is. I keep things tidy and am constantly checking my fencing. I have hot wire and wooden posts. I put it all up myself and am quite proud that I managed to make something half way decent and safe. But I do have to deal with tape being broken and pulled asunder. Thankfully, I donât have escape artists so my life is somewhat easy. If I did, I would absolutely have to do what it takes to make things right. It doesnât matter what pain Iâm in or how much money I donât have, itâs my responsibility.
I hope she sorts things and gets some help that she probably needs. I am also on my own right now and have to say without some very good friends and caring people, I couldnât always get the things done I need to. And I do the same for them. Having horses all on your own can be difficult at the best of times. Something Iâm only really knowing now.
Terri
I suspect she doesnât have much of a local support system and that is the reason she posts so much here.
Iâm not sure who said it, but someone said something along the lines of âhow many of us would have given up the opportunity to go to WEGâ and Iâm just trying not to get a MIGRAINE from all the rolling of my eyes!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Hereâs the thing, folks: As a grown woman, I have choices to make. And Iâve made some really hard ones, but theyâve been based on the use of - get this - simple MATH. Yep, it really did come in handy.
If you cannot afford it, you cannot buy/do it. I do not care if it was a âfree rideâ to WEG - it was clearly NOT free as the woman had to buy some clothing - I remember her posting about it and the drama that ensued! She had to find (hopefully) a horse sitter, so that costs money and if she works, she had to use vacation time, which was hopefully paid time off - if not, that cost her as well.
I do not comprehend complaining about making ends meet EVER when you also are trying to BREED! It makes no mathematical sense, so help me understand why this should be ok?!
I do not wish for anything bad to happen to PP. I have enjoyed her posts, but as others have pointed out, there are some problems, and they did not just pop out of this most recent issue. There are many reasons why this woman could be making the choices she is making in spite of the obvious consequences, but not knowing her in real life makes it rather difficult to get a âgoodâ picture of what is really happening.
My hope is PP can get this ordeal straightened out, come up with a workable plan, and more on. I am glad she has some friends here that can speak with her due to a prior relationship, and I pray she listens.
However, I want to make this VERY clear: there are some of us who would never make the choices she has made under the circumstances as we know them from her posts. There is a reason why some of us are more frustrated than others, and yes, we all have our own filters/perspective. But please do not believe that all people would jump at a chance to go to WEG if we were in similar situations. Some of us are faced with even more incredible choices than that, and we make the less glamorous decision based on our responsibilities and our reality.
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I dont want to say much more than I have said, except for two things. I have a run-in in one field of mine, the other fields have windbreaks/shade trees and my horses do not suffer. The show horses are stalled partially, but the ones without shelter are healthy and happy. I do put turnouts on them in very inclement winter weather. I dont feel the lack of shelter at this time of year is really an issue in this situation, there are other more pressing issues.
Secondly, i was offered free tickets AND a place to stay for WEG. I would have LOVED to go, but frankly the other expenses and for me to fin d someone to take care of the place, simply wasnât in the cards. For me it would have been a trip of a lifetime, but in spite of it being âfreeâ i did not feel that I could reasonably do it.
Nope, by law, nope. Not in Canada. A wind break yes, but not a shelter.
They never need to move, either.
That is what I meant. A break of some sort from the elements. Wild horses can escape driving blizzards by going into a stand of trees ect. Horses in an open paddock cannot.
What do you mean " they never need to move"?
As in âdoing somethingâ as another poster remarked they had AC called on them because the horses never did anything.
made me kinda laugh to see Parcheese in the shelf at Walmart earlier, nice one with animal tokens, pictured the horses playingâŠ
We could stick to the facts:
The neighbors were very upset at the conditions the horses were left in-and itâs not the first time. I doubt thereâs a vendetta here. And theyâre better eye witnesses than we are. They are living there.
She has charges against her for animal cruelty already.
She has inadequate fencing
She has no shelter
They have no water
I see no hay
How deep is the manure in that roundpen, 3 horses x 14 days x 50 pounds per day= 2100 lbs of manure in that roundpen. Standing and sleeping in that.
There may be additional laws for stallions
No electric for the inadequate fencing
Itâs obvious she canât afford to keep all these horses within minimal requirements for adequate care
They could not contact her.
Some of her older pics are not her property, thereâs a barn and a big house in the background
Anything else is hearsay. These are the facts, and she is already a repeat offender.
Anyone can tell you anything on a forum.
I think we should all start posting pics of our horsesâ living conditions to be certain that they pass muster with the coth community at large. Then we need to post individual pics of each of our horses to learn whether we should geld, keep, donate, euth or what not. Any breeders will need to post pictures and pedigrees of potential mare and stallion crossings for critique and final judgement of worthiness and while weâre at it we will also need to post pictures of ourselves so that the coth family can determine and tell us whether we are fit to ride, if we need to lose a few pounds or more, if our personal hygeine is sufficient. Now, this one might be reaching, but I highly recommend that those of who are parents post pictures and stats of our children to be certain that all cothâers think weâre parenting well and so that they can tell us how to do it better. And you know, now that I think of it, we should also submit SOâs for judging because they can have a big impact on all aspects of our lives.
Okay, Iâll go first. But it will take me a little while to amass all the photos, pedigrees and bios. Whoâs next? :winkgrin:
Lieslot, I hear you
The people on this message board offering help is very nice, but it enables the helped person to continue on with the same behavior.
