This whole thing really sounds like a hoarder to me. Just couldn’t get rid of any of them and it just sprawled out of control. Didn’t help having stallions either.
Seriously? Six horses and two cats (plus another horse and dog boarded out) on eight acres, and it sounds like a HOARDER? :rolleyes:
Oh, I do so love the Disease of the Week phenomenon. The problem is that it takes away from the perceived seriousness of the disorder in those who actually have it. :no:
And, for the record, for those who are saying no one would be sympathetic if we didn’t “know” the person: the fact that you are so willing to judge and condemn from one news article doesn’t mean all of us are. There have been plenty of cases in which I (and others here) have reserved judgment until more details were available in cases where there were no personal connections at all. As the saying goes, you shouldn’t believe everything you read. It’s sad the state that some people’s critical thinking skills appear to be in around here.
Why not look up the definition of “animal hoarder” before you roll your eyes.
Just WOW.
This case is between PP and animal control. I have no opinion on guilt or innocence here.
Now…what I have learned from reading this thread…Never, ever give any information about yourself on COTH because members will gleefully throw it back in your face if they have the chance.
I think it’s one thing to have an opinion…everyone is entitled to that. However, I have to say, some of you need serious counseling for yourselves. I don’t know which COTHER went running over to that news station thread to report PP to the others and begged them to come over here to read all her threads…but you have issues of your own. I’ve seriously seen the dark and ugly side of some of you on this thread…it’s truly eye opening as to how mean and ugly some of you can be. Some of you have come running back here to post over and over again…do you seriously not have anything else to do with your lives? Does this thread finally give you a life fulfilling purpose? I seriously hope that some of you find something other than the internet to fulfill your lives.
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This is a true example of “YOU CAN TAKE THE PERSON OUT OF MIDDLE SCHOOL, BUT YOU CAN"T TAKE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL OUT OF THE PERSON”. This thread reads like a bunch of gossiping 13 year old girls.
On another board, we had a member who’s daughter was accused and confessed to a horrendous crime…the moderators banned that topic from discussion…and now I can see why.
It’s one thing to have an opinion…but some of these posts (multiple ones I should add) truly show some true colors here.
This needs to be a lesson to everyone…do not share details of your life on the internet…people can/will use it against you if they get the opportunity.
I hope some of you will stop posting now and find something more productive to do with your life. Instead of sitting here denouncing this member (This case is between AC and PP), why don’t you go adopt an animal who needs to be rescued? Do something productive instead of wasting hours of your lives giggling with glee as you type on this thread about what a horrible person someone is.
And once again, to whomever went over to that news page and started bashing this woman’s posts on this board…you seriously need a life.
Bottom line:
If I had bred/previously owned ANY of the horses on that property, and I saw video and photos that looked like THAT, you’d better believe I’d have been on the phone with AC in order to figure out how to get my horse back.
Bottom line:
That property is in no condition to be housing 6+ horses that are intended for the purposes of breeding. If I sold a filly or gave a mare to this woman, I would be in an absolute panic right now, especially considering that according to posts by PP herself, the cremello filly was pasture bred to the older stallion in early September. This stallion is NOT currently approved by RPSI, FWIW.
Bottom line:
Perhaps PP isn’t really doing all this breeding stuff she posts about, and it’s all just a bunch of dreaming, etc. But then that would make her a whole different brand of crazy that likely also shouldn’t be indulged with “I’M JINGLING SO HARD MY FINGERS ARE BLEEDING, I HOPE YOUR FILLY POPS A BABY OUT INTO THAT FLOODED MARE BARN, AND THAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO GET IT VET CARE!!”.
Bottom line:
I don’t really think PP is stupid, mean, or intentionally cruel to animals. I think those of you defending THESE horse keeping practices are insulting her intelligence (which is obviously significant, considering the wit with which she posts). PP KNOWS this is deplorable. PP KNOWS this “farm” is no place for mares to be foaling out. PP KNOWS AC has been involved in her situation for the past year. She’s just let it get out of hand, and now it’s probably become too much for her to handle.
I hope she gets the place cleaned up, fences repaired, shelters built, etc. And then I hope AC works with her on the breeding front. I still stand by my staunch belief that no more grade horses need be bred, particularly in the middle of nowhere Maine.
Because having fewer than a dozen animals on ample acreage doesn’t fit.
Even if she did neglect the animals (a subject on which the jury is still out), and even, in fact, if she did not want to sell any of them, that does not make her a hoarder.
If simply not selling your horses when it would be wise, financially, to do so is the definition of a hoarder, then I would hazard that at least 90% of people on this board would have fit that definition at some point in their lives. (Heck, arguably we ALL fit it ALL the time, except perhaps some top, TOP owners.)
Again, labeling every potentially neglectful situation as hoarding does a disservice to those who are dealing, in one way or another, with ACTUAL instances of this potentially life-threatening disorder.
Not to mention that playing armchair psychiatrist is defamatory at best.
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Bottom line:
If I had bred/previously owned ANY of the horses on that property, and I saw video and photos that looked like THAT, you’d better believe I’d have been on the phone with AC in order to figure out how to get my horse back.
Bottom line:
That property is in no condition to be housing 6+ horses that are intended for the purposes of breeding. If I sold a filly or gave a mare to this woman, I would be in an absolute panic right now, especially considering that according to posts by PP herself, the cremello filly was pasture bred to the older stallion in early September. This stallion is NOT currently approved by RPSI, FWIW.
Bottom line:
Perhaps PP isn’t really doing all this breeding stuff she posts about, and it’s all just a bunch of dreaming, etc. But then that would make her a whole different brand of crazy that likely also shouldn’t be indulged with “I’M JINGLING SO HARD MY FINGERS ARE BLEEDING, I HOPE YOUR FILLY POPS A BABY OUT INTO THAT FLOODED MARE BARN, AND THAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO GET IT VET CARE!!”.
Bottom line:
I don’t really think PP is stupid, mean, or intentionally cruel to animals. I think those of you defending THESE horse keeping practices are insulting her intelligence (which is obviously significant, considering the wit with which she posts). PP KNOWS this is deplorable. PP KNOWS this “farm” is no place for mares to be foaling out. PP KNOWS AC has been involved in her situation for the past year. She’s just let it get out of hand, and now it’s probably become too much for her to handle.
I hope she gets the place cleaned up, fences repaired, shelters built, etc. And then I hope AC works with her on the breeding front. I still stand by my staunch belief that no more grade horses need be bred, particularly in the middle of nowhere Maine.[/QUOTE]
Excellent post. :yes:
Seriously…run and get her back and do what? Abort the foal? That’s not always practical after a few months of pregnancy; and believe it or not, there is a registration option for part bred Colonial Spanish horses so that foal will have a place to get papers. How you feel it’s the end of the world if that filly is bred, I can’t imagine it. I’ve seen foals in much worse places than Jaime’s grow up just fine. Hell, I’ve seen them born on the range and never get their navel dipped and survive. Imagine that???
I was never told if she was bred but then again, she is NOT my horse any more. I sold her three years ago. It’s not my business nor your business (seriously it’s none of your business) if she chooses to breed the filly. She is three and will foal at four, she’s in good condition and healthy…that’s not exactly a crime last time I looked at it.
Now, to set the record straight once again. I did contact Animal Control so they would know that I want this filly back if she is to be adopted out. I personally would rather see Jaime get her back since it’s clear to me that she’s NOT neglected or abused. If this goes badly for PP and the horses are taken from her, than I want to be first in line to get back the horse that I’d bred. That is the only reason I made that phone call…not because I’m convinced she is abused.
Seriously, some of you need to just back away from the keyboard and get a grip on yourselves.
Katarine, you disgust me. 
I’ve never read anything more obnoxious on this forum in the years I’ve been a member. Where’s the barf icon when you need it?
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Did you?
Because having fewer than a dozen animals on ample acreage doesn’t fit.
Even if she did neglect the animals (a subject on which the jury is still out), and even, in fact, if she did not want to sell any of them, that does not make her a hoarder.
If simply not selling your horses when it would be wise, financially, to do so is the definition of a hoarder, then I would hazard that at least 90% of people on this board would have fit that definition at some point in their lives. (Heck, arguably we ALL fit it ALL the time, except perhaps some top, TOP owners.)
Again, labeling every potentially neglectful situation as hoarding does a disservice to those who are dealing, in one way or another, with ACTUAL instances of this potentially life-threatening disorder.
Not to mention that playing armchair psychiatrist is defamatory at best.[/QUOTE]
Get on! Since when was being an animal hoarder a psychiatric condition!
I’m of the view that what it means is keeping a higher than usual number of pets without having the ability to properly house or care for them, while at the same time denying this inability.
So do please explain what you think being an animal hoarder is and why you think that PP didn’t fit that definition?
Daydream Believer, agree with you about the odd post by katarine.
Thomas, being a hoarder can indeed be a mental condition.
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Get on! Since when was being an animal hoarder a psychiatric condition!
I’m of the view that what it means is keeping a higher than usual number of pets without having the ability to properly house or care for them, while at the same time denying this inability.
So do please explain what you think being an animal hoarder is and why you think that PP didn’t fit that definition?[/QUOTE]
Since about here:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1906784/animal_hoarding_syndrome.html?cat=72
I realize that there are those of you whose behaviour in all things is beyond reproach, and therefore, the rest of us are often beneath your contempt. I am aware that for some of you, the idea of suspending judgement, when it is so easy to mete it out, is simply contrary to your belief system-- in the supremacy of your own beliefs.
What I do find appalling is that you are also under the impression that the rest of us don’t get it, because we aren’t piling on, and looking for tar, feathers, pitchforks, straw, and a good post.
Here is a news flash.
We DO get it. We simply are awaiting confirmation of all of the facts. We need to better understand what can be done to help the situation-- not to define, judge, and find guilty, absent all of the facts. We’ve seen the pictures- we’ve read the words. We have opinions. We just aren’t spewing bile.
It is so damn easy to sling this kind of mud from behind a computer screen, isn’t it? But these are living creatures, and PP is a living being-- regardless of anything you may have read here. She and our animals deserve our compassion. This may- or may not- include helping place animals, or somesuch. But we don’t know that, yet, do we?
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Compassionate conservatism? Without the “compassionate” I guess. Sick, selfish and uncalled for.[/QUOTE]
Ask those children he does not support about sick and selfish.
The one and only reason he came up was Butler’s braying about how bad I’d feel when things went wrong ‘just sayin’. All I’m sayin is that I’m not responsible for other people’s actions and choices and the repercussions of their actions. Were I to bore you with all that his friends and family went through for him for years, years, years… you’d likely paint a very different picture in your mind. Instead I cut to the end game: really, at some point, your drama and damage is solely on you. The indeterminate you. I have no need to edit anything.
ASB Stars, that is true. But what both hurts & irks me in this thread, is that if going thru this board we could bring up a number of threads of other posters (often using alters) admitting they are in financial hardship, yet not much was done to help those posters out, other then the suggestion, sell or lease or get a 2nd job. I’m trying to understand what makes one poster more deserving then others.
I hope things for her work out and a plan can be put together serving all involved the best.
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ASB Stars, that is true. But what both hurts & irks me in this thread, is that if going thru this board we could bring up a number of threads of other posters (often using alters) admitting they are in financial hardship, yet not much was done to help those posters out, other then the suggestion, sell or lease or get a 2nd job. I’m trying to understand what makes one poster more deserving then others.
I hope things for her work out and a plan can be put together serving all involved the best.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. What is so special about PP compared to all the others that she gets special treatment/allowance?? It’s ok for her to be in financial hardship and still own & attempt to breed 6 animals, but not anyone else?
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Since about here:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1906784/animal_hoarding_syndrome.html?cat=72
I realize that there are those of you whose behaviour in all things is beyond reproach, and therefore, the rest of us are often beneath your contempt. I am aware that for some of you, the idea of suspending judgement, when it is so easy to mete it out, is simply contrary to your belief system-- in the supremacy of your own beliefs.
What I do find appalling is that you are also under the impression that the rest of us don’t get it, because we aren’t piling on, and looking for tar, feathers, pitchforks, straw, and a good post.
Here is a news flash.
We DO get it. We simply are awaiting confirmation of all of the facts. We need to better understand what can be done to help the situation-- not to define, judge, and find guilty, absent all of the facts. We’ve seen the pictures- we’ve read the words. We have opinions. We just aren’t spewing bile.
It is so damn easy to sling this kind of mud from behind a computer screen, isn’t it? But these are living creatures, and PP is a living being-- regardless of anything you may have read here. She and our animals deserve our compassion. This may- or may not- include helping place animals, or somesuch. But we don’t know that, yet, do we?[/QUOTE]
Well thanks for that VERY informative link from Jennifer Wagner.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/331107/jennifer_wagner.html
I see her [I]"primary area of expertise is in home improvement and home decor and design, as I have worked in or around the business for over 20 years.
My experience in ‘Crafts & Hobbies’ was gained when I owned my gift basket business several years ago. Since that time I have enjoyed sharing my ‘how to’ advice with my readers, particularly when it involves saving money by learning how to DIY."[/I]
When you’ve finished your little rant about my belief system and what I think you can maybe give her a call and ask for advice for how to polyfilla that chip on your shoulder! :yes::winkgrin:
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ASB Stars, that is true. But what both hurts & irks me in this thread, is that if going thru this board we could bring up a number of threads of other posters (often using alters) admitting they are in financial hardship, yet not much was done to help those posters out, other then the suggestion, sell or lease or get a 2nd job. I’m trying to understand what makes one poster more deserving then others.
I hope things for her work out and a plan can be put together serving all involved the best.[/QUOTE]
One possible explanation on my only post, #502, in the “other” thread, about internet studies on the people that give and those that take thru internet forums.
That could be part of what is going on here, too bad that other questionable circumstances happened at the same time IRL, in real life, that has not been cleared yet what is true or what just hearsay.
To validate this theory, look how may right now, with all the questions posed, are still wanting to hurry and help selflessly, but in ways that will only enable a possibly questionable situation to continue, before it is known all is on the up and up.
I think we will never know “the rest of the story” in any way to satisfy anyone.
I say, regardless of what accusations are brought forth and defenses are proposed, at this time, it is all on both sides mere guesses as what is happening right now and that ought to give everyone pause.
Sure, this needs to be sorted out, but I doubt by us behind a computer screen.:no:
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Daydream Believer, agree with you about the odd post by katarine.
Thomas, being a hoarder can indeed be a mental condition.[/QUOTE] Well thanks for that enlightening information.
So it’s not a syndrome and it’s not a personality disorder, it’s not just someone who hasn’t got a grip or who is needy. It’s an actual mental illness.
And you know this, how?
Asked an interior decorator? Googled it? Or read some garbage about dysfunctional behaviours?
Note that’s rhetorical questions and I don’t require a reply.
Not interested and not relevant at all to the matter in hand.
don’t be ignorant
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Get on! Since when was being an animal hoarder a psychiatric condition!
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hoarding (animals, junk, or anything else) is definitely a symptom of a more serious mental health problem. it is considered a symptom of OCD.
Thanks Marta.Thomas, I have a close friend with this problem. He is treated by a DOCTOR for it.
I think the point is that animal hoarding is not in the DSM-IV listed as a specific, diagnosable disorder. Most hoarders are suffering form some other form of mental illness.
I don’t know enough about hoarding to say anything one way or another. I do think that having 2 litters of cats, several dogs, and 6+ horses when you can barely pay the feed bills (see PP’s countdown thread) is problematic, I’m just not sure it has anything to do with hoarding.
