Sad situations that are going to be happening too much...

[pinecone]

Seriously…run and get her back and do what? Abort the foal? That’s not always practical after a few months of pregnancy; and believe it or not, there is a registration option for part bred Colonial Spanish horses so that foal will have a place to get papers. How you feel it’s the end of the world if that filly is bred, I can’t imagine it. I’ve seen foals in much worse places than Jaime’s grow up just fine. Hell, I’ve seen them born on the range and never get their navel dipped and survive. Imagine that???

DDB, my respect for you and the work you do to preserve your breed has dropped a notch.

Who cares if there is a “registration option” as you say. Adding a bunch of outside blood in the form of a crap quality grade stallion isn’t helping your breed, and the market surely doesn’t need any more of that type of horses, and with the horrid conditions and her inability to keep her horses fenced in, what’s not to make you think your rare breed filly won’t end up oops pregnant to that same crap stallion Every Single Year and never have a chance to produce even one single Colonial?

Sorry to go off on a tangent. There’s not much to add about PP that FrenchFry hasn’t covered perfectly, but your posts have surprised me.

If I’d bred a horse PP owned, I couldn’t get it back fast enough if there were any possible legal way even if I had to buy it back from her.

I think it is naively sweet that members here want to help PP, but I agree with the other posters who’ve pointed out it would just be enabling her irresponsible behavior. If she can’t afford, or is too ill, to properly care for her horses she shouldn’t have so many and she surely should not be breeding more. Help her geld her stallions, help her home some of those horses, help her get counseling if she really does have a mental disorder (if nothing else there is a huge disconnect between reality and her posting persona), but if you just go fix up her place and have a group hug and do nothing to help her change the behavior which got her in the situation in the first place, you’re just enabling her and dragging out the inevitable. What will you do when she’s back in the news again in a year, jingle some more and call the rest of us meanies again?

[Sportpony]

[QUOTE=EqTrainer;5150094]
It is sad to see that people think nothing of the fact that this person came home to an empty farm and her home ransacked and personal possessions stolen. Regardless of the how and why, what a grim situation.[/QUOTE]

I do keep thinking of this with a sense of great sadness … especially coming after a trip that must have required a major effort on her part and what would probably have been a major highlight of her life … not only just attending but being able to ride in demonstrations at the WEG games.

This should have been a major triumph in PP’s life, something she could look back on with great pleasure years down the road. Now she will always remember the disaster … not the pleasure of a once-in-a-lifetime experience.

[ASB_Stars]

[QUOTE=Thomas_1;5150457]

When you’ve finished your little rant about my belief system and what I think you can maybe give her a call and ask for advice for how to polyfilla that chip on your shoulder! :yes::winkgrin:[/QUOTE]

It isn’t about you, Thomas. The world does not, as shocking as this may appear, revolve around you.

However, typical of YOU, you have turned this into an attack, and of course, I should concult with YOU about MY little issues. (all of our issues would be small, compared to say, yours)

I pulled a link that you don’t agree with- fine- it doesn’t change the fact that, at least over here, in the former colonies, hoarding is classified as a form of mental illness- in all of its permutations- from animals to “stuff”.

My post was directed at all and sundry. If I want to direct something, in its entirety, at YOU, I will remember to label it accordingly.

[dalpal]

I would just like to point out before I go about my day…that some of you might want to be careful with your accusations. There is no proof that the person in question has any type of mental disorder…therefore, some of you are boarding on libel. You have no proof that she has any mental disease. The only facts that you have is that she has 6 horses, some cats, and a dog. You disagree with her horse keeping methods…that’s fine. But some of you are seriously crossing the line and you might want to reel it in before you find your own asses handed to you.

[ASB_Stars]

[QUOTE=Event4Life;5150453]
Exactly. What is so special about PP compared to all the others that she gets special treatment/allowance?? It’s ok for her to be in financial hardship and still own & attempt to breed 6 animals, but not anyone else?[/QUOTE]

I’m not saying that there is anything special about her. Perhaps, just maybe, we ought to be a bit more careful across the board (literally) about these things. A bit more circumspect, perhaps?

We have all seen absolute atrocities, here, and elsewhere. There has been news of horrible situations inflicted upon animals shared here. It is easy to get on the bandwagon.

What I am saying, and others seem to be, as well, is that maybe it is better to be bigger than that. There will always be time to come back and give this final analysis, and look for closure. Nothing will be lost, at this point, by waiting.

And I do agree that I would be beside myself if one that I had bred, or had at some point, was at risk. But, at the moment, nothing further can be done than has been, about that situation, either.

[shanky]

[QUOTE=dalpal;5150528]
I would just like to point out before I go about my day…that some of you might want to be careful with your accusations. There is no proof that the person in question has any type of mental disorder…therefore, some of you are boarding on libel. You have no proof that she has any mental disease. The only facts that you have is that she has 6 horses, some cats, and a dog. You disagree with her horse keeping methods…that’s fine. But some of you are seriously crossing the line and you might want to reel it in before you find your own asses handed to you.[/QUOTE]

PP would need to sell some junk on eBay in order to hire a lawyer to go after the folks who are bordering on libel. She should probably use the money on more immediate concerns.

[ASB_Stars]

[QUOTE=dalpal;5150528]
I would just like to point out before I go about my day…that some of you might want to be careful with your accusations. There is no proof that the person in question has any type of mental disorder…therefore, some of you are boarding on libel. You have no proof that she has any mental disease. The only facts that you have is that she has 6 horses, some cats, and a dog. You disagree with her horse keeping methods…that’s fine. But some of you are seriously crossing the line and you might want to reel it in before you find your own asses handed to you.[/QUOTE]

I did not say she was a hoarder, for the record. I simply wanted to provide further information about hoarders, as, if there are any shades of that in this situation, or any other, it should be better understood.

And no, I am not posting this for fear of a libel suit. :lol:

[princessfluffybritch]

quote “Animal hoarding involves keeping higher than usual numbers of animals as pets without having the ability to properly house or care for them, while at the same time denying this inability. Compulsive hoarding can be characterized as a symptom of mental disorder rather than deliberate cruelty towards animals. Hoarders are deeply attached to their pets and find it extremely difficult to let the pets go. They typically cannot comprehend that they are harming their pets by failing to provide them with proper care. Hoarders tend to believe that they provide the right amount of care for their pets.[1] The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals provides a “Hoarding Prevention Team”, which works with hoarders to help them attain a manageable and healthy number of pets” end quote.

Hoarders do not start out with a huge number of animals. It creeps along one by one.

I would imagine that horses look well fed because of the pasture…but what happens when it gets cold and there’s no grass to keep them sufficiently fed.

[Equilibrium]

This is going to royally tick almost all of you off with regards to katarin’s post but don’t care. If you ever lived in that situation in which you tried everything to help that person to know avail, you have no idea what it is like. I’m not talking about people who feel they have no where to turn or those who are too ashamed to ask for help. It is completely different and I understand what she describes. Unless you have been there you cannot know. It is a horrible subject and my heart goes out to anyone who has had to deal with it.

Terri

[princessfluffybritch]

So![](eone asked “Let’s show our pics”

[IMG]http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/kseminolewind/horse/STP60014.jpg)

[IMG]http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/kseminolewind/horse/STP60014.jpg)

Chicken coop
[IMG]http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/kseminolewind/coops/coop004.jpg)

[BaroquePony]

“… [1] The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals provides a “Hoarding Prevention Team”, which works with hoarders to help them attain a manageable and healthy number of pets”.

This seems like a very constructive solution.

[Ridge_Runner]

@pinecone;5150518

DDB, my respect for you and the work you do to preserve your breed has dropped a notch.

Who cares if there is a “registration option” as you say. Adding a bunch of outside blood in the form of a crap quality grade stallion isn’t helping your breed, and the market surely doesn’t need any more of that type of horses, and with the horrid conditions and her inability to keep her horses fenced in, what’s not to make you think your rare breed filly won’t end up oops pregnant to that same crap stallion Every Single Year and never have a chance to produce even one single Colonial?

A part bred foal is not going to dilute the purebred gene pool and I knew when she bought her that she might cross breed this filly. I have bred my stallions to non CS mares when the cross was reasonable and would have a good home. I personally don’t crossbreed my own stock but I don’t feel it’s my business to tell others what to do. There is a part bred registration option for those who chose to do it.

I have two full sisters here, one sister in Ireland, one sister in Switzerland and a full brother here also so her bloodlines are not going to end with her. I did not see 10 oops foals in those videos so I seriously am not worried her stud is going to breed everything in sight. Obviously he is contained well enough.

BTW…electric can hold stallions fine. Mine all live behind Horseguard and I’ve not had an oops foal yet.

I honestly don’t care what you think of me…sorry if that disappoints you.

You saw a video and pics of the front of her property and a few selected shots of nasty stuff…again, how can we be sure that her farm is a death trap for horses? Were any of them injured before they were put on that trailer? It did not look so to me.

Again, many of you are jumping to conclusions without a lot of information nor do we have the other side of the story.

[MistyBlue]

completely nonsequitur;

Princessfluffybritches…that’s one helluva chicken coop! :eek:

[Scaramouch]

You people probably don’t care … and I’m not sure how you define “crap” and “grade” or if you just enjoy throwing the terms around like confetti. But her stallion is something like 15/16 Arabian with known bloodlines, not some QH-ASB-teke-Shetland catastrophe, and doesn’t exactly look like something that would end up on Fugly. That doesn’t mean that she should necessarily be breeding him under her present circumstances, but he’s at least as nice as what some others on this board are breeding. Of course they don’t get into widely publicized messes that beg to be scrutinized but I digress.

[katarine]

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And, btw, what the hell EVER planet are you on that I personally owe PP a power bill? A fence? A round bale? GROW UP, PP< you can’t afford 'em. or move in with Butler, she’s big on delusions of grandeur and group hugs.

[Moderator_1]

We’ve removed an inappropriate and inflammatory post (and addressed it with the poster) and some of the direct responses to it to keep this thread from going totally off the rails.

We appreciate that many posters believe this topic should not be open for discussion, but as the seizure was reported by a verifiable news source, as would be the case with an individual who was not a poster on our forum, the situation is generally fair game. That said, please exercise some tact and make it a discussion vs. target practice, at PP or each other.

Obviously, this situation will be more inflammatory and sensitive, as the subject is a member of our community and and an acquaintance of other posters in real life, and as a frequent poster herself, provided by default a lot of personal background information that feeds into the “story.”

We wish the best for a positive resolution for PP and her animals.

Mod 1

[katarine]

Yesterday, in the heat of the moment, I expressed myself in a way that was easily misconstrued. It is my responsibility to be plainer spoken and clearer in my message. My apologies to those of you who misunderstood what I was trying to say.

That’s the last I have to say on this matter.

[Waterwitch]

It would be really great if some of you would stick to what I think I think is your real issue, which is you are concerned that she may have more horses than she can manage, and not expand this to the free for all on her character and breeding program. Just because someone doesn’t breed what you like, that doesn’t mean they are breeding worthless crap.

The fact is that PP does carefully - ad nauseum - consider the breedings she does. Yes she is blending different breeds together, but these are breeds with complimentary phenotypes, and she is breeding a small number of foals, occasionally, towards a well-defined GOAL. She is breeding for a PURPOSE, and thinking long term about the results, which is more than can be said about some or most breeders on this forum. Funny, but it seems to me that she has sold all of the few foals she has bred into new homes and hasn’t sent them down the road to the auction. Selling youngstock is something many breeders here are having a hard time doing if you read the many posts on the condition of the market.

Is her breeding program unconventional - yes. Thoughtless - no.

[hitchinmygetalong]

@Daydream Believer;5150588

…electric can hold stallions fine. Mine all live behind Horseguard and I’ve not had an oops foal yet.

Maybe not in this particular case. From the news story:

They speculated that Ahern might be struggling financially because she has been using a generator for electricity and hauling kerosene for heat for more than a year.

[Guin]

@dalpal;5150528

I would just like to point out before I go about my day…that some of you might want to be careful with your accusations. There is no proof that the person in question has any type of mental disorder…therefore, some of you are boarding on libel. You have no proof that she has any mental disease. The only facts that you have is that she has 6 horses, some cats, and a dog. You disagree with her horse keeping methods…that’s fine. But some of you are seriously crossing the line and you might want to reel it in before you find your own asses handed to you.

This bears repeating.