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#841

[QUOTE=Nojacketrequired;5154700]
OK, I think I may have pumped my head overnight!:lol:

Anyone who knows who I am on “other” boards will know that I am about the LAST person:yes: in the cyber UNIVERSE to come out in any sort of defense of SiByl (AKA Silver Image Farms), but where is the evidence that she started that thread or that she is the one who is the “ACotHMember” feeding crap on the news comments?

A few people suggested it to me a few days back, and I asked them the same question. Where’s the proof? Isn’t that what we are trying to get in PP’s case? The facts before blaming someone? (Did Hell freeze over that I am defending SiByl and no one told me? I’ll have to stick my head outside…)

I believe that before anyone is found “guilty”, either PP or Sybil, there ought to be proof, not just conjecture, or hope (Or a really good LIKELIHOOD based on past performance, in one case…)

So, proof folks? Just wondering. Or ignore me and carry on.

I for one, will continue to support PP and be secure in my knowledge that although we have very different standards, she would NEVER have left those horses alone to fend for themselves. Never. And she didn’t . There is more here, people. You all will ust have to wait, because telling the details at this point will not help PP or the horses which is what it is all about right now.

Just know things are being taken care of and not everything is what it seems.

To those who have PM’d me, if you are still interested, send me your e-mails and I will send them on to the lady who is co-ordinating things.

A short story for you all from my own life.

3 weeks ago, I mistakenly ended up in a situation that I never in my wildest dreams would have thought could happen. But it DID,and until the wheels of “the system” worked their way through, I was virtually a prisoner although totally innocent of ANYTHING. THAT little stint really opened my eyes to what can happen when you get caught up in The System for whatever reason.
One person in Authority makes a mistake or checks the wrong box and BAM! you’re suddenly being told you have “One phone call, ma’am…”. You start to laugh and realize they aren’t kidding.
Eye opening and terrifying. What if the NEXT person in Authority makes a mistake or is having a bad day? Luckily, I had the money and the lawyer who put a quick stop to that whole ordeal and apologies were said all around…
But someone who didn’t have those rsources would have been screwed.
I’m still dealing with bad nerves from that.

DON’T think the “system” can’t happen to YOU, because it can. Even if you do EVERYTHING right. And when you do a few things a bit below the radar or someone has it out for you or ants what you’ve got and has a better understanding of the law than you do? Well, perhaps then you have even more chance of the System rolling over you.[/QUOTE]

Quite frankly I think Holly/Silver Image Farms/SiByl/whateverhernameis probably ISN’T the one who tattled. From what little I read on the Catchride thread (couldn’t finish it - felt like I needed a shower after the first page. Even the moderator there announced gleefully that she’s enjoying herself immensely and getting a lot of laughs at PP’s expense) that particular poster would be the type to proudly announce she’d strewn the dirty laundry about. She’s probably disappointed she didn’t get to do it first -

#842

Iron Horse Farm…you’re having a rough week in regards to mistaken identity. First you were mistaken for Iron Spring Farm and then Silver Image Farm. Boy, talk about two different ends of the spectrum there, LOL! :winkgrin:

#843

Posted on catchride by FrenchFrytheEqhorse:

"I got sick of waiting for someone to post about this on COTH, so I went ahead and did it myself. I want to see what her followers have to say for her in light of this situation. "

#844

[QUOTE=mbm;5154577]
btw: re: date of the google street image. it cant be that old…Google street has only been around for a couple years. in fact my hometown was one of the first towns posted and that only got put up 3-4 years ago.

it has taken years for Google to get so much put up - and the further out of urban centers you go the longer it took for them to get the images up. i would image there are still parts of the US not posted. the image is also copyrighted 2010.

my best guess would be it is from the last year.[/QUOTE]

Uh, no, google, or msn live, etc have been around more than a few years.

As I stated in the post that was quoted, I have/had 3 properties. I can date the pictures by certain factors.

1, my dad’s car in the driveway, he died in 2003, therefore the pic was from 2003 or prior.
etc, etc.Another one, my horse trailer is on a property, I bought it in 2007, etc. Its not like they take a picture of the world on the same day, and different areas have pics taken at different times, BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THE PICTURES IN THE NEWS ARTICLE ARE LAST WEEK, THE GOOGLE PICTURES ARE SOMETIME IN THE PAST.

MacMtn, you live up in lobsta country and seem to have a high disregard for the neighbor…any chance you could give appjumper a pm and offer a hand in helping?

#845

Could we stick to one board? and stop shooting the messenger. The conspiracy theorists are really in all get out.

Facts folks.

Also, if you don’t like PP being ‘judged and jury’ aren’t you doing the same thing???

#846

Ditto.

#847

[QUOTE=Nojacketrequired;5154700]
OK,
No one is above The System. Nobody.
Yes, absolutely some people deserve it and the AC does a wonderful and useful job. No question. But even they said on the TV that there were “starving horses that needed them”, but they chose to take these first…That in itself makes on wonder what their motives were doesn’t it? WHy didn’t they just fill water (if there was none),and throw hay and pay someone to stay for the duration? Cheaper than taking them all, no?

Anyway…not going on.

NJR[/QUOTE]

Because I don’t think that would be legal for them to do??
It isn’t their job to come do farm sitting chores for someone who seems to be MIA. . . . she has prior history with them and they had no idea where she was or how to reach her. Animal control couldn’t/wouldn’t pay someone to come camp in her yard and care for her horses and pray they didn’t get out and get hit on the road or kick someone in the head. . . the lawsuit that would ensue against A/C would be -far- more than the cost of removing them. When they were called out
by neighbors to investigate an abandoned/neglected animal claim, and found no owner, no water, no response to the posted notice. . . they had no choice but to take them. Stop demonizing them. They are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
I seriously doubt someone in a/c was coveting those horses and that was the ‘motive’ behind the seizure. This country is knee-deep in nice horses begging for homes.

Why are some so willing to string up A/C for taking horses that ‘weren’t starving’ and keep saying that they couldn’t have been without water for two weeks. . no one has said they went two weeks with no food or water, only that there was no water when A/C was called. Even one day with no water is unacceptable.

The neighbors were fed up with the horses getting out, if it’s happening as frequently as some people say (including some of PP’s past posts admitting it) wouldn’t -you- get angry about it after a while when the problem was never addressed and was an ongoing issue for who knows how long? I’m a horse person and I’d be getting really aggravated if I had neighbor horses (stallions included) getting loose and coming to my house with any regularity so I can imagine non-horsey people would be even less enthused by the situation. And if they saw her leave with one of the horses, and days go by and she’s not back, and she’s on bad terms with them so they don’t talk. . what are they supposed to think?? I don’t think they were gleefully waiting for her to pull out of the driveway then sneak over and drain the water so they could bring about the seizure. . . .

and the supposed farm sitter is a key thing here. If she did have one and that farm sitter just wasn’t coming, she’s going to have to admit that she failed to provide the paid for services to the authorities. She would also open herself up to having a suit pressed against her by PP for all this trouble. If there were tanks that big, and they were empty, then they weren’t being filled. . . now nasty neighbors could -possibly- go dump them, but the neighbors can’t create horse feces, which if horses were in round pens, would have to be cleaned away over the course of two weeks. If the farm sitter was coming daily and ignored the notice, that’s also a problem. But no one responded to the notice. . … . .why? This puts the farm sitter in a very peculiar light. Unless she wasn’t supposed to come every day, which is how the notice got missed?

Bizarre.

#848

[QUOTE=cholmberg;5154839]

The neighbors were fed up with the horses getting out, if it’s happening as frequently as some people say (including some of PP’s past posts admitting it) wouldn’t -you- get angry about it after a while when the problem was never addressed and was an ongoing issue for who knows how long?

in this state you get one warning for loose livestock and at the next call you are considered liable and cite-able (is that a word?) of course the dude up the road likes to smoke weed and leaves his front “rope” down and we have to chase the things back into the yard and put the rope up…on state hwy 62…been like that for years…but he has no neighbors but the road frontage anyway

Tamara in TN

#849

How about this scenario: the notice was posted on the FRONT door; the sitter always used the BACK door.

That’s how life works at my house … I can go for weeks at a time and never see or open my front door.

star

#850

NoJacketRequired-that is one scary story.

As is the one Vineyridge posted.

I feel the whole situation is just very sad.
Here is someone who has opened up her trials and tribulations on the internet and instead of sorrow or offers of help, some people are here to publically crucify her.

I haven’t been a member all that long, so I haven’t fallen for some of the scams perpetrated by now banned members. I can understand how that would affect your outlook. Maybe if you’ve been fooled before by a sob story, you’re less likely to give the benefit of the doubt. I understand that.

To me, it just seems that PP is in over her head. Maybe she hasn’t made some sound animal husbandry decisions. Maybe she is afraid to ask for help. But it seems to me that she has always presented herself as a person who does care about her animals. Maybe her view of horsekeeping and how she presents herself and her farm don’t quite jive with how others see it. But I never got the impression she was out to hurt or swindle anyone here. Therefore I’m willing to give her a bit more leniency and the benefit of the doubt. Her posts (the ones I’ve read) have centered on her and her life, not hurting or outing anyone else. I just get the feeling that she is alone a lot, so the internet has become her social network. Would you say to her face some of the things that are being typed here?

I don’t doubt for one second that the water trough could have been emptied by a neighbor trying to speed things up with animal control. If you had been trying to get rid of a neighbor for years, you would know what the hot buttons are to get horses confiscated.

None of us know the real story. It breaks my heart that someone who suffers from fibromyalgia, lives alone and has fallen on hard times can’t even turn to her one source of support to get through

This reminds me of when County passed away.
It’s ok not to agree with or like someone.
It’s not ok to say heartless things in a time of tragedy.
Have we as a society forgotten that?

#851

[QUOTE=ShotenStar;5154882]
How about this scenario: the notice was posted on the FRONT door; the sitter always used the BACK door.

That’s how life works at my house … I can go for weeks at a time and never see or open my front door.

star[/QUOTE]

The photo shows a tag on the front gate with a zip tie?

Edit: it’s in the video. bright yellow card attached to the front gate. no way to miss it.

#852

[QUOTE=JackieBlue;5154808]
Posted on catchride by FrenchFrytheEqhorse:

"I got sick of waiting for someone to post about this on COTH, so I went ahead and did it myself. I want to see what her followers have to say for her in light of this situation. "[/QUOTE]

If you do a search, you’ll note that I actually did start a post regarding the topic here on COTH. I deleted it, and it died once I was directed to THIS thread, which was not started by me or anyone I know.

#853

I am about to pump a spin off thread…watch for it

Tamara in TN

#854

This still assumes there is only one way into the property. It also assumes the sitter would have paid attention to something on the gate … we all know lots and lots of people who simply don’t notice things around them. Lack of attention to details does not always equal malice of forethought.

Star

#855

[QUOTE=ShotenStar;5154933]
This still assumes there is only one way into the property. It also assumes the sitter would have paid attention to something on the gate … we all know lots and lots of people who simply don’t notice things around them. Lack of attention to details does not always equal malice of forethought.

Star[/QUOTE]

I didn’t say it equaled malice. I said it calls into question whether a farm sitter actually came. The gate was shut. The tag was right on the gate where the sitter would have to put her hands to open it. It is bright yellow. Even if it was dark, that yellow would stand out in headlights (No one would turn off lights to drive onto a property with no electricity in the dark) and they would have to practically put their hands right ON it to open the gate. I’m saying that IF a farm sitter came, it would take a special kind of oblivious to miss it. From the overhead views, that is the only way onto the property. . … . which begs the question.

#856

Does anyone know what the coth record thread length is? Surely this is approaching the record, no?

#857

[QUOTE=JackieBlue;5154808]
Posted on catchride by FrenchFrytheEqhorse:

"I got sick of waiting for someone to post about this on COTH, so I went ahead and did it myself. I want to see what her followers have to say for her in light of this situation. "[/QUOTE]

I don’t hang out on Catchride. You can tell because you don’t see my user name there. I don’t traffic in alters. What you see is what you get.

But the link to that BB someone posted here let me peer into that community a bit. Too rough for my taste.

So here’s my question for you FrenchFry: What was the point of your original COTH thread and does it differ in intention from the one implied by your post on Catchride? I know we all get to behave differently with different identities and in different contexts, but I would not have predicted any “I’m going to out a BB poster for what she is” from what I remember reading in your posts on COTH. Have I completely misunderstood?

Yeah, and for those of you explaining that the AC would have exposed itself to litigation by filling water tanks, or the farm sitter is the one who ought to expect a subpoena. Are you kidding me? People don’t sue each other at the drop of a hat. It’s an expensive PITA where even the “winners” pay a steep price. Is there any reason to think that a bunch of people up in a modest-looking county in Maine have the money to make lawsuits happen or even a worthwhile pursuit? I think of lawsuits as the absolute last resort for working out problems, not the first one.

If I’m typical, it makes no sense to think that “hey, with a enough lawyers (and money) all will be made right because the truth will come out.” One must be able to afford that pursuit of truth or a restored reputation.

Which raise another point. If it turns out that this is a misunderstanding or a neighborly feud gone wild, what’s the plan here for making apologies to pintopiaffe or making her continue to feel welcome as she would then clearly deserve? The people in the first few pages who said “Please wait for the facts” or at least pintopiaffe to return had it right. But then-- in the absence of facts and a response by pintopiaffe, the speculation machine continued on its way.

#858

[QUOTE=JackieBlue;5154963]
Does anyone know what the coth record thread length is? Surely this is approaching the record, no?[/QUOTE]

Not even close. . … I remember Suerte’s foal watch thread. . … that one was a marathon!

#859

[QUOTE=JackieBlue;5154963]
Does anyone know what the coth record thread length is? Surely this is approaching the record, no?[/QUOTE]

And don’t forget the child in my pasture or krazy krayola trainer and STICK ART :lol:

#860

Like I mentioned before, I joined this board a month after PP, so have been posting right along with her for years and years. I formed an opinion of some of the things she regularly does quite a long time ago. When I heard about the situation, I pointed out that the neighbor seems a little “out there”, and somehow, just too happy that this happened. I also pointed out that the horses don’t look thin or malnourished. The thing is, PP posts here, and has a lot of friends that post here, so I was interested to see what people thought and to see if PP would chime in or if there was any other information available on the matter (there was- more articles, videos, pictures, etc). At the time at which I started my thread, THIS thread was already several pages long (and already included a plethora of opinions on the matter at hand), I just hadn’t read any of it. I deleted (let it die) my thread for the sake of redundancy. PP has a very public persona on COTH. It was only a matter of time (and is now a matter of public record) before someone posted this thread. And as you can see, it’s not all bad for PP- it would seem about 75% of the posts here are jumping to her defense. So despite not having been the one that “outed” her, I don’t think I would have been in the wrong if I had. The mods here have already merged 3 or 4 threads from other forums on the subject.

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