[QUOTE=cholmberg;5154976]
Not even close. . … I remember Suerte’s foal watch thread. . … that one was a marathon![/QUOTE]
600 pages, I think. Something like that.
Though I have to admit, this one is much more powerful. I’m really beginning to doubt the quality of the community here.
Very, very sad. My heart aches for PP, no matter what the issues.
are you KIDDING?? our society is drowning in frivolous lawsuits, especially injury lawsuits. Their own RULES
FORBID them from just caring for her horses while she is
MIA. Why is that so hard for people to understand? A/C will even tell neighbors NOT to feed horses that are being watched for neglect/cruelty because it can affect the outcome of the case and actually prolong the problem. People absolutely sue at the drop of a hat. If anyone thinks they can get a quick paycheck, you bet your ass they will sue. A/C didn’t just waltz out there and take those horses on a whim. They left a 24 hour notice, as law dictates. The notice went unanswered. Their own rules say at that point they are responsible for those horses and procedure demands they take them into custody.
[QUOTE=MistyBlue;5154761]
Iron Horse Farm…you’re having a rough week in regards to mistaken identity. First you were mistaken for Iron Spring Farm and then Silver Image Farm. Boy, talk about two different ends of the spectrum there, LOL! :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]
Spitting coffee on my keyboard!
My son’s teacher also sent a note home addressed to David and MOLLY :lol::lol::lol::o
[QUOTE=cholmberg;5155000]
are you KIDDING?? our society is drowning in frivolous lawsuits, especially injury lawsuits. Their own RULES
FORBID them from just caring for her horses while she is
MIA. Why is that so hard for people to understand? A/C will even tell neighbors NOT to feed horses that are being [/QUOTE]
Then there are those of us who are aware of the viral lawsuit mania situation, and yet choose to gently help our neighbors avoid falling prey to one, choose to opt to call the teenage drivers dad and ask for help fixing the fence he destroyed instead of calling the police, choose to find a way to settle things out of court, etc.
Maybe we’ll never get rich off the ruination of another’s life, but I believe we do sleep better. 
I think this bit should be required reading for future potential Coth forum members, and they should have to sign agreement to honor it to be allowed to post.
Unfortunately it seems half the current community wouldn’t be here now, had that requirement been in place when they joined…:no:
This thread is definitely making me second guess why I spend any time at all here, and that makes me sad.
I wish there were a “LIKE” button to press!
[QUOTE=Arcadien;5155015]
Then there are those of us who are aware of the viral lawsuit mania situation, and yet choose to gently help our neighbors avoid falling prey to one, choose to opt to call the teenage drivers dad and ask for help fixing the fence he destroyed instead of calling the police, choose to find a way to settle things out of court, etc.
Maybe we’ll never get rich off the ruination of another’s life, but I believe we do sleep better. ;)[/QUOTE]
and I am one of those people. I was struck by a car as a teenager, the driver hadn’t been paying attention. . … crying
kid in the back seat. and guess what? while I was urged to, and could have sued and won. . I didn’t. The lady was traumatized and while I have permanent injury because of that accident. I made it clear to my parents that I didn’t want her sued, and they accepted my wishes even though we were extremely bad off financially.
And simply put, that type of person is in the minority these days because the entitled attitude most people have now days. What if the dad had told you to piss off instead of fixing the fence? hmm?
But if I was driving down that road and horse darted in front of me and wrecked my car and possibly seriously injured me, if the person responsible (and after the unanswered notice that is A/C) didn’t offer to pay all the bills, yes. I’d probably sue to recover damages. If I wasn’t killed outright.
what are you proposing the neighbors do? tell me, what is it those neighbors are supposed to do to be ‘neighborly’? I’m very curious.
[QUOTE=cholmberg;5155000]
are you KIDDING?? our society is drowning in frivolous lawsuits, especially injury lawsuits. Their own RULES
FORBID them from just caring for her horses while she is
MIA. Why is that so hard for people to understand? A/C will even tell neighbors NOT to feed horses that are being watched for neglect/cruelty because it can affect the outcome of the case and actually prolong the problem. People absolutely sue at the drop of a hat. If anyone thinks they can get a quick paycheck, you bet your ass they will sue. A/C didn’t just waltz out there and take those horses on a whim. They left a 24 hour notice, as law dictates. The notice went unanswered. Their own rules say at that point they are responsible for those horses and procedure demands they take them into custody.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but first you have to have the $$$ to file suit. Or you need a contingency-fee attorney who will put that up for you on an investment basis. I don’t think feuds among working-class people where no one has the money to wage war and no one has the deep pockets to empty ever amount to much. But people’s reputations take a beating.
And Frenchfry, I did misinterpret your Catchride post. I thought you meant “I wonder what those pintopiaffe-worshipping COTHers will say now!” You clearly meant something more neutral. Now I get it. Apologies for even asking if you meant something else. Thanks for clearing up my confusion.
[QUOTE=cholmberg;5155043]
But if I was driving down that road and horse darted in front of me and wrecked my car and possibly seriously injured me, if the person responsible (and after the unanswered notice that is A/C) didn’t offer to pay all the bills, yes. I’d probably sue to recover damages. If I wasn’t killed outright.
what are you proposing the neighbors do? tell me, what is it those neighbors are supposed to do to be ‘neighborly’? I’m very curious.[/QUOTE]
Well, in the case you describe, probably police would have to be on the scene anyway. And if they wouldn’t agree to cover my medical costs & fix my vehicle (I would think their homeowners would if it were their horse getting loose, at least in this state) then yes, regrettfully I be forced to sue to at least get put back on my feet.
But that is a big deal event. Whereas filling a water tank, before calling AC, would have just been a kindness. It seems to me no one had any intention of being kind, in this situation. Moreso they couldn’t seem to wait to say “Aha!!! Gotcha!!!” and make the situation look as bad as possible.
I guess that’s the part that bothers me most. Maybe because I have a neighbor that has shown every sign of wishing they could do that to me. I was here 7 years before they built a McMansion next door, but now they clearly do not wish to live next to a horse farm, and would do everything they could to shut me down (sigh).
Anyway, thanks for those that are with me striving to slow down the lawsuit mania! I must not be the only one who believes it doesn’t always have to be someone’s fault, or that someone has to pay me for every accident I might incur. Sometimes we can just work together to make things better again.
It seems as if most people like PP, or at least her persona on this board. To me she sounds like a nice person who cares for animals, but for myriad reasons her animal care standards dropped too low.
I also don’t read a lot of posts “attacking” her. People are writing that they have been moved to tears at the meanness lurking her. Aside from the odd post, where is this life altering meanness? I don’t see where posting an opinion about a situation that is being reported on in the news is not fair game. PP herself has used this board to share huge amounts of her life with, why the heck would the board members in turn not share their opinions of her publicly posted life?
I haven’t seen much “attacking” of PP going on, I am more surprised at the legion of creative excuses being posted. There are some facts, but they all seem to be met with excuses as to how they aren’t really true! If we were to accept the excuses we’d be left with"
AC has a vendetta against PP
vet has a vendetta against PP
neighbors have a vendetta against PP
-someone emptied out the horse water, put tons of manure in the round pens and stuck multiple horses in there
the prior conviction for animal cruelty was unjust and unfair
other farms have worse fencing than PP, so hers is fine
other horses have gotten loose, so it is fine that PP’s horses habitually do this
PP doesn’t have designer barn and clothes for her horses, and we are all rich people who inherited and thus hate her for her lack of name brand items
PP hired a sitter. Sitter may have:
PP can breed what she darn well likes, we are mean (and snobby) to suggest she hold off until money for hay secured and hopefully fencing
her mares didn’t catch anyway, so why are we being bitchy and bringing up the breeding anyway?
PP totally in the right to be buying frivolous items while on her trip of a lifetime
others have left horses alone for weeks so it is fine for PP to do so
PP now the subject of cruel break-in in which recently purchased saddle is stolen - and this break-in occured as a result of mean COTH postings. No problem buying saddle instead of fencing, hay, staples of life…this is America! She has the right to do whatever she likes.
we all need to be spending her money so she can breed more - er, I mean fix her fences. We are mean if we don’t.
I mean - really?? One or two of these examples may be excusable - but so many?
And thusly I open myself up to the claims of being a meanie, uncaring, elitist and jealous. Even though I would guess PP has the best intentions, but has to be held accountable for her situation IN WHICH SHE GOT HERSELF INTO. And this happened over time, willfully, and not as a result of a catastrophic event.
Whatever your OPINION, PP is, under Maine rules, due a hearing, where any allegations by the neighbour/animal control/etc. will have to be PROVEN. Until that time it may be prudent to keep your OPINION to yourself.
[QUOTE=fivehorses;5154814]
Uh, no, google, or msn live, etc have been around more than a few years.
As I stated in the post that was quoted, I have/had 3 properties. I can date the pictures by certain factors.
1, my dad’s car in the driveway, he died in 2003, therefore the pic was from 2003 or prior.
etc, etc.Another one, my horse trailer is on a property, I bought it in 2007, etc. Its not like they take a picture of the world on the same day, and different areas have pics taken at different times, BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THE PICTURES IN THE NEWS ARTICLE ARE LAST WEEK, THE GOOGLE PICTURES ARE SOMETIME IN THE PAST.
MacMtn, you live up in lobsta country and seem to have a high disregard for the neighbor…any chance you could give appjumper a pm and offer a hand in helping?[/QUOTE]
there is a difference between google earth and google streetview.
google earth is created by satellite pics…google street view is created by vans driving around taking pics of the streets… street by street all across the US. they started with the SF bay area and went from there. last year they were filming the rural areas where i live now.
the image is copyrighted 2010.
eta
Google is scary. Very, very scary. I didn’t realize they were funding street by street photography, now into rural areas. Why would they want to do that, except to have more personal information to sell advertisers?
It makes me wonder about the Russian immigrant founders. But then I am one who tends to wonder just what motivates people to do what they do. 
[QUOTE=Equibrit;5155143]
Whatever your OPINION, PP is, under Maine rules, due a hearing, where any allegations by the neighbour/animal control/etc. will have to be PROVEN. Until that time it may be prudent to keep your OPINION to yourself.[/QUOTE]
ha ha - who the hell do I think I am?? Posting an opinion on a discussion board about a news report…damn opinions. Seems like everyone has one, just don’t have a dissenting one or you’re a big old meanie!
You for real Equibrit? You think you should be telling people on a discussion board not to post their opinion? You posted yours earlier.
Since she has an animal cruelty conviction already - may I opine on that? Or is that off limits as well since it must’ve been an unfair conviction?
Not to pick on you, Equibrit - but I posted below like ten pages back, and there is still no response.
I just don’t get how PP is any different from any other seizure situation and gets special treatment because of the number of posts she has on COTH. Or even because people like her posts.
This kind of defense is simply not the normal response. So please explain this to me in small words so that I can understand what makes this case so special that the human gets more defense than the horses and cats get offers of help?
[quote=LLDM;5150964]With all due respect, I think Pwynn (who I consider a friend) would have been tarred and feathered if AC had seized her horses when she was out of town - regardless of Teddy or not. If she were breeding AND unable to care for her horses (ponies) properly, no one would care if it were Pwynn or Iron Spring or Calumet.
I think pretty much anyone who’s had their horses taken by AC as been treated much the same around here. Nor am I aware how much patience folks here have had for their circumstances. The woman in Orange was apparently so ill she died within months of the seizure at 50-something. No one felt sorry for her (and I am not saying they should have - I am just sayn’). So I am unsure why being a “popular poster” changes what it normal behavior for this BB?
I have zero opinion on the PP issue - don’t know yet - too soon to tell how valid the seizure was. But I do find what appears to be a double standard on this board to be rather disturbing.
It is unusual for AC to take on horses if they feel they have any choice, budgets being what they are (or, more likely, aren’t) these days. But that does not mean they don’t/can’t overreact or get things wrong now and again. IME, it is AC who usually gets the benefit of the doubt around here in seizure cases.
If they are wrong and PP has been properly caring for her horses, then it is truly a tragedy for all concerned. For PP and for all the horses who do need help, but may not get it because the AC got one wrong.
SCFarm
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This was in response to another poster, who brought up Pwynn and Teddy.
SCFarm
for fwiw, i dont know PP or even read many of her posts. i only “heard” about this becuase one of the original threads was posted in teh dressage forum where i live.
it doesn’t matter WHO it is. in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. period.
i think if you read my posts you will see that this goes along with how i post here.
i just think, as i have posted already - that we don’t know the facts.
and, knowing COTH i knew PP was going to get tarred and feathered. i just know how horrid some of the folks are…
i think this thread has stayed as it is because of the folks that keep inserting rational comments. otherwise i am sure it would of been more ugly that it is.
the person that mentioned The System is correct. be thankful if you have never been caught up in it.
Why? Because it is useful. I have used Street View to check out the neighborhood when booking hotels. I have used it to look at the homes and the nearby area when I was considering buying. I have used it to check out areas where I am going to travel, so I can see landmarks to help navigate, plan a route, or make it easier to find places when I arrive. I have checked out businesses to see how large they are and if I feel they are worth stopping by. There are a million reasons why you might want to take a look at a place without actually driving there.
I plan on fixing a nice stiff drink and some popcorn next time an abuse/neglect thread starts and posters start screaming about hoping the alleged abusers are cursed with eternal diarrhea and ingrown nosehairs and the like.
Hope I get there quick enough to be the one to reference this thread and remind everyone to simmer down and wait until a conviction to pass judgment. Apparently, you’re only allowed to offer opinions and observations based on the available knowledge of the situation on those that are not members of COTH.
I, for one, didn’t condemn PP. But I did offer an opinion based on what has been posted here and the newspaper accounts. Doesn’t look good, but there is at least as much evidence against PP as against many others that have been publicly flogged here in the past. I believe PP has good intentions but has gotten in way over her head. Letting go of her beloved animals was probably too much to consider and I’m sure she thinks things will get better if she just hangs on long enough. In the meantime, the animals suffer.
This entire thread reminds me of the “rescue” a few years ago with the “breeding operation (grade PMU stallion anyone?)” begging for hay money on COTH and then buying a brand spanking new truck. When taken to task by a few brave souls, the rallying cry of the COTH elders could be heard for miles…
I actually was house sitting for a friend. I was stopping in 3 times per day. Before and after work and right before bedtime so maybe 9:30-10:30pm.
The neighbor called the SPCA indicating to them the 3 dogs had been abandoned without food & water. The dogs had a dog door to a screened porch then out to a fenced yard. There was a 5 gallon waterer that I refilled daily it was out of sight on the porch.
They had a lab so if you left down free choice food he would be the size of the house.
I got the note after the SPCA had closed. I never was actually able to get ahold of the SPCA. I left multiple messages and so did the homeowner when he got home.
I did run into the neighbor who made the report to the SPCA. They were horrified. They just didn’t happen to look over when I was there.
Morning and afternoon trips I was only there about 20 minutes at a time. The PM trip I was normally there about an hour but it was after dark so unless they saw me pull in the drive they wouldn’t see me.
Yes, I did see the note but I can easily see where a neighbor may never see the farm sitter. Especially if all she is showing up to do is top off water, maybe chuck some grain at them, check on kitties in house, run an eye over the horse to make sure a leg isn’t falling off and only roll out a new bale of hay every couple of days as they finish off the old one. What 15-20 minutes and maybe a little longer on the day you need to roll out the hay bale or two? Easy enough for the neighbor to miss.
There have also been plenty of examples on this board alone of pet sitters not doing what they were supposed to do, getting dates wrong and just plain not showing up.
As far as the manure in the round pen at this point we don’t know whether the farm sitter was supposed to be cleaning out the manure and wasn’t. We don’t know if those horse were even supposed to be in there the for the amount of time they were. We don’t know all the facts.
I do not see starving horses on the photos, videos.
I do wish that some of the apparent money and effort that PP put into her WEG trip had gone towards repairing the fences so they wouldn’t keep escaping.
I do understand that fibromyalgia is real but PP did make the choice on the number of horses she has and made the choice to apparently try to breed for more. Would that have been my choice if I was a single person with a potentiall debilitating disease with limited financial resources?- Likely not.
I do think the whole situation is a shame for everybody involved including the horses and the neighbors. too. Yes, the neighbor on the video did seem a bit gleeful about the seizure. However that may be a byproduct of having her expensive landscaping and gardens destroyed one too many times by escaped horses. That has to wear thin after a bit.
I think I’ll do what I can for PP and just pray for her. I don’t need to know where she needs help. God does. And hopefully he can give her the strength to get through this situation and make the corrections she needs to. I don’t know her, but I do feel badly for anyone that is being attacked.
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