[QUOTE=mbm;5146700]
you know, the internet is great for a lot of stuff, but this circling of the vultures is really just gross.
its like people hope someone does something wrong so they can revile them etc.
it is just sick, and not very - well - nice.[/QUOTE]
ditto
Pintopiaffe has always struck me as a very caring horse owner.
I really hope that there is more to this than meets the eye.
Why would this thread be locked? I think that would only be worse. At least this way, people can continue to discuss the various scenarios that could have happened.
Personally, as mentioned, I donāt believe that PP would have left her horses with no food or water in a MILLION YEARS.
HOWEVER, if there is some history, as it seems there may be between her, her neighbours and the Humane Society and the horses REALLY had no water, (for whatever reason), then the Humane Society did the right thing as the law reads that the animals must have access to food and water.
PM me, Jaeme.
NJR
[QUOTE=mbm;5146692]
i do not know. all i know is they said in the story and it was also written on the web page that those particular animals were not available but they had plenty others that were.
i just find it odd that there are being asked for those horses enough for them to say that.[/QUOTE]
I live in Maine. Iām not going to comment on anything else because I donāt have enough information.
However, I did want to reply to mbmās quote. Itās my observation that the idea of rescuing a horse brings offers out of the woodwork, especially if there is a highly publicized siezure.
Last year several horses were seized by my local shelter. Within hours they had far more home offers than there were horses.
The same phenomena happens at Camelot. A few weeks ago when the auction was closed for a week, the wonderful people who put so much effort into helping those horses thought it would be a great opportunity to showcase some of the horses at the rescues. After all, if some of the horses were adopted, then the rescues could āpullā more from Camelot. Very few horses were adopted that week, less than 10. Yet homes are found for 20-40 horse every week to ārescueā them from Camelot.
So just because there are people saying they āwantā the horses siezed in Dedham, doesnāt mean there were people waiting to take advantage of the siezure to get there hands on the horses. Some people just like the idea of ārescuingā.
http://www.maine.gov/agriculture/aw/awac.html
One of the people mentioned in the article is on this list. Good luck on a Saturday.
JGHIRETIRE, I have had the exact same. SPCA refused to even do anything in one case (the only one necessitating SPCA, imo). Makes it pretty darn hard to trust and leave your animals in someone elseās care, even when everything checks out and you do your best to ensure adequate care in your absence 
I may be one of the few folks on here who have met PP. She and I met at the Equine Affaire in 2007 and she took home a weanling I sold her. That is the cream looking filly with the ill fitting halter in the one pic. She does not look skinny to me. Anyway, Jaime impressed me as a very nice person and super sweet. She was very good with the filly. I shared my camper with her for one/two nights and she is not some kind of psycho nutcase.
I do recall her posting on here and she emailed me as to how to contain this filly whoād grown up into an escape artist. She told me she was cited for her being loose. If there is a prior issue listed, that may well be it.
Mao, a poster on this forum that I also know personally, did seen Pintopiaffe at WEG. She is/was there. That is fact.
I suspect this is a situation of pissy neighbors and perhaps a farmsitter who did not do what they were supposed to do.
Iām going to call tomorrow and make sure someone knows that I am the breeder and former owner of that filly and that if there is to be a disposal of Jaimeās horses, that she comes back to me. I hope that does not happen but as a rare breed horse, we canāt afford to lose her. Perhaps some of us on here might be able to help with Jaimeās other horses to keep them from disappearing somewhere. I need another horse like I need a hole in the head but I will take back any horse Iāve bred.
As for enforcement and standards for the different statesā¦it can vary enormously. Wyoming is very lax for example and they have done nothing after years of complaints of a certain ranch I know of that has āwinter killā of horses yearly, none receive vet care, horses left out to die alone, etcā¦ and itās gone on for years and nothing has ever been done. Here in Virginia theyād be in prison for the same thingsā¦so what is tolerated in one area is not in another and it seems like there are neighbor issues to be taken into consideration.
Iām withholding judgment for now. From what I saw, the pictures didnāt match up with what the neighbors were saying the conditions were, and something about the whole story just seems a bit off. And Iām only vaguely aware of PP from her posts on the dressage board and tend to regard people on the internet with suspicion, so this isnāt because I think I know her or anything.
a person VERY VERY close to me left for a short three day vacation,entrusting the care of the horses to a horse sitter
one of the horses choked firmly on the first load of hay put out on the first dayā¦he remain in that condition, until the owners return and emergency vet care three nights later
his inability to swallow,inability to drink and green dribble coming out his nose, as well as his increasingly tucked up appearance totally escaped the twice a day checks
for three days
Tamara in TN
Daydream Believer, thanks for adding some real information. I hope it all works out, especially for your filly. In almost 20 years I have twice had my worker not show. It is a horrible feeling to know your horses were without care and in my case it was only about 4-5 hours.
Yes, everyone, settle down. This bulletin board is best suited for enabling delusion, not disabusing it.
Rogerā¦editted to addā¦
Thank you and doneā¦
NJR
[QUOTE=Nojacketrequired;5146715]
At least this way, people can continue to discuss the various scenarios that could have happened. [/QUOTE]
Why is that so important? Itās personal to the owner, no? And thatās not what was happening on page 1, either - discussing various scenarios.
[QUOTE=SandyUHC;5146587]
That brown horse is pretty thin.[/QUOTE] soo, why did you post that???
I feel very sad right now. I think that is all I want to say.
Thanksā¦I did find the number and left a message. Their office is closed until Tuesday and of course Iāll be out of town starting on Monday and in the mountains with limited cell service. I gave them my name, phone numbers and my husbandās numberā¦so hopefully this can be resolved. I have a friend in Vermont who may be able to pick up Sky if she is going to be āadoptedā out and keep her until I can get her home. What a mess.
I really do thing this whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. I suspect pissy neighbors and an overzealous animal control officer as well as a farm sitter who has not shown up. I hope it can be resolved somehow and that itās just a huge misunderstanding.
Iām going to be gone for five days in the near future. I have a house-sitter lined up for the dogs, and a horse care back-up who will be checking in daily. But right now, IāM freaking out. Hope PP checks in soon and this has a good resolution for her. This is really awful.
From PPās posts over the years, I have no doubt that she loves her horses dearly and is very committed to her breeding āprogram.ā But there also have been some red flags for me among her posts.
Iāve had to travel for extended periods (weeks) and would only leave horses in the care of my son or my SO (a very experienced horseperson) with the person staying at the house to also care for cats and dogs.
On the other hand, SO and I did go away one time for a long weekend (Friday evening to Monday morning) and had a āhorse sitter.ā She was instructed to feed in the stalls and turn out. When I got to barn that Monday AM, all horses were in and obviously had been for some time ā¦ no water in buckets, no hay and the stalls a total disaster area. She had the nerve to call and ask me when she would be paid. About the same time you get over here to clean these stalls! I was in tears for my horses. So stuff does happen.
Hope this works out well for all involved. Werenāt there more than 2 cats??
[QUOTE=cmdrcltr;5146718]
I live in Maine. Iām not going to comment on anything else because I donāt have enough information.
However, I did want to reply to mbmās quote. Itās my observation that the idea of rescuing a horse brings offers out of the woodwork, especially if there is a highly publicized siezure.
Last year several horses were seized by my local shelter. Within hours they had far more home offers than there were horses.
The same phenomena happens at Camelot. A few weeks ago when the auction was closed for a week, the wonderful people who put so much effort into helping those horses thought it would be a great opportunity to showcase some of the horses at the rescues. After all, if some of the horses were adopted, then the rescues could āpullā more from Camelot. Very few horses were adopted that week, less than 10. Yet homes are found for 20-40 horse every week to ārescueā them from Camelot.
So just because there are people saying they āwantā the horses siezed in Dedham, doesnāt mean there were people waiting to take advantage of the siezure to get there hands on the horses. Some people just like the idea of ārescuingā.[/QUOTE]
And donāt for one second think that the SPCA/HS is not motivated by such factors. Particularly certain branches, and when puppies or fluffy horses are involved.
The experience of our personal family friend (previously mentioned) has been a horror to behold and has really opened my eyes to the atrocities of the SPCA/HS and their conniving, greed-fueled ways at times (not all, but many, so it seems). Not saying that is the case here, however I am simply pointing it out as a possibility. The media too loves misconstruing statements and will publish false information over fact when it will sell more papers and create a stir.
The whole thing is really sad.
Would the easiest solution to be to have a few of us call the local humane division that impounded the horses and tell them that we believe she is meerly on vacation and that it is believed she had a farm sitter that was supposed to be caring for the animals not that she has up and abandonded them?
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