SAFE Act for horse slaughter ban- signatures needed

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=ToTheNines;7119415]
Signed. The horse slaughter industry is awful and would be more awful the more is it allowed to grow. Have absolutely no confidence that greed will not overpower the well being of horses.[/QUOTE]

The same can be said for most anything we do, not only with horses.
Are you also for a push to ban it all, because you think “someone may not do it right”?

No more churches, schools, nursing homes.
No more racing, eventing, western events, endurance, saddlebreds, hey, even rescues, now that is hard to believe it, is is.
Just ban it all because, look at the stories, someone, somewhere didn’t do it right.

My point, that so many seem to just keep missing:
We are not talking about how to conduct slaughter, but about the animal rights extremist agenda to BAN all we do with animals, here using horse slaughter as the “easy pickin’s”.

Just think first, make sense of what really is going on here and then, vote best it suits you, of course.:yes:

[Moderator_1]

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[LauraKY]

@Bluey;7119438

No more churches, schools, nursing homes.
No more racing, eventing, western events, endurance, saddlebreds, hey, even rescues, now that is hard to believe it, is is.
Just ban it all because, look at the stories, someone, somewhere didn’t do it right.

Horse Slaughter

Typical SAT question.

Which of these things is not like the others.

Bingo, horse slaughter.

Horses are not raised for food in this country. That’s a pretty simple concept.

[lilydog2]

•Bluey, Those who support a ban on horse slaughter support a ban on horse slaughter. There is no hidden agenda here, only a firm belief that horses are companion animals who have contributed to mankind in enumerable ways. They should not have eyes blown out with a captive bolt gun that misses the mark. In many cases the gun does not render a horse unconscious, leaving it fully aware of being hauled up by one leg and having its throat to bleed out on the floor.

You keep mentioning the NYC carriage horses. If a ban is in fact instituted, do you really think that the owners, Coalition to Ban Carriage Horses or NYCLASS really have a plan for their rehoming? So what will happen to the 200+ carriage horses? Will the New Holland, PA auction be their new home? And where do you think they’d go from there? We who support a ban on horse slaughter wish to save American horses from the horrific death I have described. I couldn’t care less about your goldfish.

There is a quote from the Little Prince that I am very fond of: “You are responsible forever for that which you have tamed.” Responsible horse ownership involves the use of euthanasia, a good death, not the barbaric, inhumane practice of sending a horse off to auction to be picked up by a kill buyer and transported hellishly to slaughter.

[jetsmom]

[QUOTE=lilydog2;7119467]
•Bluey, Those who support a ban on horse slaughter support a ban on horse slaughter. There is no hidden agenda here, only a firm belief that horses are companion animals who have contributed to mankind in enumerable ways. They should not have eyes blown out with a captive bolt gun that misses the mark. In many cases the gun does not render a horse unconscious, leaving it fully aware of being hauled up by one leg and having its throat to bleed out on the floor.

You keep mentioning the NYC carriage horses. If a ban is in fact instituted, do you really think that the owners, Coalition to Ban Carriage Horses or NYCLASS really have a plan for their rehoming? So what will happen to the 200+ carriage horses? Will the New Holland, PA auction be their new home? And where do you think they’d go from there? We who support a ban on horse slaughter wish to save American horses from the horrific death I have described. I couldn’t care less about your goldfish.

There is a quote from the Little Prince that I am very fond of: “You are responsible forever for that which you have tamed.” Responsible horse ownership involves the use of euthanasia, a good death, not the barbaric, inhumane practice of sending a horse off to auction to be picked up by a kill buyer and transported hellishly to slaughter.[/QUOTE]

I agree.

But Bluey doesn’t support banning anything that the HSUS supports. She doesn’t support banning things like dogfighting, horse tripping cockfighting etc, because the HSUS also supports banning them. She may be happy when they get banned thru someone else’s doings, because she doesn’t actually support those things, but she won’t speak out to ban them because she won’t support any issue the HSUS supports. Oh, and also everyone that wants to ban ANYTHING is a RARA, and wants to end all animal ownership, according to her.

I believe that one can support a ban on a cruel activity without being an ARA…it’s called being for animal welfare.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=jetsmom;7119475]
I agree.

But Bluey doesn’t support banning anything that the HSUS supports. She doesn’t support banning things like dogfighting, horse tripping cockfighting etc, because the HSUS also supports banning them. She may be happy when they get banned thru someone else’s doings, because she doesn’t actually support those things, but she won’t speak out to ban them because she won’t support any issue the HSUS supports. Oh, and also everyone that wants to ban ANYTHING is a RARA, and wants to end all animal ownership, according to her.

I believe that one can support a ban on a cruel activity without being an ARA…it’s called being for animal welfare.[/QUOTE]

Psst, sorry to repeat this again, but your guess about what I am or am not is wrong.:yes:

Hey, you forgot I eat puppies for breakfast too.:eek:

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=lilydog2;7119467]
•Bluey, Those who support a ban on horse slaughter support a ban on horse slaughter. There is no hidden agenda here, only a firm belief that horses are companion animals who have contributed to mankind in enumerable ways. They should not have eyes blown out with a captive bolt gun that misses the mark. In many cases the gun does not render a horse unconscious, leaving it fully aware of being hauled up by one leg and having its throat to bleed out on the floor.

You keep mentioning the NYC carriage horses. If a ban is in fact instituted, do you really think that the owners, Coalition to Ban Carriage Horses or NYCLASS really have a plan for their rehoming? So what will happen to the 200+ carriage horses? Will the New Holland, PA auction be their new home? And where do you think they’d go from there? We who support a ban on horse slaughter wish to save American horses from the horrific death I have described. I couldn’t care less about your goldfish.

There is a quote from the Little Prince that I am very fond of: “You are responsible forever for that which you have tamed.” Responsible horse ownership involves the use of euthanasia, a good death, not the barbaric, inhumane practice of sending a horse off to auction to be picked up by a kill buyer and transported hellishly to slaughter.[/QUOTE]

Your whole post reflects animal rights extremist propaganda, that you seem to have swallowed line, sinker and hook.:no:

Of course everyone just “knows” how terrible everything is, animal rights extremists are the only ones that get to yell that from the roof tops, I call it the abuse and mismanagement card.

Look around you and SEE if you really think slaughter is the Keystone Kops movie animal rights extremists keep making it seem in their propaganda.
Does that really make any sense to you, any more than insisting all churches need to be banned, look what all they do that is wrong?

Those that are led by agendas, that in the end will cost us our rights to have animals, will still be insisting when that happens “it is because we didn’t do it right, of course”, blissfully unaware of how we were undermined at every turn.:rolleyes:

[LauraKY]

Horses are not raised for food in this country. Nothing more really needs to be said.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=LauraKY;7119509]
Horses are not raised for food in this country. Nothing more really needs to be said.[/QUOTE]

Irrelevant.
Neither are milk cows/goats, or laying hens, but they too end up slaughtered once we don’t have other uses for them, as the resource they are for our societies, as we have done with horses for millennia and still do in most of the world.
Nothing more really needs to be said.:yes:

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=lilydog2;7119467]
•Bluey, Those who support a ban on horse slaughter support a ban on horse slaughter. There is no hidden agenda here, only a firm belief that horses are companion animals who have contributed to mankind in enumerable ways. They should not have eyes blown out with a captive bolt gun that misses the mark. In many cases the gun does not render a horse unconscious, leaving it fully aware of being hauled up by one leg and having its throat to bleed out on the floor.

You keep mentioning the NYC carriage horses. If a ban is in fact instituted, do you really think that the owners, Coalition to Ban Carriage Horses or NYCLASS really have a plan for their rehoming? So what will happen to the 200+ carriage horses? Will the New Holland, PA auction be their new home? And where do you think they’d go from there? We who support a ban on horse slaughter wish to save American horses from the horrific death I have described. I couldn’t care less about your goldfish.

There is a quote from the Little Prince that I am very fond of: “You are responsible forever for that which you have tamed.” Responsible horse ownership involves the use of euthanasia, a good death, not the barbaric, inhumane practice of sending a horse off to auction to be picked up by a kill buyer and transported hellishly to slaughter.[/QUOTE]

Oh my…
the MLPs are out in full force this weekend…

A) we’ve been discussing the ‘hellish’ conditions for years. And the BAN side never had solutions, just BAN.

B) the Carriage horse problem is a broader one than just 200 horses. Read the proposed bill that would turn valuable working horses into useless lawn ornaments overnight, while prohibiting the owners from keeping them, selling them as they saw fit, but only sell or hand them over to approved sanctuaries and non-working homes, with work clearly defined as anything besides eating and pooping. Not just for money.

I guess slaughter plants popping up all over the country, the RARAs are getting desperate…they are losing ground, not gaining on that front.

BTW, cows are noble creatures, and truth be told, more oxen pulled the prairie schooners than horses and mules combined…pig are way more inteligent than horses, and chickens are amusing complex critters as well.
But only the oh so noble horse is off limits for eating?

Ok, if you have the bond with your beast. I promise I won’t make you slaughter it.

Can you now back out of other people’s business and let them deal with their horses as they see fit?!
You are of course free to purchase the 100+k horses slaited to go to the plants each year, the 75k the Navajos can no longer feed, and the 90k the BLM is warehousing.
and now, not in a year, or 5.
and next year we sell you another 100k…how about that!

[LauraKY]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7119516]
Irrelevant.
Neither are milk cows/goats, or laying hens, but they too end up slaughtered once we don’t have other uses for them, as the resource they are for our societies, as we have done with horses for millennia and still do in most of the world.
Nothing more really needs to be said.:yes:[/QUOTE]

No, it’s not irrelevant. Milk cows/goat and laying hens are raised as food producing animals and are subject to veterinary medication restrictions and identification requirements. Not irrelevant at all.

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/traceability/

I have to say, I’ve never seen anyone riding a cow, goat or chicken on a trail ride either.

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=Susan P;7119294]
and who is behind horse slaughter…? Rhetorical question, I already know. I don’t know why you always hijack threads about horse slaughter and always have to get the last word, and always, always have to win and put down anyone who disagrees with you. Follow the money, horse slaughter is a profitable business with liars, thieves and immoral people in the biz, just look at the auctions and feed lots and you will see it clearly.[/QUOTE]

So is Hollywood and TV land. They slaughter each other over a few ratings. But you don’t ask for them to be banned. Wayne is the CEO of a very powerful operation. HSUS has been protected by the IRS and more and more is now coming out as other Governors and Congressmen/women are producing requests for investigations that have been ignored.

When they have 50 plus lawyers AND very influential individuyals on their BOD who are in a position to further their agenda…then the meat industry has a lot to be concerned about.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=LauraKY;7119531]
No, it’s not irrelevant. milk cows/goat and laying hens are raised as food producing animals and are subject to veterinary medication restrictions. Not irrelevant at all.

I have to say, I’ve never seen anyone riding a cow/goat or chicken on a trail ride either.[/QUOTE]

Yes, you are again trying to confuse how to manage with the animal rights extremist BAN horse slaughter.

Any concerns about what is fit for human consumption is determined by laws and regulations, inspecting, testing protocols and such.
That is HOW to conduct the process slaughter is, one more of many regulated processes out there.:yes:

Those are already in place and working just fine for all species.

Irrelevant HOW to handle slaughter, when the cry here is BAN outright.

[LauraKY]

[QUOTE=Alagirl;7119527]

Can you now back out of other people’s business and let them deal with their horses as they see fit?!
You are of course free to purchase the 100+k horses slaited to go to the plants each year, the 75k the Navajos can no longer feed, and the 90k the BLM is warehousing.
and now, not in a year, or 5.
and next year we sell you another 100k…how about that![/QUOTE]

Bzzt. Not a problem. They will be absorbed into the economy, just like the extra 300,000+ horses per year were absorbed between 1990 and 1997 when the slaughter numbers dropped. Horse slaughter numbers are based on demand, not availability.

[LauraKY]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7119542]
Yes, you are again trying to confuse how to manage with the animal rights extremist BAN horse slaughter.

Any concerns about what is fit for human consumption is determined by laws and regulations, inspecting, testing protocols and such.
That is HOW to conduct the process slaughter is, one more of many regulated processes out there.:yes:

Those are already in place and working just fine for all species.

Irrelevant HOW to handle slaughter, when the cry here is BAN outright.[/QUOTE]

So then, what you’re suggesting is to apply the APHIS ID requirements and tracking to horses too? And restricting veterinary medications to only those allowed in livestock intended for the food supply? Goodbye bute and clenbuterol, among others.

Is that really what you’re proposing?

**I do disagree with your “working just fine for all species”, but that’s a discussion for another day.

[Fairfax]

A most revealing fact for me is: Last year, the threads were only on the equine slaughter. They have now morphed into how evil the whole slaughter industry is.

And that…is the agenda

More revealing on this board…so few horse breeders and at best…the odd person may own 2 or WOW 3…usually just oldies.

As Mary said (Sunridge) … she doesn’t care…by the time they come looking for her horses she will be dead). Many of us want to ensure that horses will be able to lead PRODUCTIVE lives through usage.

The frightening part about the carriage horse problem is the demand that the owners be relieved of their horses and that the protestors who are non horse owners be the only ones who can determine what is a suitable home for them. It is the point they are demanding the owners GIVE THEM the horses. Not sell…They want the right to seize them.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=LauraKY;7119553]
So then, what you’re suggesting is to apply the APHIS ID requirements and tracking to horses too? And restricting veterinary medications to only those allowed in livestock intended for the food supply? Goodbye bute and clenbuterol, among others.

Is that really what you’re proposing?

**I do disagree with your “working just fine for all species”, but that’s a discussion for another day.[/QUOTE]

Will try again, this is not about what anyone may or not propose in how to conduct slaughter, not at all.

Do we really need to post a definition of what “BAN horse slaughter” is?

Ok, ok, the animal rights extremist driven “BAN horse slaughter” is about eliminating any horse slaughter, nothing else to be guessed here matters.

Especially since, as you yourself have stated, it is a done deal.

[LauraKY]

We’re not talking about carriage horses. Completely different subject.

[LauraKY]

[QUOTE=Bluey;7119560]
Will try again, this is not about what anyone may or not propose in how to conduct slaughter, not at all.

Do we really need to post a definition of what “BAN horse slaughter” is?

Ok, ok, the animal rights extremist driven “BAN horse slaughter” is about eliminating any horse slaughter, nothing else to be guessed here matters.

Especially since, as you yourself have stated, it is a done deal.[/QUOTE]

Except I didn’t say it was a done deal, did I? No, sure didn’t. I said it must be getting close.

Yes, eliminate horses slaughter means a ban. Yes indeed it does. And I’m all for a ban.

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=LauraKY;7119547]
Bzzt. Not a problem. They will be absorbed into the economy, just like the extra 300,000+ horses per year were absorbed between 1990 and 1997 when the slaughter numbers dropped. Horse slaughter numbers are based on demand, not availability.[/QUOTE]

Miss interpretation of the stats.

They were NOT absolrbed. That is why there is a huge backlog now

IF castration and euthanization clinics are so easy to establish as an alternative why are they not all over the U.S.A. right now. IF the anti slaughter groups truly believed they would CURE the problem…they should get them up and running.

Please answer…Susie wants to sell her horse. Takes it to an auction. Why is it these absorable homes are not purchasing this bargain at $50.00

WHERE are all of these homes? Why are rescues dumping horses at auctions? If there were homes for every horse…New Holland would not have meat buyers