SAFE Act for horse slaughter ban- signatures needed

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=Susan P;7119371]
Horses aren’t machines, nor are they cows, pigs or chickens which I’ve never seen competed in the Olympics. Americans regard horses as noble creatures that not only serve us but also bond with us. They deserve to be treated as a friend, not betrayed.[/QUOTE]

Angela is now of a higher status because she no longer uses her horse? You know…that might catch on…green astro turb on balcony’s …everyone can keep a horse.

Horses are animals and while you can have an attachment they are NOT a human equal friend. They can not give you advice, loan you money, help you seek employment, pray with you over a loved ones cancer because those are human traits. First step…give horses companion status, then human rights and then remove humans from the equation.

Exactly what Dr. Wayne of HSUS ordered.

Like Bluey…I am surprised that even a few would be so any horse ownership and usage as I have read on this forum.

Laura…please provide links so I can read how U.S.ABSORBED 2 million plus horses…I would truly like to understand how?

Why are horse auction numbers up up up and really up. And horse breders are producing down down down numbers.

[lilydog2]

No, I haven’t “swallowed” anything. I am anti-slaughter. No, everyone does not know.

No, I haven’t “swallowed” anything. I am anti-slaughter of my own decision and belief. And,n
o, everyone does not know.

[QUOTE=Bluey;7119505]
Your whole post reflects animal rights extremist propaganda, that you seem to have swallowed line, sinker and hook.:no:

Of course everyone just “knows” how terrible everything is, animal rights extremists are the only ones that get to yell that from the roof tops, I call it the abuse and mismanagement card.

Look around you and SEE if you really think slaughter is the Keystone Kops movie animal rights extremists keep making it seem in their propaganda.
Does that really make any sense to you, any more than insisting all churches need to be banned, look what all they do that is wrong?

Those that are led by agendas, that in the end will cost us our rights to have animals, will still be insisting when that happens “it is because we didn’t do it right, of course”, blissfully unaware of how we were undermined at every turn.:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

[Eventer55]

I know, lets ban the irresponsible breeding practices that contribute to the slaughter. Including the feral horses out west.

[red_mares]

Just sent my congress critters a note telling them that I am 100% in support of horse slaughter.

Thanks for the reminder.

[luvmytbs]

@Fairfax;7119565

Miss interpretation of the stats.

They were NOT absolrbed. That is why there is a huge backlog now

Really? There is a huge backlog from 1990 to 1997? From 20 years ago? Really?

Newsflash: Slaughter is driven by demand, not supply.
So shame on the consumers for creating a backlog. :rolleyes:

[sunridge1]

[QUOTE=red mares;7119650]
Just sent my congress critters a note telling them that I am 100% in support of horse slaughter.

Thanks for the reminder. :)[/QUOTE]

Of course you did, since show horse folks are known for use 'em up and throw 'em away. Not much different from the Amish.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=sunridge1;7119657]
Of course you did, since show horse folks are known for use 'em up and throw 'em away. Not much different from the Amish.:D[/QUOTE]

Don’t forget, they also eat puppies for breakfast.:eek:

[red_mares]

Sunridge,

Just because you’re bitter doesn’t mean that everyone else is evil. Get over breeding show ring losers.

This ought to make your day: My old show horse is retired at an Amish farm. Bwwhahaha.

[LauraKY]

[QUOTE=red mares;7119670]
Sunridge,

Just because you’re bitter doesn’t mean that everyone else is evil. Get over breeding show ring losers.

This ought to make your day: My old show horse is retired at an Amish farm. Bwwhahaha.[/QUOTE]

If that’s true, that’s just sad. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

[sunridge1]

[QUOTE=LauraKY;7119677]
If that’s true, that’s just sad. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.[/QUOTE]

So true.

Plus the horses I allowed to hit the show ring did wonderful (I have the trophies and Blue ribbons to show for it) and even went to Louisville. Then I became enlightened as they say.

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;7119651]
Really? There is a huge backlog from 1990 to 1997? From 20 years ago? Really?

Newsflash: Slaughter is driven by demand, not supply.
So shame on the consumers for creating a backlog. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

You have tossed the number out so many times and I am unable to verify it…so could you please verify it with some authenticated link…or just withdraw it 2 million horses absorbed…

Sisteen years ago for 1997…average age of horses going to slaughter is 6 and up…

@ million absorbed…IF that was true…even in the slightest…the same would occur right now…even taking 100,000 out of the equation each year.

BUT IT ISNT…therein lies the problem.

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=red mares;7119670]
Sunridge,

Just because you’re bitter doesn’t mean that everyone else is evil. Get over breeding show ring losers.

This ought to make your day: My old show horse is retired at an Amish farm. Bwwhahaha.[/QUOTE]

Poor Sunridge…she can’t remember from forum to forum if her horses were no longer shown because her lines were out of favor and that is why they got out of it (insert the date)

When one is breeding and showing of course they are going to sell their offspring or their junior horses…or senior horses… THAT is what horses are all about.

It is NOT about CREATING forever homes.

ASB’s are lucky as they sure do well in academy programs…and Saddlebred Rescue and other groups have been proactive for years.

However not every horse is wonderful, can turn out…or just through the luck of the draw…has a fmaily that can no longer afford the sport of Kings…Horse ownership…

Slaughter “as an option” is an alternative.

Stopping slaughter in the U.S. only creates longer trips and gosh…some going to Mexico where standards are not up to snuff all of the time. But they have improved at a couple of plants due to the pressure put on them by the EU reps.

Regulate the plants opening in the U.S. and lets see if they are up to the challenge.

The other side has had six years to get euthanization clinics going in every state and every major and minor city…but they have not done anything…a couple here…and there…

You would think by now they would have free transportation sto these miracle clinics…;EXCEPT someone wants to make money off of them…Greedy…no different than kill buyers and plants…If they didn’t need to make money off of clinics…they would be everywhere…

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=Fairfax;7119743]
Poor Sunridge…she can’t remember from forum to forum if her horses were no longer shown because her lines were out of favor and that is why they got out of it (insert the date)

When one is breeding and showing of course they are going to sell their offspring or their junior horses…or senior horses… THAT is what horses are all about.

It is NOT about CREATING forever homes.

ASB’s are lucky as they sure do well in academy programs…and Saddlebred Rescue and other groups have been proactive for years.

However not every horse is wonderful, can turn out…or just through the luck of the draw…has a fmaily that can no longer afford the sport of Kings…Horse ownership…

Slaughter “as an option” is an alternative.

Stopping slaughter in the U.S. only creates longer trips and gosh…some going to Mexico where standards are not up to snuff all of the time. But they have improved at a couple of plants due to the pressure put on them by the EU reps.

Regulate the plants opening in the U.S. and lets see if they are up to the challenge.

The other side has had six years to get euthanization clinics going in every state and every major and minor city…but they have not done anything…a couple here…and there…

You would think by now they would have free transportation sto these miracle clinics…;EXCEPT someone wants to make money off of them…Greedy…no different than kill buyers and plants…If they didn’t need to make money off of clinics…they would be everywhere…[/QUOTE]

Are you serious?

First of all you know as well as anyone the Mexican plants are slaughtering for the EU and therefore must use a bolt or rifle.

And have you looked at a map lately?
Cause NM may as well be Texas or Mexico.
Unless/until there is a plant at least in every time zone, but even better in every state, the length of the trip is relative to where the horse is coming from, and a very lame point to hang your hat on.

We did regulate the plants in the US and look what DC did to Kaufman TX.
HOW do you intend to regulate them differently than they were before to make it a better process at every stage? Make it more humane for the animals? How will you insure it’s less harmful to the communities they inhabit, and less stressful to the infrastructure?

[sunridge1]

[QUOTE=Fairfax;7119743]
Poor Sunridge…she can’t remember from forum to forum if her horses were no longer shown because her lines were out of favor and that is why they got out of it (insert the date)

When one is breeding and showing of course they are going to sell their offspring or their junior horses…or senior horses… THAT is what horses are all about.

It is NOT about CREATING forever homes.

ASB’s are lucky as they sure do well in academy programs…and Saddlebred Rescue and other groups have been proactive for years.

However not every horse is wonderful, can turn out…or just through the luck of the draw…has a fmaily that can no longer afford the sport of Kings…Horse ownership…

Slaughter “as an option” is an alternative.

Stopping slaughter in the U.S. only creates longer trips and gosh…some going to Mexico where standards are not up to snuff all of the time. But they have improved at a couple of plants due to the pressure put on them by the EU reps.

Regulate the plants opening in the U.S. and lets see if they are up to the challenge.

The other side has had six years to get euthanization clinics going in every state and every major and minor city…but they have not done anything…a couple here…and there…

You would think by now they would have free transportation sto these miracle clinics…;EXCEPT someone wants to make money off of them…Greedy…no different than kill buyers and plants…If they didn’t need to make money off of clinics…they would be everywhere…[/QUOTE]

It’s more like poor, poor FF who must be either be suffering dementia or a case of can’t keep my facts straight. No smart breeder has a single line of horses they use. duh

[saultgirl]

I am a horse lover and I do NOT support a ban on horse slaughter. Slaughter should be as humane as possible, and easily accessible (to reduce transportation times).

Honestly, I do see it as a slippery slope – a horse is not much different from a cow or pig or dog…

[luvmytbs]

[QUOTE=saultgirl;7120019]
I am a horse lover and I do NOT support a ban on horse slaughter. Slaughter should be as humane as possible, and easily accessible (to reduce transportation times). [/QUOTE]

The horse slaughter industry has shown no improvement whatsoever in decades.
The USDA, the DOT have not enforced the laws nor collected any fines from the very few they found in violation of the regulations.

This will not change, no matter how many decades you give them to change.

With that notion, do you still support horse slaughter and its inhumane treatment of equines in the entire pipeline?

[luvmytbs]

[QUOTE=Fairfax;7119737]
You have tossed the number out so many times and I am unable to verify it…so could you please verify it with some authenticated link…or just withdraw it 2 million horses absorbed…[/QUOTE]

And we have provided you with the sources of these stats sooooo many times.
Maybe you should have bookmarked them.

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;7120074]
The horse slaughter industry has shown no improvement whatsoever in decades.
The USDA, the DOT have not enforced the laws nor collected any fines from the very few they found in violation of the regulations.

This will not change, no matter how many decades you give them to change.

With that notion, do you still support horse slaughter and its inhumane treatment of equines in the entire pipeline?[/QUOTE]

Of course not.
There was no industry in the last 7 years.
what does not exist can by definition not improve.
:lol:

and the inhumane shpiel.
not tired of that yet?

[Kyzteke]

Well, not only will I NOT sign it, I’ll fight it with everything I’ve got.

Banning slaughter in the US did more harm to horses in the country (and still is) than anything else we could come up with.

And that’s what happens when pro horse people or people who really know let un-educated bleeding hearts take control of the system because they are afraid to speak out.

Honestly – I don’t know ONE qualified pro who supported this ban…

No one makes you sent you horse to slaughter, do they? And no one is stopping you from buying as many horses as you can feed out of the kill pen. But people will always find a way to get around the rules…like they are doing now.

Instead of a (relatively) short trip and a (relatively) quick death, now these unwanted horses get to be hauled all the way to Canada (if they are lucky). The unlucky ones go to Mexico where they are killed by stabbing.

Good job America!!!:mad::rolleyes: I bet you are sitting home thinking you did a good thing…HAH!

A FAR better and (less expensive) solution would have been to pass a bill increasing the funding for inspections both at the plant(s) and regarding transport (where most of the abuse takes place).

Because the fact of the matter is that, if we can’t find homes for the millions of cats & dogs put to sleep here, why in heaven’s name do we think we can find homes for the some 100,000 unwanted horses we have every year.

Folks are wearing blinders…

Next time the people to are involved deeply in the horse industry need to grow a pair and fight back…I hope we’ve learned our lesson on this…

[Lynnwood]

[QUOTE=sunridge1;7119657]
Of course you did, since show horse folks are known for use 'em up and throw 'em away. Not much different from the Amish.:D[/QUOTE]

Wow way to show how advanced and tolerant of others you are by stereotyping and labeling an entire religion as animal abusers.