SAFE Act for horse slaughter ban- signatures needed

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;7120074]
The horse slaughter industry has shown no improvement whatsoever in decades.
The USDA, the DOT have not enforced the laws nor collected any fines from the very few they found in violation of the regulations.

This will not change, no matter how many decades you give them to change.

With that notion, do you still support horse slaughter and its inhumane treatment of equines in the entire pipeline?[/QUOTE]

The abuse and mismanagement card again, some videos and reports, from the millions of horses slaughtered without any complaints and now it is all “inhumane”, right.:rolleyes:

Not that it matters, this is not about HOW to slaughter, but the animal rights extremist drive to BAN horse slaughter, as part of their larger agenda to eventually eliminate all uses of animals, as per their own words, read the links provided.

Now, knowing that, “with that notion”, who would support this animal rights extremist driven BAN horse slaughter, again, since they failed the other time to get the 2006 BAN horse slaughter bill?

Yes, animal rights extremist have spent all that time getting their ducks in a row.
Now they feel they may just get this done, their people in the right places.
Their millions they got in donations to help that poor little kitten in the shelter cage put to work to lobby hard.
Here they come, lets try again, maybe this time we can start with our BAN this and that, here horse slaughter, then whatever is next in our agenda, until no more animals are “enslaved” in human hands, as it that made any sense.:no:

[luvmytbs]

@Alagirl;7120087

Of course not.
There was no industry in the last 7 years.
what does not exist can by definition not improve.
:lol:

Really? Those 150,000 plus/annually American Horses did go where again?

[QUOTE=Alagirl;7120087]
and the inhumane shpiel.
not tired of that yet?[/QUOTE]

Extremely tired of it. Sick and tired of it!

But you wouldn’t know as I doubt you’d ever get your boots on and look at what happens at U.S. auctions, what happens at U.S. lots owned by kill buyers, what happens during loading and transport of U.S. horses going to slaughter, regardless of the distance they have to travel.

[luvmytbs]

Yeah, bluey, another one who does not dare go out of the house to get a first hand look at what’s happening in the slaughter pipeline.

Keep telling yourself everything is just a.o.k., obviously it’s working. :sigh:

[Bluey]

Ask anyone that has tried to find common ground on what is ok and what not with animal rights extremists.
They will tell you, there is NO common ground, their demands just keep escalating.

Now they will get this BAN horse slaughter drive thru and move on to the next and next and next, their goal is not helping animals directly as in animal welfare, but eliminating any animals from having any contact with humans.
That is their special kind of crazy, since this world just doesn’t work like that.

Once we realize that, we can understand why any talk back and forth doesn’t matter, is all smoke and mirrors, divide and conquer, words tossed here and there, if they make sense or not, because animal rights extremists goal is complete BANS.

That is not just my opinion, but it is the opinion of many that, like I have, for decades have been seeing who animal rights extremists are and how they have become way, way so rich and powerful on the good will donations of honest people thinking they were helping the welfare of animals in need, not knowing that they were helping animal rights extremist work to eliminate all uses of animals by humans.:no:

[sunridge1]

[QUOTE=Lynnwood;7120151]
Wow way to show how advanced and tolerant of others you are by stereotyping and labeling an entire religion as animal abusers.[/QUOTE]

Yes I am advanced. I advanced right out of an ego driven business. Tolerant of any kind of horsemansh!t, not at all.

[sunridge1]

@Bluey;7120309

Ask anyone that has tried to find common ground on what is ok and what not with animal rights extremists.

Maybe, just maybe you should stop trying to rationalize with those animal rights extremists and try to rationalize with animal welfare folks. Nope, instead you paint us with the same brush shooting yourself in the foot by making the extremists seem sane by comparison.

[Susan_P]

THREAD TOTALLY HIJACKED BY THE SAME PRO SLAUGHTER GROUP, they just can’t let anyone share information that they don’t like without taking over and shouting them down. What’s new. It never changes, total control freaks.

[Susan_P]

From Kaufman, TX: “It was bad enough that horse blood was backing up into tubs and toilets, overrunning sewers and the waste water treatment facility, that organs, body parts and other waste from slaughter were found everywhere and a stench permeated the town. But the operation of the horse slaughter plant also lowered property values, drove away good economic opportunities and consumed the town’s government, health care and other resources”

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=Kyzteke;7120149]
Well, not only will I NOT sign it, I’ll fight it with everything I’ve got.

Banning slaughter in the US did more harm to horses in the country (and still is) than anything else we could come up with.

And that’s what happens when pro horse people or people who really know let un-educated bleeding hearts take control of the system because they are afraid to speak out.

Honestly – I don’t know ONE qualified pro who supported this ban…

No one makes you sent you horse to slaughter, do they? And no one is stopping you from buying as many horses as you can feed out of the kill pen. But people will always find a way to get around the rules…like they are doing now.

Instead of a (relatively) short trip and a (relatively) quick death, now these unwanted horses get to be hauled all the way to Canada (if they are lucky). The unlucky ones go to Mexico where they are killed by stabbing.

Good job America!!!:mad::rolleyes: I bet you are sitting home thinking you did a good thing…HAH!

A FAR better and (less expensive) solution would have been to pass a bill increasing the funding for inspections both at the plant(s) and regarding transport (where most of the abuse takes place).

Because the fact of the matter is that, if we can’t find homes for the millions of cats & dogs put to sleep here, why in heaven’s name do we think we can find homes for the some 100,000 unwanted horses we have every year.[/QUOTE]
First of all all the horses who go to slaughter have an identifiable owner before shipping… dogs and cats often live feral with no owner.

And horses are most often if not always purposely bred, while feral cats and dogs breed in the street.
Then horses have one foal annually.
Cats and dogs have a litter, of several. Every couple of months.

Then there’s the whole difference between euth’ing dogs/cats and slaughtering horses… I dunno’ when you last saw a cat or dog pts, but it’s no where near like horses at slaughter.

BIG difference between cats/dogs and horses.

[QUOTE=Kyzteke;7120149]Folks are wearing blinders…

Next time the people to are involved deeply in the horse industry need to grow a pair and fight back…I hope we’ve learned our lesson on this…[/QUOTE]

As for the rest of it, I would love to spend all night debunking the misinformation, but some of us have work in the morning, so I’m sure there are others who can and will fill you in on what you’re missin’ here.

[Fairfax]

150,000…I gave you the link showing around 90,000 to Canada and 50,000 to Mexico from the Canadian Government and they track through border crossings and manifests…same as Mexico

The comments from a couple of posters claiming Bluey doesn’t get out and yet…THEY have never been to Canada to see for themselves. All they do is repeat the Canadian Defence Coalition from like minded agenda driven individuals…

We don’t shut down the liquor industry because a few bars over serve and also serve after hours OR let people smoke in the bars. That is what we pay inspectors for…and they fine and shut down the offenders.

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;7120359]
First of all all the horses who go to slaughter have an identifiable owner before shipping… dogs and cats often live feral with no owner.

And horses are most often if not always purposely bred, while feral cats and dogs breed in the street.
Then horses have one foal annually.
Cats and dogs have a litter, of several. Every couple of months.

Then there’s the whole difference between euth’ing dogs/cats and slaughtering horses… I dunno’ when you last saw a cat or dog pts, but it’s no where near like horses at slaughter.

BIG difference between cats/dogs and horses.

As for the rest of it, I would love to spend all night debunking the misinformation, but some of us have work in the morning, so I’m sure there are others who can and will fill you in on what you’re missin’ here.[/QUOTE]

Angela…I suppose you can name each one of the natives who owns which horse in the 75,000 number band. They are breeding “without permission”. Hence the numbers

As for debunking…you NEVER admitted you had no solution…just had a hissy fit and said you did not owe us one…even AFTER we gave you the information you demanded.

And…your groups who called the EU first hand…or so they claimed…and announced slaughter was dead…last october 12…WELL…we all know how wrong you were…

Have pleasant dreams…but hopefully not counting sheep…they are sent to slaughter

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=Angela Freda;7120359]
First of all all the horses who go to slaughter have an identifiable owner before shipping… dogs and cats often live feral with no owner.

And horses are most often if not always purposely bred, while feral cats and dogs breed in the street.
Then horses have one foal annually.
Cats and dogs have a litter, of several. Every couple of months.

Then there’s the whole difference between euth’ing dogs/cats and slaughtering horses… I dunno’ when you last saw a cat or dog pts, but it’s no where near like horses at slaughter.

BIG difference between cats/dogs and horses.

As for the rest of it, I would love to spend all night debunking the misinformation, but some of us have work in the morning, so I’m sure there are others who can and will fill you in on what you’re missin’ here.[/QUOTE]

As for the rest of it, I would love to spend all night debunking the misinformation, but some of us have work in the morning, so I’m sure there are others who can and will fill you in on what you’re missin’ here

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Susan P;7120349]
From Kaufman, TX: “It was bad enough that horse blood was backing up into tubs and toilets, overrunning sewers and the waste water treatment facility, that organs, body parts and other waste from slaughter were found everywhere and a stench permeated the town. But the operation of the horse slaughter plant also lowered property values, drove away good economic opportunities and consumed the town’s government, health care and other resources”[/QUOTE]

You forgot to say that kids also were born with tails, the horror.:rolleyes:

[sunridge1]

[QUOTE=Susan P;7120336]
THREAD TOTALLY HIJACKED BY THE SAME PRO SLAUGHTER GROUP, they just can’t let anyone share information that they don’t like without taking over and shouting them down. What’s new. It never changes, total control freaks.[/QUOTE]

That would be EXTREMISTS. They are extremists. It is said people hate the very people that resemble themselves…Something to think about, perhaps.

[Alagirl]

[QUOTE=Susan P;7120336]
THREAD TOTALLY HIJACKED BY THE SAME PRO SLAUGHTER GROUP, they just can’t let anyone share information that they don’t like without taking over and shouting them down. What’s new. It never changes, total control freaks.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=Susan P;7120336]
THREAD TOTALLY HIJACKED BY THE SAME PRO SLAUGHTER GROUP, they just can’t let anyone share information that they don’t like without taking over and shouting them down. What’s new. It never changes, total control freaks.[/QUOTE]

As the anti have hijacked every other thread…The problem is…they share the same misinformation from the same dubious sources.

As for Kaufman…house prices never rose after the plant was closed down AND cleaned up. Also…mayor had to raise taxes to make up what the town lost when they drove the business out…also unemployment went up…which is huge for a small town…Mayor “forgot” about all of that

[Fairfax]

the injured partys seem to be from the anti group…as they are the ones who insult and sdcream foul when they are confronted. Then they go to the moderator.

Liberals are the same world wide…that is why we ignore that little ploy.

[Bluey]

[QUOTE=Susan P;7120336]
THREAD TOTALLY HIJACKED BY THE SAME PRO SLAUGHTER GROUP, they just can’t let anyone share information that they don’t like without taking over and shouting them down. What’s new. It never changes, total control freaks.[/QUOTE]

Hijacked?
From what, more animal rights extremist propaganda someone posted?

We are having a discussion about that propaganda posted here and asking for people to sign on to further certain agendas, that’s all.:yes:

Guess that some that were for closing the plants the last time animal rights extremists tried to push this same BAN thru, in 2006, have already forgotten how that turned out.:no:
Some want to go ahead and sign, some think maybe we should consider unintended consequences first.

[Fairfax]

[QUOTE=luvmytbs;7119651]
Really? There is a huge backlog from 1990 to 1997? From 20 years ago? Really?

Newsflash: Slaughter is driven by demand, not supply.
So shame on the consumers for creating a backlog. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Must have happened because Habby Tat and John Holland could NOT explain where the horses actually went. Re-read the government debate from 2008…the link has been posted numerous times. They also claimed the absorption rate would continue WHOOPS… were they ever wrong.

AS for Sunridge…I am sure your Dad had some lovely old time Stonewall breeding…but you told all of us on TROT that they were not current and could not win under the poorly informed judges and that is why you quit breeding and showing.

[Angela_Freda]

[QUOTE=Fairfax;7120390]
Angela…I suppose you can name each one of the natives who owns which horse in the 75,000 number band. They are breeding “without permission”. Hence the numbers

As for debunking….you NEVER admitted you had no solution…just had a hissy fit and said you did not owe us one…even AFTER we gave you the information you demanded.

And…your groups who called the EU first hand…or so they claimed…and announced slaughter was dead…last october 12…WELL…we all know how wrong you were…

Have pleasant dreams…but hopefully not counting sheep…they are sent to slaughter[/QUOTE]

Finally! You admit that I, in fact, had a solution! THANK YOU!