Ward already had a lifetime ban, or suspension, while alive.
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I don’t think so. Insofar as this list was created in reference to Safe Sport, USE wasn’t ever intending to out any and all convicted members, just those with bona fide sex-related crimes.
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Wasn’t Barney Ward already banned for life somehow? Also, are any awards, accolades, etc., named after Barney Ward?
So, Two Lea, you are differentiating between children and adults, as molesting a child is illegal, while molesting an adult is not?
And, you are saying innocent until proven guilty. I get that. HOWEVER, by discounting ALL the multiple accounts made by victims, you are saying that Mr. Williams is still innocent because these victims are not to be believed. You said you had doubt as to their veracity because you were unaware of such goings on. And, you say, if such things were going on, somebody would have blown a whistle.
All of which, taken by itself, seems logical. But put it in context: first of all, we have a culture in which it is acceptable for men (mostly) to touch women, speak to them crudely, force them into unwanted sexual acts, to treat them as objects. Everybody says, just keep quiet. Otherwise you will get fired, not pass your class, not get promoted, not get the part. It’s just part of life at the time. Blowing a whistle was counterproductive. No victims were believed or listened to. That’s been said by multiple posters.
Then, you have the culture of “win at all costs”, or have a prominent place on the “team” (or in the barn). You have the handsome, powerful, older man grooming the young women for his own pleasure. He pays them attention, he gives them extra coaching, they are his favorites. And he tells them that they must not tell. All this in light of victims having no power. And, a young woman, just entering adulthood, flattered and “loved” by this wonderful man.
Again, recent disclosures have opened the door to decades of abuse of young athletes. And I believe every word. The fact that dozens, if not hundreds, of victims have come forward is evidence enough for me.
But, you say, Jimmy Williams is dead. Why the fuss? Because it gives his victims some credibility and a measure of justice. To see his name emblazoned on awards, arenas, whatever, has got to be a constant reminder to those victims that “you don’t count”. “This was a great person, regardless of what anybody says”. “What you say could not have happened”. And, it gives current victims, young people, adults, the right to speak up and be heard because there WILL be consequences.
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I’m not saying anyone HAS to believe a particular accuser. I’m saying not believing all of them simply because they waited to come forward is misplaced. There are excellent explanations for why that happened that have nothing to do with the veracity of claims
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There was a hearing on Capitol Hill yesterday with representatives from the USOC and SafeSport, along with a few other sport governing bodies, like USAGymnastics (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/23/s…e-hearing.html). From watching the hearing (https://www.c-span.org/video/?446021…bused-athletes), it sounds more like this SafeSport list was more to bring USEq into compliance with standards that the USOC has set out for all the sport governing bodies, more than a reaction to any issue specifically. They were asked how many NGBs were in compliance with having a list–so I’m guessing the appearance of one from USE might have more to do with them being able to tell Congress that they’re all in compliance than anything else.
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All this attention on what may have happened or did happen 45-50 years ago, whatever it was.
Where’s the attention on what’s happening now, and what has happened more recently with those still alive?
Or, possibly, all the competitors out there now are safe and innocent.
The Chronicle, with its new policy, has given everyone an opportunity to come forward, bravely and publicly, for attribution, with their accusations. So has USEF, supposedly, with its new “teeth.”
If you know something, say something.
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And yet, here you are :lol::lol::lol:
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Ahhh! I see now. I was thinking since it was a criminal case and the abuse of horses were included.
It is never too late to give justice to a victim.
Let me say that again.
It is never too late to give justice to a victim.
Trauma is delt with for a lifetime. It is never too late for a victim to know they’ve been heard. BELIEVED.
Current abuse, past abuse, tomorrow’s abuse.
Justice is needed for ALL.
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Two Lea, why do you keep assuming it’s mutually exclusive to focus on past AND present abuse?
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I don’t understand how you can make this post when even today, right now you doubt the complaints because you yourself did not see or hear anything.
Your reaction to this is why people don’t speak up right away. What if one of the juniors came up to YOU while you were at Flintridge and told YOU what happened to them? Would you brush it off like you are now because you just don’t see that side of JW?
I am sorry to say I believe you would. Read your posts again, and let it sink in that your opinion is exactly why people do not come forward.
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There is an article pending in the Washington Post concerning FlintRidge and Jimmy Williams. Please be seated, put your seatbelt on, and prepare for the ride!
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Can you give us a heads up when that runs? Not in that area and no reason al all to follow what that paper publishes…
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I realize these subjects are newsworthy. Really, I do. It would be nice if just once in a while, the major news outlets would take notice of horse sports in between the upsetting stories. There are actually some good people doing good things out there. But they never seem to make the headlines. Or the papers at all, for that matter.
Another thing to is realize that boys/men are subjected to abuse just as much as the women. They are told to suck it up or they will look weak or that they enjoyed it.
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Not to discount, but no, men are not as frequently victims of sexual abuse or assault or harassment. That is simply not born out by reality ie data
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Yes they are. My roommate is getting her PhD in clinical psychology and studied the data not to mention she volunteered at the Boston Rape crisis center. Men are just as much as getting assaulted as women but they don’t come forward as much.
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Why is Jonathan Soresi not on that list?
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Is Ken Krauss still living? He is a convicted offender.
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I believe to understand “why” we must refer to the aggregate of Two Lea’s posts. This person self identified from the beginning as someone who was not on the level of social or economic status as the accusers who came forward. TL didn’t go on to be successful in the industry, and views in his/her own mind those days at Flintridge as a personal nirvana. This person actually KEPT as a momento of those halcyon days, not ribbons or accolades, but the roster of members and directors. How terribly sad. Initially I was outraged at the disregard for justice and truth, but I actually feel sorry for TL. What a wasted life always looking back on what never came to fruition and now so evidently desperate to recapture that long lost feeling of potential.
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