Safe Sport Update

[MysticOakRanch]

@soloudinhere

I still can’t help but notice how many people are claiming to be on the wrong side of the “digital divide” and yet are extremely prolific message board and Facebook participants. The videos for safesport are approximately 2 minutes long. It uses about as much bandwidth as being on Facebook for 10 minutes uploading pictures. Is the difference just that one is something you want to do and the other isn’t?

See, that shows a lack of knowledge about how connectivity works. Bandwidth, upload and download speeds, most of you just take it for granted, kind of like you take safe drinking water for granted. I can easily browse and post on message boards, they take very little bandwidth. I can even browse FB although I use a browser that blocks video and Gif because those do bog down browsing speed, everything just stalls out. Interestingly, I can even stream nonHD Netflix video as long as I give it a few minutes to load and buffer. That is because we pay for the highest speed our provider can offer We pay more for that internet then most of you pay for the entire internet/cable tv/phone bill combined package. Some of my friends can’t do that, so they have even slower video.

Now Safesport does not compress their video, unlike Netflix, YouTube, Hulu, etc who all realize they need to provide accessibility to a greater market. Uncompressed video takes a LOT of bandwidth. So it just stalls out. It took me a full day to download these videos. And you can’t go off and do something then comeback and replay them, it goes right back to REdownloading. They really skimped on the technology side, didn’t do their research, whatever. They also require you use one of a handful of browsers, although they don’t include that info in their instructions (or they didn’t when I was attempting it), so I also spent a half day with it just crashing my system.

Bandwidth is basically speed that that data can flow from WWW to you and vice versa. Think of it like a freeway, and all the data is a car. Your freeway is 10 lanes, quite a few cars can run at once. When you download something, all the cars come at once, but traffic keeps flowing because there are enough lanes. When you live in a rural are, your freeway doesn’t exist. You have a one lane road. It may even lack paving. So you can still get to the market, you can still go have lunch with your friends. It takes a little longer, you have further to go, but it is perfectly doable. However your road can’t handle 3000 cars all hurtling towards you at once, which is what an uncompressed video is. That just results in gridlock. And SS hasn’t chosen to compress the video (and allow it to download and replay) which would be like carpooling so we put 8 people in each car and eliminate the unnecessary cars, and get it down to 25 cars which could be feasible

You might ask your state to improve your road, at least add a few lanes and pave it, but they aren’t going to do that because there aren’t enough of you living out there.

that is all simplified, but is pretty much how bandwidth works. You may not believe it, you may not care, but it affects a lot of people. Kid and adults all over this country. I have many friends who aren’t on FB, never heard of COTH, don’t have Netflix. Their kids are still doing research in encyclopedias and reading books. And only able to do online work in the school computer lab. It is very real and affects more people then you might realize. You can deny, you can make fun of people in the situation, but it is a real issue in this country.

[Silverbridge]

What are you complaining about?

Soloudinhere’s life is just fine! So, have a piece of cake, stop using Facebook, and watch a video already. You can watch it, you just don’t WANT to.

And don’t speak up on behalf of other people who really can’t, whatever you do. That “empathy” stuff is SO pre-trump. We’re not doing that anymore.

[skydy]

@right horse at the right time

I wrote that I have to report to my employer (credentialing) and other organization (my licensing). I didn’t say that I have to report to law enforcement. My comment about law enforcement was regarding the topic at hand.

I have to self report. And I haven’t done anything requiring that :).

If if I am aware of someone who is abusing someone else then I would need to adddress that as well.

I’m sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you meant that you were in a profession that requires (legally) that you report suspected cases of child, domestic, or elder abuse to law enforcement.

That was the case in the job I had, that I referenced in my previous post.

[right_horse_at_the_right_time]

@skydy

I’m sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you meant that you were in a profession that requires (legally) that you report suspected cases of child, domestic, or elder abuse to law enforcement.

That was the case in the job I had, that I referenced in my previous post.

I am in a position where I am mandated to report someone else. I am ALSO mandated to report if I do something or am under investigation or if I am charged with something.

[skydy]

@right horse at the right time

I am in a position where I am mandated to report someone else. I am ALSO mandated to report if I do something or am under investigation or if I am charged with something.

I see. As I said, I misunderstood.:yes:

[jump_pony]

@soloudinhere

I still can’t help but notice how many people are claiming to be on the wrong side of the “digital divide” and yet are extremely prolific message board and Facebook participants. The videos for safesport are approximately 2 minutes long. It uses about as much bandwidth as being on Facebook for 10 minutes uploading pictures. Is the difference just that one is something you want to do and the other isn’t?

You really should never make assumptions about people’s situations, I know people who live 20 minutes
outside of my town who still have landlines, because cell service is so spotty,so not everybody can do this at home.
Many people have farms ,jobs,horses to ride and children or elderly parents to take care, so driving to some far away Starbucks might not be an option.
I think also putting this on a DVD would be a good option.

[netg]

@soloudinhere

How blessed of you to take on the crusade for the digitally disadvantaged.

As for the first part of your post, that doesn’t make any sense, so I can’t respond to it. The difference is I am absolutely wrong? That’s not a difference, but okay.

There is no argument, because you have no clue what you’re talking about as confirmed by your blatantly wrong statements.

[TheMoo]

@jump pony

You really should never make assumptions about people’s situations, I know people who live 20 minutes
outside of my town who still have landlines, because cell service is so spotty,so not everybody can do this at home.
Many people have farms ,jobs,horses to ride and children or elderly parents to take care, so driving to some far away Starbucks might not be an option.
I think also putting this on a DVD would be a good option.

SafeSport does provide training for those with slow/no internet. However someone mentioned the USEF will not accept that.

[SonnysMom]

@jump pony

I think also putting this on a DVD would be a good option.

Since there are quizes you need to pass for each module how would it work to put it on DVD? How do you prove that the person watched the DVD rather than threw it in the trash?
With the interactive streaming modules you at least need to hit next and hit multiple icons during the module to move on. Yes you can tune it out but it least it makes it more likely that the viewer read or saw some of it especially in conjuction with passing the module quiz.

[Pennywell_Bay]

@MysticOakRanch

See, that shows a lack of knowledge about how connectivity works. Bandwidth, upload and download speeds, most of you just take it for granted, kind of like you take safe drinking water for granted. I can easily browse and post on message boards, they take very little bandwidth. I can even browse FB although I use a browser that blocks video and Gif because those do bog down browsing speed, everything just stalls out. Interestingly, I can even stream nonHD Netflix video as long as I give it a few minutes to load and buffer. That is because we pay for the highest speed our provider can offer We pay more for that internet then most of you pay for the entire internet/cable tv/phone bill combined package. Some of my friends can’t do that, so they have even slower video.

Now Safesport does not compress their video, unlike Netflix, YouTube, Hulu, etc who all realize they need to provide accessibility to a greater market. Uncompressed video takes a LOT of bandwidth. So it just stalls out. It took me a full day to download these videos. And you can’t go off and do something then comeback and replay them, it goes right back to REdownloading. They really skimped on the technology side, didn’t do their research, whatever. They also require you use one of a handful of browsers, although they don’t include that info in their instructions (or they didn’t when I was attempting it), so I also spent a half day with it just crashing my system.

Bandwidth is basically speed that that data can flow from WWW to you and vice versa. Think of it like a freeway, and all the data is a car. Your freeway is 10 lanes, quite a few cars can run at once. When you download something, all the cars come at once, but traffic keeps flowing because there are enough lanes. When you live in a rural are, your freeway doesn’t exist. You have a one lane road. It may even lack paving. So you can still get to the market, you can still go have lunch with your friends. It takes a little longer, you have further to go, but it is perfectly doable. However your road can’t handle 3000 cars all hurtling towards you at once, which is what an uncompressed video is. That just results in gridlock. And SS hasn’t chosen to compress the video (and allow it to download and replay) which would be like carpooling so we put 8 people in each car and eliminate the unnecessary cars, and get it down to 25 cars which could be feasible

You might ask your state to improve your road, at least add a few lanes and pave it, but they aren’t going to do that because there aren’t enough of you living out there.

that is all simplified, but is pretty much how bandwidth works. You may not believe it, you may not care, but it affects a lot of people. Kid and adults all over this country. I have many friends who aren’t on FB, never heard of COTH, don’t have Netflix. Their kids are still doing research in encyclopedias and reading books. And only able to do online work in the school computer lab. It is very real and affects more people then you might realize. You can deny, you can make fun of people in the situation, but it is a real issue in this country.

Real question: are these people the ones who can’t take the training?

It seems as though the organizations (and Congress who passed this bill, not just the USEF) is going on the premise that if one is competing in a across-state-line organization (which is why it is required by the USEF) they would, at some point, have access to an internet connection capable of handling the width.

Now- that may be an unfair assumption, but probably applies to 95% of the USEF showing population. Or- in their trek to get to a USEF sanctioned event, would be able to find a place that would have such connection.

Again- it isn’t the USEF making their own rules, it is a requirement by the 2017 bill passed by congress.

Look- you and your friends don’t want to take it, you aren’t around kids, you’re scared innocent people will just be persecuted with no due process and smeared. You don’t want to take it. The technology portion is so small and I’d love to be able to know what percentage of USEF people live in such an area that they have no access, thus are not able to successfully complete the training and compete.

Seriously- don’t make all these excuses. You don’t want to take it and will pick apart any recommendation to assist in people being able to take it. Own it because some of your posts and excuses are way below what I have come to expect from your other posts not on the Safe Sport subject.

[netg]

@TheMoo

SafeSport does provide training for those with slow/no internet. However someone mentioned the USEF will not accept that.

Do you have info on that?

Because I’m happy to start a petition/lobby to USEF about it if I can find info on it. When I directly requested help from SafeSport they didn’t provide any info.

[TheMoo]

@netg

Do you have info on that?

Because I’m happy to start a petition/lobby to USEF about it if I can find info on it. When I directly requested help from SafeSport they didn’t provide any info.

Let me look back through the thread and investigate further. I do know SafeSport provides group training the information is on their website.

[Montanas_Girl]

@MysticOakRanch

They also require you use one of a handful of browsers, although they don’t include that info in their instructions (or they didn’t when I was attempting it), so I also spent a half day with it just crashing my system.

ARE there more than “a handful” of browsers in widespread, mainstream use? Really? I can only think of four - Chrome, Firefox, Safari, and Edge (the new version of Explorer, which even Microsoft doesn’t support any longer).

[atlatl]

I’m surprised at the disbelief regarding the lack of internet access, or what those of us in the big city would call decent internet access, in rural areas. We’re considering relocation from So Cal in retirement and high speed internet is on our list of requirements because it simply isn’t available EVERYWHERE in the U.S. Frankly, I had more reliable high speed internet and cell access in Tibet than in some places in the U.S. This is why there are anti-spam laws; to protect people who have to “pay by the drink” mostly in rural areas. I’ll resist the temptation to get on my soapbox about net-neutrality and net-equality.

On the ironic side, I find it an interesting balance to the belief by some in rural areas that those of us who live in the big city, and commute to 8-10 hours a day office jobs are somehow lazy, my word, and lesser horsewomen for keeping our horses in full training and only riding on the weekend.

You never really know someone else’s situation.

[enjoytheride]

I have two comments to add to this discussion.

1. The fact that a trainer involved in this, and in the past has been slapped down for drug violations, decided to name one of his horses “Metoo” tells you exactly how seriously abusive trainers take this. They sit behind good lawyers and blindly loyal clients.

2. LARRY NASSAR. How many young girls reported this monster and were ignored before the story finally broke?

[enjoytheride]

@Pennywell Bay

Real question: are these people the ones who can’t take the training?

It seems as though the organizations (and Congress who passed this bill, not just the USEF) is going on the premise that if one is competing in a across-state-line organization (which is why it is required by the USEF) they would, at some point, have access to an internet connection capable of handling the width.

Now- that may be an unfair assumption, but probably applies to 95% of the USEF showing population. Or- in their trek to get to a USEF sanctioned event, would be able to find a place that would have such connection.

Again- it isn’t the USEF making their own rules, it is a requirement by the 2017 bill passed by congress.

Look- you and your friends don’t want to take it, you aren’t around kids, you’re scared innocent people will just be persecuted with no due process and smeared. You don’t want to take it. The technology portion is so small and I’d love to be able to know what percentage of USEF people live in such an area that they have no access, thus are not able to successfully complete the training and compete.

Seriously- don’t make all these excuses. You don’t want to take it and will pick apart any recommendation to assist in people being able to take it. Own it because some of your posts and excuses are way below what I have come to expect from your other posts not on the Safe Sport subject.

I agree. I live in a rural area. There is no cable internet access. However, I can browse COTH, watch Netflix, and take online classes via my cell phone or a wifi hotspot. Even when my speed gets throttled I can still use the internet. Even if I couldn’t, if it was important to me I’d find a way. I think that’s important. If these people think Safesport is important then they will find a way. I seriously doubt that most horse trainers are sitting in cabins in the woods hunting squirrels for dinner and reading encyclopedias. I know plenty of trainers that don’t sit on a computer because they are busy…training… but again, if it’s important to them they will get it done.

As far as browsers? SERIOUSLY? I mean, come on. Find a better excuse.

[ladyj79]

@enjoytheride conveniently enough the people who “can’t possibly take the training” are also the people who don’t approve of safe sport :lol::lol:

[vxf111]

I do feel there ought to be a “hard copy” option for accessibility reasons and I find it hard to believe there isn’t one?!

[enjoytheride]

@ladyj79

@enjoytheride conveniently enough the people who “can’t possibly take the training” are also the people who don’t approve of safe sport :lol::lol:

Blame it on the browsers.

[GPjumper]

I’ll add one thing to this

i had to drive to Starbucks after 1 hour because the videos used up my data plan. I’m rural running off of mifi sticks from sprint. It was not fun.