Santa Anita- do you think somethings up?

Keeneland. I believe now they have had some rain (don’t recall).

I will hand it to Keeneland in transparancy.

Every day of the meet they list (as well as Current Figures which today is for October)

Number of Horses on Track
Number of Horses with Timed Workout
Number of Starters
Dirt Moisture Content
Turf Moisture Content
Number of Incidents

For every Incident (not sure exactly what qualifies as an Incident) they provide the Incident Report (not the necropsy as that may not have even yet been performed).

4 Incidents in October.

Yesterday’s Incident shows the horse’s name, race including surface, age, trainer, attending vet, injury details (catastrophic injury to LF) with a short updated note on the jockey, Adam Beschizza, who suffered a broken collarbone. For Triggerman in the 5th, track was rated as Good.

10/5: Portal was eased up and given a courtesy ride to the barn (race 3 on dirt).

10/4 (opening day): 2, one of which was covered here to Stella de’Oro; turf, catastrophic injury to LF. Second was Fast Dreamer, dirt, catastrophic injury to RF.

No commonalities with either trainer or attending vet across the 4 horses.

Of the 3 fatalities, 2 were turf.

I know 0 is unachievable. However, Keeneland is putting itself out there with at least some of the statistics that aren’t necessarily horse stats but track stats (how many horses, workouts, starters, moisture content). At least they are not just saying transparency, they are showing at least some of it. Don’t know if/when forensic necropsy results will be completed and/or made available.

https://www.keeneland.com/racing/com…-and-integrity

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Another one this morning on the training track at Santa Anita. 6 yr old mare GQ Covergirl broke both front legs. Trained by Doug O’Neill. 5 down in less than a month, 3 during training and 2 racing.

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As you noted, GQ Covergirl happened on the training track. Per the LA Times, all three morning deaths happened on the training track and one of those was a heart attack. With respect to the surface that the BC is using, there has been 2 on the last 6 weeks.

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Like I have said before in this thread, horses are always going to break down. There is nothing we can do to change that fact unfortunately. We can do our best to minimize, but it will never be zero. They should not breaking down with this sort of regularity in the morning in my opinion though. I realize they have a huge horse population are SA so the numbers may be slightly skewed but again, the number of horses going down in the morning just seems troubling to me.

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Bye Bye Beautiful was euthanized Sunday. Heartbreaking irony. https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac…quine-fatality

The article - this part hit me hard, “Bye Bye Beautiful, a 2 year old filly”.

Two years old. Just a baby.

From today on PR

SA has not ruled out a switch back to synthetic… good move to go back to synthetic or stay dirt?

Having lurked this entire thread and spoken with people who know lots more than I do, I have come to the opinion that whatever surface they decide on, it is the base that needs attention first.

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Just googled around but could not find individual statistics for Santa Anita. I’d like to see the fatality rate for the time period when they had synthetic.

What do you mean by the base needing attention first? To the best of my knowledge, the track maintenance crew maintains the base as well as the cushion.

From Equine Safety at Forefront for Breeders’ Cup in yesterday’s Bloodhorse.

A new drainage system was installed under the main track before this meet.

And today’s PR, CHRB’s Arthur Scratches Thais From Breeders’ Cup Filly & Mare Turf.

Peter Brant’s Thais has been scratched from Saturday’s Breeders’ Cup Filly & Mare Turf after being “placed on the vet’s list as unsound,” reports drf.com. The California Horse Racing Board’s equine medical director Dr. Rick Arthur made the recommendation to scratch the 5-year-old daughter of Rio De La Plata.

Good for Dr Arthur. Somebody has to step up here. The owners can manipulate, plead with or threaten their trainers into starting a horse trainer is not sure of. This takes the burden off the trainer and the owner can’t blame them, fact trainer can publically say they disagree and privately feel relieved.

About time.

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Yes, but…

Here is what the trainer (Chad Brown) had to say about it:

Brown, a three-time Eclipse Award-winning trainer, insisted Thais was sound and that Arthur refused requests to take further diagnostic tests to prove it.

“It wasn’t handled well. There was no conversation at all. I offered Dr. Arthur the opportunity to ultrasound her or use any other diagnostic tool, including X-rays, and he declined and abruptly scratched my horse,” Brown said. “I would never run a horse that wasn’t sound. I never have and never will. My record speaks for itself. The horse is perfectly sound and has been. She trains sound and has no medications in her.”

The article that quote was taken from is here: https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac…illy-mare-turf

I really hope this isn’t a case of the BC vets doing something just so they can be seen to be doing something.

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The industry is in such a weird position right now with the eyes of the world on Santa Anita and the BC. They are being proactive and I can see how they are going to err on the side of caution whenever there is even the slightest hint of an issue. My fear however is they are going to outline all these steps they have taken and a horse or horses will still be injured. God forbid all these measures prove to not be enough, I don’t know where we go from there.

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I have an ethical issue with a horse being entered as a rabbit. Racing has inherent dangers, and entering a horse with the purpose of exhausting the other speed horses places that horse at risk for injury, with little chance to actually win the race. The article states the horse has had issues in the past, and I am in agreement with scratching her if there is even the slightest question.

Okay, but that’s a totally different issue. Unless you’re saying that you are okay with vets scratching horses because they disagree with the tactics they might use in the race. If so, that’s a pretty damn slippery slope.

Yes, Thais is Sistercharle’s rabbit (which is legal–if not entirely sporting–under the rules of racing). But she is also an accomplished race mare in her own right with 350k in earnings. In her last race, she finished 3rd in the G1 Flower Bowl. She qualified to be entered in the BC race due to her own accomplishments.

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I wonder why the vet believes she is unsound and what he believes is wrong. Surely she’s not visibly off?

http://jockeyclub.com/pdfs/eid/SantaAnita.pdf

That doesn’t include statistics for 2008, which was their first full year synthetic (it was installed in 2007 with a few weeks of racing on it). 2008 was also a year of historic rainfall, increased injuries, and massive problems with their first crack at using synthetic. They cancelled a ton of racing dates and did some major overhauls to the surface throughout 2008, only to end up ripping it all out in favor of dirt at the end of 2010.

This also doesn’t include training injuries. A quick google search yielded this:

https://ktla.com/2019/06/11/santa-anita-horse-death-toll-nowhere-near-tracks-deadliest-year/

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I’m pretty sure I said that the article stated she had issues in the past, and if there is even the slightest question, I am in agreement with scratching her. My comments about rabbits were not intended to extend to the vets decision to scratch her. Racing plays favorites with money usually coming out on top, and it rankles me that some people can enter a horse simply to help their other horse win. Getting off my soapbox now.

I can’t find anything about her having had issues in the past. Regardless, it would have made more sense to me if the vets had agreed to further diagnostics–unless they were afraid those tests wouldn’t support their position.

While I obviously think the BC vets need to be concerned about safety, I also think it’s a mistake to give them carte blanche to do whatever they want with no accountability.

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