Was told to try this on a not so focused jumper. Any opinions? And what kind of does is this normally given in, and is it generally given IV of IM?
Do you mean the “natural” medicine derived from a Pitcher plant that chiropractors and natureopaths use to treat pain? (I googled). How would that “focus” your jumper? Do you mean “drug to affect performance”? That’s not legal in a rated show, nor is it ethical…at any time.
I don’t need a speech on ethics. Whether this drug is legal or not is actually not an issue. I’m schooling the horse at the home and have no plans to show him until Florida. Have just been told that this could be a good drug to help him out with some of his worry issues. I don’t know much about it nor have I committed to using it, I just want to know if anyone out there has any opinions on it.
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Do you mean the “natural” medicine derived from a Pitcher plant that chiropractors and natureopaths use to treat pain? (I googled). How would that “focus” your jumper? Do you mean “drug to affect performance”? That’s not legal in a rated show, nor is it ethical…at any time.[/QUOTE]
:: pulls out popcorn ::
oh boy… its going to turn into the Perfect Prep thread all over again.
No experience with it so I’m of no help.
I thought I’d just put it out there early, as you know it will come up, EdgeBrook! :lol: I am lying here, enjoying a beverage already, but popcorn does sound good!
I did some Googling on the drug in question, and it seems to be a pain killer, injectable, but not IV, and has a purported, anecdotal effect on horses who worry (racetrack). So the “off-label” use is to sedate or change the mental status of the horse–allegedly, as I found no medical journal reports stating that. I did find one study that proved it not efficacious as a local anesthetic in nerve blocks…
If your jumper is worried, he might be in pain, he might not be right for the job you are asking of him, or he may just need some patience and for you to take it slower with his training.
You will have a much better trained, more confident horse in the end, (even if it takes longer), if you leave the drugs out of it.
I have used it, via my vet, as an IM injectable (usually part of a cocktail) for back pain of various sorts–straight ito the offending muscle. Haven’t noticed any particularly anti-anxiety effects except that they don’t hurt any more so aren’t worried about that.
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I don’t need a speech on ethics. [/QUOTE]
Ummmmm…
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I just want to know if anyone out there has any opinions on it.[/QUOTE]
That’s exactly what Calvincrowe gave you. Her/his opinion!
No wonder so many of these threads are train wrecks. No one wants to hear opinions when they ask for them. Sheesh… carry on… :lol:
Never heard of Sarapin used for focus…only for pain related issues in the feet or back…are you sure you’re not referring to depo or Medroxyprogesterone ?
Sarapin is a vegetable block (as was said, derived from the Pitcher plant). It theoretically shouldn’t have any effect on the brain. If someone strongly believes that it would help increase focus, then it wouldn’t hurt to try, especially since it’s not a mind-altering chemical (which would be what many posters will tell you all about the ethics of). However, I doubt it’ll change the horse’s mindset much at all, unless the lack of focus is due to small but dull pains throughout the body that might be quieted slightly by the treatment.
do you mean Reserpine? I’ve seen it used once for a young horse that needed to stay very quiet for an extended period of time for recuperation of an injury. It’s an extended period tranq…I wouldn’t think you’d ever jump a horse on it.
Stacy
Maybe the OP meant Seroquine??
http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=19130845-31ef-43c7-bc56-5de230ed35c6
Reserpine, now there’s something to get folks excited about. Despite it’s correct applications (as the above poster mentioned), you won’t find too many people who don’t get all up in arms at the mention.
Not sure how a local anesthetic is going to increase focus…
That’s why I asked here. I don’t know much about the drug and was told it might help him out while schooling at home (he gets worried about things but is otherwise a phenomenal horse). Wanted to see what people knew about it as I know very little.
Can we just point out that perhaps the problem is not the drug in question.
Rather that the suggestion you’re considering to fix a behavioral problem is to use a drug and not to check the horse for it’s own issues, or yours for bypassing the natural hard work required to be a “horseman.”
Horses need time and patience. Drug users will never become world beaters without the help of a full time chemist and defense lawyer on their payroll. Hard work and time will help you far more than anything that can be injected.
And no, this drug would not be appropriate for “worry” issues. In my mind the horse is probably most “worried” about you, and I tend to think it’s right to be!
~Emily
People are awfully short tempered today. Unless I’m missing something, there is no reason to assume the worst about the OP. She is just asking a question. And in answer… In my experience, as stated by others above, it is injected directly into the muscle as a pain reliever.
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People are awfully short tempered today. Unless I’m missing something, there is no reason to assume the worst about the OP. She is just asking a question. And in answer… In my experience, as stated by others above, it is injected directly into the muscle as a pain reliever.[/QUOTE]
Then you are mistaken as is the OP. It is an anesthetic, not pain reliever such as analgesics. Serapin is NOT intended for systemic administration as you suggest. Serapin is intended to be directly injected into nerve roots etc.
For the horsemen here it is the difference between banamine and lidocaine.
I agree with Emily. It looks like the OP is looking for a short cut to a training issue.
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ok, iam an equine vet tech, we only use sarapin to inject straight into the shin’s to block them for race horses who have bucked or are starting to buck their shins. it has no effect on the brain.
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Then you are mistaken as is the OP. It is an anesthetic, not pain reliever such as analgesics. Serapin is NOT intended for systemic administration as you suggest. Serapin is intended to be directly injected into nerve roots etc.
For the horsemen here it is the difference between banamine and lidocaine.
I agree with Emily. It looks like the OP is looking for a short cut to a training issue.[/QUOTE]
Well… I don’t know that I am mistaken, as opposed to just not specific enough for you. In any event, it was injected directly into the muscles of my horses back… By my vet… In areas that were sore… To make them feel better. My post was really intended to point out that in my experience, it is used for pain not anxiety.
You can now return to your regularly scheduled programming of Judgment. Enjoy your evening.
