say no to Ellen DeGeneres support of HSUS

I support HSUS as I support a lot of rescue organizations. All have their place. From the people who go out and pick up animals to the groups that do publicity, I think all help to show the plight of animals.

oh yes, I’m one of those animal rights people too! Just an aside, the founding fathers of this country considered women as property too! Let Ellen raise money for any group she wants to. It’s not money out of anyone’s pocket who opposes HSUS.

According to whom ?
You have just become one of the gullible dupees !

Very Sad that so many think the HSUS is a harmless and helpful thing. Very Sad. Remember, one of the first things Hitler did was outlaw hunting with hounds. These organizations can creep up on you my friends.

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Very Sad that so many think the HSUS is a harmless and helpful thing. Very Sad. Remember, one of the first things Hitler did was outlaw hunting with hounds. These organizations can creep up on you my friends.[/QUOTE]

Uh, paranoid anyone???

It is a slippery slope

When you want to support them because the baby seals are cute - then when they are well supported and financed by the baby seal and cute puppy lovers - they move on to the steak on your plate and the horse in your paddock - I’m not a fan. I support humane treatment of animals, but do not believe that my horses or dogs are “enslaved”.

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When you want to support them because the baby seals are cute - then when they are well supported and financed by the baby seal and cute puppy lovers - they move on to the steak on your plate and the horse in your paddock - I’m not a fan. I support humane treatment of animals, but do not believe that my horses or dogs are “enslaved”.[/QUOTE]

And then there are people who would shoot an animal as soon as look at. Or abuse it to see what happens. Actual public policy usually lies somewhere inbetween…

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Uh, paranoid anyone???[/QUOTE]

hyperbole, perhaps (the Hitler part is a bit much) but not paranoid. HSUS is anti-hunting of any kind. that is why I posted here on this forum. Not only anti-hunting, but hunts across the country and legitimate dog breeders are spending a great deal of time fighting the HSUS-financed legislation aimed at making it very very difficult and expensive to breed dogs. If we cant breed hounds, hunting will cease.

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Very Sad that so many think the HSUS is a harmless and helpful thing. Very Sad. Remember, one of the first things Hitler did was outlaw hunting with hounds. These organizations can creep up on you my friends.[/QUOTE]

Have you ever heard of a slippery slope fallacy? Look it up. You’ll be surprised at how well you use one.

I guess most of the posters here are too young to remember when HSUS targeted the sport of eventing, showed up in their little windbreakers at Fair Hill or Radnor, one of those I think, “monitored” the horse’s care in the vet box and in general made a spectacle of themselves for no good reason and did bugger all to affect any change. Wonder what they’re doing about big lick horses.

Hey LarryBird, you are not alone. I have fox hunted for over 25 years and I support many of the protections that HSUS has sought particularly for domestic farm animals and puppies in mills. I came to these positions at the prompting of the MFHA though that obviously was not their intent. But because of the MFHA’s actions and positions I have been feeling increasingly disenfranchised from the organization and the sport which is unfortunate. It would appear that we are being forced to pick sides judging by some of the comments in this thread and some of the emails I have received from the MFHA.

If you aren’t with’em then your against them. Where have I heard that before?

Yes,and that’s where most of us think it should remain.

A number of posts in this thread illustrate just how successful HSUS is in duping people.

For those who don’t believe that- I would hope you would at least consider, if you genuinely care about animals, where your donations can maximize real world support of animals. It isn’t with HSUS. Issues aside, if you check it out, you will see they are a pretty poorly run charity. And of course they have a track record of receiving donations intended to help a specific cause- and then using them elsewhere and not directly for the benefit of animals.

I find it difficult to believe that any organization that wishes to do away with commercial farming doesn’t wish to do away with carnivorous pet ownership. Cats and dogs would be signifigantly more difficult to keep as pets should the world go vegan.

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I guess most of the posters here are too young to remember when HSUS targeted the sport of eventing, showed up in their little windbreakers at Fair Hill or Radnor, one of those I think, “monitored” the horse’s care in the vet box and in general made a spectacle of themselves for no good reason and did bugger all to affect any change. Wonder what they’re doing about big lick horses.[/QUOTE]

Thanks to them, AAEP, FOSH there is finally some turnaround regarding the soring. The big packages in and by themselves are by most not (yet) seen as abuse.

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… I have fox hunted for over 25 years and I support many of the protections that HSUS has sought particularly for domestic farm animals and puppies in mills. I came to these positions at the prompting of the MFHA though that obviously was not their intent. But because of the MFHA’s actions and positions I have been feeling increasingly disenfranchised from the organization and the sport which is unfortunate. …[/QUOTE]

can you elaborate ? I dont know in any detail what you mean about the MFHA’s prompting or actions that you take issue with.

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What does “she’s a tool” mean? I am utterly unhip to the term.[/QUOTE]

tool = idiot, one who makes bad choices

if you equate animal rights with human rights (such as women being property is the same as animals being property), then HSUS is an organization with which your beliefs are consistent. It is difficult for me, however, to reconcile the concept of animal “rights” with horse and pet ownership which I, for one, would like to continue :slight_smile: Animal welfare on the other hand, I support fully- HSUS’s agenda goes past animal welfare into the arena of animal rights (does it make sense that Wayne Pacelle changed his fundamental beliefs when he went from PETA to running HSUS?).
People can support whoever they want but it is surprising how many people support HSUS without knowing what they are supporting (I have lost count of the number of people who have told me they thought HSUS was an umbrella organization for local humane society shelters and that those local shelters get money from HSUS).

www.wsbtv.com/news/19463509/detail.html

HSUS is a lobbying group.

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Uh, paranoid anyone???[/QUOTE]

No, absolutely NOT, not one iota paranoid at all.

You mistake astuteness and wariness for being paranoid.

And your mistake - lack of street smarts - will proverbially bite you in your butt one day if you do not wake up.

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Yes,and that’s where most of us think it should remain.

A number of posts in this thread illustrate just how successful HSUS is in duping people.[QUOTE]

VERY WELL PUT AND THANK-YOU for an excellent summary of the FACTS which are there for all to see if they will only dig a little deeper for the TRUTH, as difficult as that may be for some to accept.

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Uh, paranoid anyone???[/QUOTE]
No !!! Not paranoid at all! I know how these people work and right now they are after all dog breeders! Not puppy mills, rather people like me who breed and show purebred dogs! And if any of you think for one minute that they will not go after horse owners next, well have another glass of Kool- aid!

The HSUS does not own ONE shelter! They spend money on advertisement to further the animal radical agenda! They look around for bad cases of animal abuse and then jump in to make it look like they are doing the rescuing! I personally know of one specific incident where a puppy mill was raided and the HSUS was right there in front of the cameras! But it was the dog breeders from all over that part of the country who took in the dogs, cleaned, nursed them and placed them. My national breed club donated money and breeders like me took in the dogs and even whelped those pregnant bitches.

I really thought the horse community would see that they will be the next target, and I am so glad that there are some on this BB who see the danger. But for the rest, I guess putting your hands over your ears and singing LA LA LA, will work fine when they come for your horses and pet dogs. :no: