say no to Ellen DeGeneres support of HSUS

[Tantivy1]

Here is a link to an recent article about HSUS:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/19463509/detail.html

For those of you on this board who profess support of HSUS, you have a right to expect your hard-earned donations to be used as YOU wish.

And I have a suspicion a lot of those dollars are not being used the way you think they are. (Also, I am well aware that the CCF is not lily white either, but they are far better than HSUS).

PS See the comments sent realted to the article. Interesting; John Q. Public might just be beginning to catch on.

[LetsChat]

[QUOTE=Ray;4092329]
hyperbole, perhaps (the Hitler part is a bit much) but not paranoid. HSUS is anti-hunting of any kind. that is why I posted here on this forum. Not only anti-hunting, but hunts across the country and legitimate dog breeders are spending a great deal of time fighting the HSUS-financed legislation aimed at making it very very difficult and expensive to breed dogs. If we cant breed hounds, hunting will cease.[/QUOTE]

but still the pounds are overflowing with dogs… i don’t know there has to be a happy medium somewhere because there are a lot of unwanted animals out there, many from bad breeders. i am all for animal protection but any extremist is scary no matter what side they are on, when you are so intense you are bound to miss the whole picture. What will they do make me give up my horses and kill them, who else will pay to keep them, it just seems to defeat their whole purpose and I don’t see how they could enforce it, maybe no further breeding but what about all the animals owned. And for not eating meat, people will illegally kill squirels I mean you really can’t control the population that much, how about let’s focus on abuse.

[LetsChat]

[QUOTE=Beverley;4092448]
Yes,and that’s where most of us think it should remain.

A number of posts in this thread illustrate just how successful HSUS is in duping people.

For those who don’t believe that- I would hope you would at least consider, if you genuinely care about animals, where your donations can maximize real world support of animals. It isn’t with HSUS. Issues aside, if you check it out, you will see they are a pretty poorly run charity. And of course they have a track record of receiving donations intended to help a specific cause- and then using them elsewhere and not directly for the benefit of animals.[/QUOTE]

I have done my fair share of donating time, money and supplies to my local shelter but these types of groups make me just want to keep my donations to the actual animals that I own and care for. It’s a shame but they are turning off good animal people with their plight. Instead of a vegan world how about promoting organic meat then, or stricter regulations with the raising, feeding and killing of food animals. I know they did a story on how Libby treated their animals and I too find it dispicable, but there isn’t any in between. I HIGHLY doubt they will be able to make the world vegan because if they try I might just promote cannibalism… starting with them!

[blackhorsegirl]

I understand the confusion concerning the HSUS. It is not a shelter but a watch group that keeps an eye on laws and other animal issues that come before congress. HSUS is a lobbyist for animal issues. As an animal lover, I want one of these in Washington. I also support my local horse rescue and other humane organizations.

The computer is a wonderful tool. However, just because you read it on line doesn’t make it true. The computer is an amoral object. It can spread untruth as equally well as truth.

[Guilherme]

HSUS is PETA in suit and tie.

They are not interested in humane treatment of animals, but rather an end to “animal slavery.” Thus they are not an “animal welfare organization” but an “animal rights organization.”

Those of you who support their agenda should be very careful what you wish for; you might get it.

G.

[Donella]

I dunno, I support any organization that brings to light the reality of the meat industry, the abhorant overuse of animals in research and other such discusting examples of how human beings exploit and cause immense, unnecissary suffering to billions of animals every year. Everytime I read about some new law passed that has to do with welfare or meat animals or new regulations for how lab animals are tested on ect it is either PETA or HSUS that has started the whole thing.

Yes, they do some pretty radical things to draw attention to the subject…and quite frankly, outside of harming humans, I say go for it. If they want to break into the labs of an industrial company that forcefeeds cats oven cleaner and floor polish and then put those videos out, I say all the more to them. Someone has to stand up for the animals and bring awareness of their incredible and pointless suffering . Sometimes activism is neccissary, actually, it is probably the only way in which any kind of “right” has ever been won.

[Beverley]

@blackhorsegirl;4096362

HSUS is a lobbyist for animal issues. As an animal lover, I want one of these in Washington. I also support my local horse rescue and other humane organizations.

Blackhorsegirl, no confusion on my part. I want a good lobbyist for animal welfare in D.C. too- and HSUS ain’t it. Those of us who are a bit longer in the tooth maybe recall the evolution of HSUS over the past few decades- yes, it did used to be pretty much mainstream animal welfare, but with the hiring of Wayne Pacelle, make no mistake, while he will talk ‘mainstream’ more these days to get the bucks, his core beliefs regarding animal rights have NOT changed.

Imissvixen, I’ve hunted for over 35 years, and when I started hunting, HSUS had no position at all on the subject. Now, they are officially opposed to it. Don’t take my word for it, visit their web site and read their position. Also of interest is Wayne Pacelle’s blog of May 4. He states that he sees hunting pretty much just going away on its own since the younger generation isn’t interested in participating (mind you, HSUS works to make it MORE difficult for youth to hunt at the state level). To me, that suggests that he has ditched his rhetoric on foxhunting from his Fund for Animals days because he sees the legislative efforts regarding gun hunting and the various puppy mill/dog licensing/ outlaw hunting certain animals with dogs efforts achieving what he wants without a need to appear ‘anti.’

Legislation against puppy mills is a great thing- I don’t know anyone who is ‘for’ puppy mills- the problem is that HSUS can take that laudable effort and ‘innocently’ suggest legislative language that not only gets the puppy mills, but also prevents legimate breeders, and especially packs of hounds, from operating- generally by a license system based on number of dogs that would break the bank for many hunts I know.

[Beverley]

@Donella;4097133

I dunno, I support any organization that brings to light the reality of the meat industry, the abhorant overuse of animals in research and other such discusting examples of how human beings exploit and cause immense, unnecissary suffering to billions of animals every year. Everytime I read about some new law passed that has to do with welfare or meat animals or new regulations for how lab animals are tested on ect it is either PETA or HSUS that has started the whole thing.

Yes, they do some pretty radical things to draw attention to the subject…and quite frankly, outside of harming humans, I say go for it. If they want to break into the labs of an industrial company that forcefeeds cats oven cleaner and floor polish and then put those videos out, I say all the more to them. Someone has to stand up for the animals and bring awareness of their incredible and pointless suffering . Sometimes activism is neccissary, actually, it is probably the only way in which any kind of “right” has ever been won.

Donella, I support any organization that really truly protects animals. PETA and HSUS love to play on the emotions of well intentioned people with doctored videos. So their credibility has been less than zero with me for quite a while now.

Case in point, a sensational video PETA had circulating a decade or more ago regarding the ‘cruel’ deaths of minks to make fur coats. What you saw in the pictures were minks indeed in the act of dying, with all sorts of dramatic twitching of muscles and etc. If you ever watched your dog or cat be anesthetized for surgery, you would see EXACTLY the same type of twitching seen in that video. I know, 'cause I’ve watched. Honest to goodness truth is, involuntary muscle twitching is not even remotely a sign of pain- but it sure looks impressive to people who wouldn’t be expected to know accurate details on the subject.

[BLBGP]

What bothers me about HSUS and the ASPCA is their deviousness in advertising. They make themselves appear like they are parent orgs for your local shelters, but they are not. That darn ASPCA Sarah McLaughlin commercial never once mentions “new york”.

As far as HSUS and rescues go, they are very good at handing out t-shirts and interviewing on camera. They don’t shelter, so their expertise is not in actually handling animals. They screwed up a lot in New Orleans. Once the rescue is over and the cameras leave, they leave too, and the local shelters and left holding the bill and caring for the animals (which is fine, except everyone is donating to HSUS, thinking they are helping). Watch the video someone posted from the atlanta expose. It explains things well.

[JellyBeanQueen]

I like Ellen’s show and I do watch it when I can. I thought helping the HSUS was a good thing. Now that I have read some of the stuff ppl have posted I am torn.

Maybe she thinnks she is doing a good thing also? Perhaps someone fed her alot of BS and she is not on the up and up on some of the speculations. Maybe she is,…I dont realy know, does anyone REALY know?

Now I am sad to know that a organization that I thought did good is another let down. Shame!

[ThreeFigs]

Well, as an omnivore, I’m all for consumer choice. As an animal lover, I’m all for animal welfare, but not animal rights. Animals do not have rights.

Kudos to the OP for bringing this up. HSUS, PETA and their ilk get none of my money or support. They are off the deep end.

[CarrieK]

I don’t think that anyone handled Ellen any bs or that she is ignorant. It could be simply that she holds the same views as the organization. Ellen is vegan, btw, and perhaps that’s not merely a dietary choice but a philosophy.

As for me, I believe in animal welfare but not animal rights, and simply because I don’t participate in an activity or even if I don’t agree with an activity doesn’t mean it should be banned and outlawed.

I don’t agree with the philosophy of “no animal slaves within a generation.” I don’t agree with “no captive breeding.”

I eat meat.

So, I just plain can’t agree with a group that disagrees with me.

[Donella]

Animals should have rights, however, people always seem to equate human rights with the idea of animal rights. Even if HSUS ect were pushing for human rights for animals, most of it would be irrelevant…animals cannot excercise most of our own rights simply by limitations of their very nature.

However, animals should have rights. They should just be different than our own. If you wanna call that welfare, then sure, I am all for that. But at the end of the day, the mass exploitation, production and standardized torture and complete disregard for any aspect of many species emotional and physical well being for the sole purpose of human gratification is totally discusting and should absolutely be brought to attention. I think they should have the right to be exempt from this kind of existance. So whatever group is fighting for this same belief, they have my support 100 percent.

[trafalgar]

I do not think there is anything wrong in "rehoming " a rescue animal if it is a better situation for the animal and all the fuss over that was rediculous. The time that is wasted on looking for things to object to drives me crazy! Maybe I missed some crucial piece of info regarding the situation (I didn’t think it was worth the time to read too much about it) but from what I have heard Ellen D, however you spell her last name , is a real animal lover and simply gave the pet to another good owner who loved it. Maybe it gave her more room to adopt another needy creature. And another thing , does any kind person think that animals should not have rights? How about the right to be treated kindly and recieve proper food and shelter?

[Lostboy]

I am for animal and people safety.

Please email Ellen and tell her Portia needs a a more suitable horse… one that is less spicey, that doesn’t need to be led into the arena. Let the best interests of the person and the animal begin at home :))

[simply_kim]

My family is a seventh generation farming family on the same property yet I don’t support factory farming.Its bad for the land,the animals and most importantly people including the farmers. I belong to 2 dog clubs but oppose puppymilling and support HSUS efforts at getting rid of it . People can holler all they want about HSUS , PETA, etc. but the factory farmers, hunters ,dog breeders and others all have their self serving ,moneymaking,protectionist agendas as well. I am long in the tooth , have been involved in animal welfare for decades including being very involved with my local humane society but don’t see any sort of insidious misrepresentation by the HSUS.They do not claim to own shelters. They do help educate shelters by producing a magazine called shelter sense aimed at education of shelter staff.They also run a yearly convention that is geared toward letting shelter staff see new helpful equipment , techniques that might help them.They will send a team of experts to a shelter to help plan the physical layout and also help develope policies If someone believes that they are donating money to their local shelter when they donate to HSUS it is not because HSUS has said that but because the person has failed to educate themself. When I hear someone say that PETA , HSUS and others are all the same then I pretty much know that that individual has their own agenda/issues. I donate money to HSUS and the ASPCA as I see fit and will continue to do so .That goes double for the times when they are active as they have been lately with several puppy mill closures and the three strikes ranch fiasco.Will I get what I wish for by supporting them . I certainly hope so ! The world would be a better place for it!

[Guilherme]

[QUOTE=Donella;4099203]
Animals should have rights, however, people always seem to equate human rights with the idea of animal rights. [/QUOTE]

What rights do/should animals have?

G.

[LEN]

[QUOTE=MyGiantPony;4071818]
What’s good about them? They do nothing for animal welfare. They are a lobby group with 113 million in assets, yet cry poormouth.

They want to ban all hunting and fishing, they want to eliminate livestock and promote the vegen lifestyle, their President wants to see an end to companion animals…I don’t call that a “good org”.[/QUOTE]

You are exactly right, I’m glad there are some that have got their number. They are nothing but a money grabber. They give nothing to animals. HSUS, PETA,USSPCA and your local SPCA are all connected. Even tough there might be some people that are for the animals working for your local SPCA, It still is full of liers and crooks. Your local SPCA uses their stattis to legally steal horses. I don’t even give to rescues anymore.

[S_A_McKee]

[QUOTE=Donella;4099203]
Animals should have rights, however, people always seem to equate human rights with the idea of animal rights. Even if HSUS ect were pushing for human rights for animals, most of it would be irrelevant…animals cannot excercise most of our own rights simply by limitations of their very nature.

However, animals should have rights. They should just be different than our own. If you wanna call that welfare, then sure, I am all for that. But at the end of the day, the mass exploitation, production and standardized torture and complete disregard for any aspect of many species emotional and physical well being for the sole purpose of human gratification is totally discusting and should absolutely be brought to attention. I think they should have the right to be exempt from this kind of existance. So whatever group is fighting for this same belief, they have my support 100 percent.[/QUOTE]

If you believe that then you need to stop breeding and training horses.

[BLBGP]

[QUOTE=LEN;4099371]
You are exactly right, I’m glad there are some that have got their number. They are nothing but a money grabber. They give nothing to animals. HSUS, PETA,USSPCA and your local SPCA are all connected. Even tough there might be some people that are for the animals working for your local SPCA, It still is full of liers and crooks. Your local SPCA uses their stattis to legally steal horses. I don’t even give to rescues anymore.[/QUOTE]

All SPCA’s and Humane Societies are completely independent. Some are run very, very well, some not so much. Just because you don’t like your local one doesn’t mean they are all bad. They are all individual organizations. No parent organization, no chapters.