something they easily could have done given the fact that they spent about 10% of the money donated for Katrina on Katrina victims and rescues
Not to be a stinker, but saying “local ASPCA” is like saying “local HSUS”. There is no such thing. The ASPCA is the SPCA of New York City. Marginally better than HSUS in that they actually shelter animals (in NY( and don’t have the same agenda, but still not a parent org in any way.
Your local SPCA (only one A), Humane Society, or shelter is independent.
Well, except for the tears when I put my head in the guillotine, I don’t think anyone in this discussion was crying.
and just pay attention…and wake up already…logic is your friend
Next time just swat us all on the nose with a newspaper, will ya? But don’t taze us cause that would be, yanno, cruel and abusive.
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The heck with the silly troll… I vote we make Mistyblue an honorary foxhunter.[/QUOTE]
I was going to shout “Tally, Ho!” But then, since I’m such a fox-hunting noob, I thought better about it. So now I’m shouting “Tally-ho!” and no one can accuse me of name-calling.
Hey y’all - I heard this on the news.
Guess who is going to be the new spokesman for HSUS.
Drum roll please…
Michael Vick.
I kid you not, folks. How much do you want to bet that HSUS threatened the NFL unless Vick became their “boy”.
Shameful. My stepsister is a state trooper and worked on that case - including digging up the remains of those poor dogs. That person has no business being a spokesman for anything involving animals.
Okay, I admit, I thought you must’ve misheard…or the news got it wrong like they recently did about Patrick Swayze…but no:
Out of the horse’s a–erm, mouth:
http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/2009/05/michael-vick.html
But when you step back and ponder it, we are actually the most logical place for him to go. We have the most developed programs on the issue, so if he’s sincere about making a difference, there’s no better place to land.
He asked for an opportunity to help. I want to give him that opportunity. If he makes the most of it, and demonstrates a sincere, long-term commitment to the task, then it may prove to be a tipping point in our campaign to eradicate dogfighting.
This writer is outraged:
http://www.examiner.com/x-2113-Phoenix-Pet-News-Examiner~y2009m5d20-Michael-Vick-now-working-with-the-HSUS
Call me crazy, but I can’t imagine a child molestor being asked to talk to children about the “right” and “wrong” way to touch. I couldn’t picture a rapist being asked to speak at a church youth group about why rape is wrong. I don’t see the police asking a serial killer to offer seminars about why murder is “bad.”
Remember. These are the same people who campaigned brutally AGAINST Vick being allowed to ever play football again. But then, I guess he doesn’t need to if the HSUS is willing to foot the bill…
http://consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/3903
Given the group’s well-publicized campaigns against dogfighting (a rare issue on which we wholeheartedly agree with the anti-meat giant), HSUS’s sudden change of heart about the convicted dog abuser may come as a surprise. It shouldn’t. Because as we’re telling the media today, HSUS has a history of tapping into the Michael Vick case for its own gain.
Final edit to add my opinion: I’m thinking that kids who are involved with/exposed to dogfighting also are savvy enough to understand the concept of community service, the cult of celebrity, and doing whatever you have to do to get back on the football field with as few protests as possible. I think Vick could be very effective with kids who have no involvement with/exposure to dogfights…but then, I’d have as much effect because dogfighting facts and pictures speak so well that the presenter is irrelevent.
Don’t forget the big picture here, what the ultimate goal of those animal rights groups seems to be, other than becoming and staying the largest non-profit in existence, that is:redefining the human-animal relationship, but according to their very narrow views, that are really eliminating ANY use of animals by humans.
All this other is smoke and mirrors.
Some of their money goes for seminars and group gatherings, a church of the animal rights movement of sort, where people are told how good they are to care and follow the lead into a better world for animals.
As long as those groups can keep us all divided, infighting between each group of animal users, see how even between horse users every one is very proud of their own horses and what they do with them, but look down their nose at others doing something else with their horses and even glad when those others are attacked, never occurring them to come to their help.
I expect that it will take some real hard times for all to get those people with so much idle time in their hands, those rebels without a cause the animal rights caters to, to finally understand where their path following such groups is leading them.
Easy to say we don’t need to use animals, how uncouth of us, we as humans should be more sophysticated than that.
Stay tuned, because it seems that, with their overflowing coffers, those organizations are on the attack and no one knows where it will lead, as long as enough are supporting them.:no:
That’s ok - I’m glad you double checked me because I just heard it once on the radio yesterday morning. I could easily have misheard or misinterpreted.
I most sincerely doubt this was Vick’s idea. HSUS doesn’t work that way. HSUS threatens and lies. I’ve seen it with my own eyes.
You know what they tell people about hunting with dogs? Duck hunting, coon hunting - any type of hunting - even with a little beagle or basset hound?
They tell the world that hunting dogs are trained by throwing them live kittens to teach them “bloodlust”.
People actually believe it. Never even question or think for themselves. HSUS said it so it must be true.
You know what we use to train scent hounds? Milk Bones and artificial scent. Know what’s used to train a water dog? Dummies and Milk Bones.
Unless HSUS is following PETA’s “sea kittens” idiocy and changed the name of dog treats to “live kittens”… they’re lying. Again.
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see how even between horse users every one is very proud of their own horses and what they do with them, but look down their nose at others doing something else with their horses and even glad when those others are attacked, never occurring them to come to their help.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your entire post, but this part especially, since very recently there were comments made over on the eventing board that anyone who competes in eventing is (I’m paraphrasing) tossing their horse over the cliff. Despite the fact that the injuries and deaths have been in the upper levels and with upper level riders, there’s a seemingly common opinion that every competitor, merely competing=horse killer. There were comments that people who believe in animal welfare think of and treat their animals like machines or means to an end. Here, on the Chronicle board are folks who not only aren’t interested in the sports that the Chronicle covers, but think that they’re de facto cruel and abusive. Astonishing.
People don’t see that how goes rodeo goes foxhunting goes eventing; they say folks who think along those lines are paranoid or, at the least, not awake and not thinking logically. Perhaps, but when people aren’t engaged with horses, what’s the difference between rodeo and eventing when a horse is injured? What’s the difference between cattle prods and electric fences (still wondering about that one)?
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You know what we use to train scent hounds? Milk Bones and artificial scent.
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Actually, some of us dachshund people have been known to use road kill to train our scent hounds…:o
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People don’t see that how goes rodeo goes foxhunting goes eventing; they say folks who think along those lines are paranoid or, at the least, not awake and not thinking logically. Perhaps, but when people aren’t engaged with horses, what’s the difference between rodeo and eventing when a horse is injured? What’s the difference between cattle prods and electric fences (still wondering about that one)?[/QUOTE]
I am heartened that there people on this list who are smart enough to see the threat out there. Someone said that HSUS has the money to attack on all fronts, they are doing that right now! They (HSUS) said that they want to introduce a myriad (can’t remember the exact numbers) of animal (mostly dog and cat for now) related bills all over the country. They are doing that as we write on this subject! I am on a number of legislature alert lists and I get alerts EVERY day on new legislature in one city or another across the country! HSUS and their ilk have the money and momentum to attack on all fronts, the dog community is working as hard as they can, but we do not have the money and full time/paid workers to combat this. Of course, they have people like Bob Barker (ugh), Pamela Anderson, etc. to use as spokesmen! Who have we gotten? I will say that Lassie was used in CA and was successful on last year’s HSUS attempt. (wish he had bitten Bob Barker… or at least lifted his leg on him…)
Please remember this is just not a fight against puppy mills, it is going to expand to everyone who owns any animal!!!
Thanks for the info. I will be sure to call and give my SUPPORT to HSUS fundraiser. There is a lot of need for animal rescue and my research shows that anti HSUS lobbyists are throwing out all kinds of inflammatory nonsense and even lies.
If you did actual unbiased research you’d see the facts that very little of their financial support goes towards any animal anywhere and that the “lies” aren’t being made up by “anti” folks at all. Just folks who bothered researching this first.
This is the correct part of what you have to say.
As Misty Blue noted, some of us care enough about animals to go find the truth. Sorry to see you are not one of them, because animals will not benefit from your chosen charity.
Wondering out loud to self, who is beating the bushes to get folks to come on over to COTH to sign up in support of HSUS…
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Guess who is going to be the new spokesman for HSUS.
Drum roll please…
Michael Vick.[/QUOTE]
I’m aghasted! :eek:
This is a huge mistake on their part. It will not sit well with the vast majority of HSUS supporters. WTF are they thinking???!!! Unreal.
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Thanks for the info. I will be sure to call and give my SUPPORT to HSUS fundraiser. There is a lot of need for animal rescue and my research shows that anti HSUS lobbyists are throwing out all kinds of inflammatory nonsense and even lies.[/QUOTE]
This sound like words from another new poster sent over from animal rights sites.
That may backfire for them, because if they read the links provided, they may change their mind quickly about who is “throwing out all kinds of inflammatory nonsense and even lies” here.:yes:
Sometimes, getting accolites truly informed may not be the brightest idea.:winkgrin:
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I’m aghasted! :eek:
This is a huge mistake on their part. It will not sit well with the vast majority of HSUS supporters. WTF are they thinking???!!! Unreal.[/QUOTE]
Yeah…I don’t know how all that’s going to work out -or if that is a 100% done deal. I agree - I don’t think there would be very strong support for that among the membership. I’m no longer a member and I certainly think it is completely inappropriate.
First, he’s a convicted felon - and his crime is pretty horrific. Second, he’s a imbecile and does not give a damn about animal welfare. Third - his involvement with HSUS makes a mockery of and cheapens all those who are actually out there REALLY helping animals.
And it really shows HSUS’s true colors. Really makes a whore out of them.
Wayne Pacelle said… “I sat with the man, but I still don’t know what’s in his heart”.
I’ll tell you what’s in his heart, Wayne. He wants to improve his very tarnished image in the eyes of the NFL. He’s a very simple man with very simple needs. His heart is no bigger than that of a fruit fly. Try to get a clue, dear.
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Wayne Pacelle said… “I sat with the man, but I still don’t know what’s in his heart”.
I’ll tell you what’s in his heart, Wayne. He wants to improve his very tarnished image in the eyes of the NFL. He’s a very simple man with very simple needs. His heart is no bigger than that of a fruit fly. Try to get a clue, dear.[/QUOTE]
Yeah - the guy just wants to play football. I bet he’d do anything if he could just play football.
Sorry if you’re a HSUS member - don’t want to offend you - but I find this development absolutely appalling. How sleazy can you get?
My stepsister is a VA state trooper and worked on the Vick case - which included collecting evidence. Bodies.
You don’t want that guy to be within 20 feet of any animal - trust me. And the thought of him cuddling a puppy for a HSUS ad makes me want to vomit.
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Yeah - the guy just wants to play football. I bet he’d do anything if he could just play football.
Sorry if you’re a HSUS member - don’t want to offend you - but I find this development absolutely appalling. How sleazy can you get?
My stepsister is a VA state trooper and worked on the Vick case - which included collecting evidence. Bodies.
You don’t want that guy to be within 20 feet of any animal - trust me. And the thought of him cuddling a puppy for a HSUS ad makes me want to vomit.[/QUOTE]
No, not member so no offense taken. I agree with what you’ve said 100%. It IS appalling. And stupid beyond words. Does Wayne Pacelle really believe Michael Vick is a 21st century Prodigal Son? Where’s barf smilie when you need it? :mad:
Can’t wait to hear what Ellen has to say about this. 
