Well done Misty. Thank you for gathering those lovely quotes and posting them all in one place. And we as horse people, hunters and dog/cat owners are the horrid ones…
Crazy, scary stuff.
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All goes to credibility. Once you make a claim that you trained 10 FEI stallions you open yourself up to questions and verification. It’s the only way to decide if you have any credentials to back up your story.
Fandango was a 1987 model so no records available except for a recording at USEF ( and he’s a gelding, thought I asked about FEI stallions)
Queoist, no record at USEF.
One more time, can you explain what the device is that caused you to write legislation? Did you post a link to a copy of the proposed legislation? If you did and I missed it, my apologies.[/QUOTE]
She’s obviously never been a farmer/rancher, though. That was the original question…
[QUOTE=Go Fish;4106191]
She’s obviously never been a farmer/rancher, though. That was the original question…[/QUOTE]
I don’t think Quest ever made any claim to being a farmer/rancher.
This is the claim I was asking about.
"Did I just say University? I thought the laundry list was enough. I guess not. On top of the animals listed above that were taken care of in a 10 person community that we were exclusive to… I have also been the trainer of 10 FEI stallions, 15 rodeo ropers/racers, 2 Young Rider Dressage horses, 1 Chimpanzee, 2 goats, 4 dogs, and one elephant names Bubbles. And those are JUST the animals off the top of my little head that I can think of to appease you right now that I was solely responsible for, at one time or another. "
Not sure what your point is GoFish. I was trying to verify her claim as a trainer because that seems to be what Quest is establishing as his/her experience level.
One of the two horses that was mentioned was a 1987 model so if Quest was the trainer starting from a young horse then Quest is not likely to be a young person as some seem to think.
The heck with the silly troll… I vote we make Mistyblue an honorary foxhunter.
Bravo, MB.
Please, continue to attack me. I’ve got broad shoulders.
and try searching “Quest” and not the French registration. I wasn’t aware for a horse to be FEI it had to be registered under the USDF. There are many other outlets.
And I’ve got plenty of facts, but I don’t feel the need to go further with people who seem to be more interested in my ability to train animals.
And I’ve never lived on a farm. Though I’ve worked a pig farm in Southern Illinois and worked every day (not currently) at horse farms. Just because I don’t raise animals for slaughter or chase other animals with my steed doesn’t mean I don’t have extensive farm experience. But there we go again with my experience. I’m not jumping through any more hoops for anyone… unless that “wager” proves true… then I’ll forward whatever your hearts desire.
Ridiculous… feel free to PMail me if you would further like to talk to me, I have no reason to check back to this thread to hear more questions of my personal qualifications.
Quest - no one is interested and this thread isn’t about you.
Go Fish:
The topic was definitely stallions.
She bragged about training them and she was asked about them.
Obviously does not know the difference between a stud and a gelding.
Of course when she sees this she will look it up and tell us she does.
However, this misses the point. The point is not to embarrass her but to find out whether she really has an every day life experience of any long term working with animals.
I think not.
There is a real difference between laboratory type exposure to animals and helping the vet float teeth or castrate a colt.
Or pull a foal at 3:00 AM.
Or dehorn a cow.
Or shoe a horse that is determined to kick the $^!+ out of the farrier.
Or spend two hours trying to convince a a greenie that the trailer really won’t swallow him alive.
That is when you find out whether you REALLY like animals.
CSSJR
If we do not wish to lose our freedom, we must learn to tolerate our
neighbor’s right to freedom even though he might express that freedom
in a manner we consider to be eccentric.
Hey Quest52:
If you want to get this away from an analysis of your brain, go to MistyBlue’s post and go down the list of quotes she posted and give us your opinion of why any horse or dog owner should agree with and support each of the various statements.
They are posted as a reason to shun HSUS.
You tell us why they are a reason to support HSUS and the other AR organizations.
Get it back on a discussion of logic, if you don’t like the way it is going now.
CSSJR
If we do not wish to lose our freedom, we must learn to tolerate our
neighbor’s right to freedom even though he might express that freedom
in a manner we consider to be eccentric.
That was one hell of a post, Misty Blue. wowser. Opened my eyes.
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I don’t think Quest ever made any claim to being a farmer/rancher.
This is the claim I was asking about.
"Did I just say University? I thought the laundry list was enough. I guess not. On top of the animals listed above that were taken care of in a 10 person community that we were exclusive to… I have also been the trainer of 10 FEI stallions, 15 rodeo ropers/racers, 2 Young Rider Dressage horses, 1 Chimpanzee, 2 goats, 4 dogs, and one elephant names Bubbles. And those are JUST the animals off the top of my little head that I can think of to appease you right now that I was solely responsible for, at one time or another. "
Not sure what your point is GoFish. I was trying to verify her claim as a trainer because that seems to be what Quest is establishing as his/her experience level.
One of the two horses that was mentioned was a 1987 model so if Quest was the trainer starting from a young horse then Quest is not likely to be a young person as some seem to think.[/QUOTE]
It was someone else that brought it up…someone who farms. The point being that people who farm/ranch for a living have a different perspective on livestock/animals than people who don’t. Sorry if I wasn’t clear on that. Should have put it in quotes…
well done Misty Blue!!
thank you very much for posting those quotes.
Please tone down further requests for personal info/background verification and instead address the statements made themselves or other aspects of the discussion.
Thanks!
Mod 1
[QUOTE=Tantivy1;4096007]
Here is a link to an recent article about HSUS:
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/19463509/detail.html
For those of you on this board who profess support of HSUS, you have a right to expect your hard-earned donations to be used as YOU wish.
And I have a suspicion a lot of those dollars are not being used the way you think they are. (Also, I am well aware that the CCF is not lily white either, but they are far better than HSUS).
PS See the comments sent realted to the article. Interesting; John Q. Public might just be beginning to catch on.[/QUOTE]
Not any more there, the HSUS wields a big stick, all those millions ought to be good for something.:winkgrin:
It seems that the links to that video and other stories have been deleted, the HSUS claiming slander, if I understand this right.
I know they seem to be on a campaign right now to clean their image of that of having become an extreme animal rights group, probably because that is starting becoming costly to their bottom line.
Maybe that video could have seen as slanderous.
My opinion is that, with their history the last few years, I would guess that their threats is what made the news station back off, more than who is right here.
You make up your own mind:
http://blog.beefmagazine.com/beef_daily/20...e-wbs-tv-video/
If HSUS fired Wayne Pacelle and went back to focusing on their original mission- I’d consider being a donor again.
But the aggressive AR stuff - they’ve got to abandon that, along with the lies.
Please explain the statement “HSUS waste diring Katrina”? What did they waste?
ALL I know about HSUS is that it set up a hotlime for people to report the location of their pets that the US gov. and LA state gov officials forced them to leave behind – Remember the video of the little boy and his dog? The boy was not allowed to take his little dog with him on the evacuation bus-- no one knows what happened to that poor little white poodle.
Anyway, I KNOW from personal experience of animals rescued by the HSUS from locked homes because they rescued two cats that were left locked in a home on Coliseum St. after I called the HSUS hotline and gave them the info on their location so they could be rescued.
The cats’ owners were able to find them at Lamar Dixon temporary shelter in Gonzales 10 days after the storm, and take them back to Texas where they were staying until they were allowed back into their N.O. home almost a MONTH later.
If those cats had remained locked in the house-- which didn’t flood – their owners would have returned to find them dead. HSUS spent lots of money supporting temporary shelters throughout Louisiana and Mississippi – some of which did not close down until months after Katrina.
Google HSUS and Hurricane Katrina.
You’ll find the other side of the story down the page. Evidently HSUS happily took credit for much of the rescue work when they in fact were not involved. According to one of the sites I browsed, Wayne Pacelle himself told a rescue worker with 13 cats she had saved to “turn them loose where you found them”.
WTF.
I’d post links, but I’m not that computer savvy.
HSUS made themselves look good - but they were awful during Katrina.
There was a poster there who took photos of HSUS workers putting perfectly good dog food and unused crates into dumpsters - while on their website they begged for money for dog food and crates.
UNUSED crates still in their wrappers. In the trash. Do a search and maybe those photos are still there.
They refused to allow rescuers to use those crates to rescue stranded animals.
They wore their black t-shirts and slapped HSUS stickers on things so that it looked like they were doing something. Lots of interviews, lots of convenient photo ops.
Make no mistake - the animals in Katrina were saved by VOLUNTEERS not affiliated with HSUS, not funded by HSUS, and drove down there and did all the work while HSUS took the credit.
The rescues that were down there received no money from HSUS at all - they did it on their own dime. My rescue spent several years trying to replenish its coffers from Katrina.
You want another HSUS lie?
Look no further than the Presidential Inauguration. A horse was injured. The HSUS press release was typical - over dramatizing the incident, making it appear that they had a team there that treated the animal and was in control, blah blah blah. It was also over the freakin’ internet.
The owner/rider belong to this BB - and guess what. Complete lie. HSUS didn’t do ANYTHING.
Another recent example? The horrible death of those polo ponies. Here comes HSUS, sending people to “investigate”, and the interviews where they accuse the polo world of being closed and shady - and conveniently finding a “nutritionist” that stated giving vitamins was “performance enhancing” - making it seem like there was a big incident of abuse or cruelty before the bodies were cold.
When it turns out it was just a tragic accident - HSUS disappears. Freakin’ vultures.
A recent case a COTH poster posted about - a pig sanctuary in which HSUS shows its true colors.
Another poster chimes in - when HSUS does a media gig with a local shelter they want the shelter to kill all the dogs to make the shelter look nicer.
Lies lies lies lies lies lies lies lies… with HSUS it’s all about manipulating the public to bring in money and then use it to do things most of their donors would never support. Bans. Complete bans on activities, egregious licensing or other costs, bans bans and more bans.
What made me really sick is their “undercover” investigation of a meat packing plant. The guy was there for SIX WEEKS - and never reported one incident. He just kept filming animals being abused, poor things.
He didn’t go to the police or USDA - he went back to HSUS and then HSUS PUT THE VIDEO ON THEIR WEBSITE. HSUS didn’t notify the authorities.
The USDA issues an immediate recall of all the meat and the plant gets shut down.
Which is what HSUS wanted. They didn’t want abuse to stop. They didn’t want animals treated well and the plant take steps to ensure animal welfare.
They wanted to cost the industry millions of dollars and didn’t care if people were put at risk of mad cow.
They wanted the plant closed because they want to ban any use of animals and that is a step in that direction. The suffering of those animals was a perfect opportunity to exploit - and they exploited it… Guess it’s ok for animals to suffer if it’s for “the cause”. That worker could just have reported the first incident he saw and the abuse would have stopped - but NO - he ALLOWED it to continue… for weeks. Knowing what would happen. That incident was orchestrated by HSUS.
As far as I’m concerned every HSUS employee involved in that incident should have been arrested and convicted of cruelty too.
Well, all I know is that I called the HSUS rescue hotline and SOMEONE went to that house and rescued those two cats. That was the only rescue number published in the paper, and that was the only one I called.
And as far as the unused food- a local rescue I voltunteer for received lots of unused food from the HSUS – dry food and cases of canned food.
And one of the local vets was given about 50 of the crates-- some not even used, and asked to donate them to a local rescue that could use them.
So maybe some of the volunteers for HSUS decided to just chunk food and crates, but all of them didn’t.
HSUS was a clusterfark for Katrina’s lost pets. They made great commercials and print ads…they handed out tons of free HSUS t-shirts for everyone to wear to make it look like the actual HSUS was doing something.
The employees (not the new temporary volunteers) did nothing. Nada. Zip. They weren’t spending their own HSUS money…they were thre to make collections.
They bragged about the $5.5 mil they raised to help those poor animals…yet claimed to have rescued only 300 animals. So what, they spent $17k per animal?
And how about the fact that the Houston SPCA rescued over 1000 animals…with probably 1% of the money the HSUS brought in. Or the Louisianna SPCA saved another 700…also with a teeny portion of over $5 mil and hundreds of naive volunteers. LSU vet school took in another 600 animals. So how come everyone else saved at least twice that many animals on less than 10% of the HSUS donated money and with less than 1/4 of the volunteers? And why didn’t the HSUS use any of that donated money to help the over 2300 other saved animals they couldn’t get off their lazy press-whoring butts to save? Nope, they pocketed it and brought it home to the bank. Too costly/time consuming to ship or restribute all the food and crates they got…so they threw out the bulk of it. Yep, threw it out. In dumpsters. They care about the animals? Nope, not one little bit. Just like PETA, they care about attention and money. They’re the Paris Hilton of the rescue world.
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Well, all I know is that I called the HSUS rescue hotline and SOMEONE went to that house and rescued those two cats. That was the only rescue number published in the paper, and that was the only one I called. .[/QUOTE]
Don’t doubt that you did but…
Maybe someone from HSUS went for the cats but maybe the message was passed to a local ASPCA, who will ever know?
So get real. Look at the facts. Use some common sense and put things in perspective.
Weigh your positive experience on the scales against all the web links with the sobering facts (not to mention rabid durect quotes by the likes of Newkirk) and then also add the negative first hand experiences others on this board have faced. Throw in a few other positive stories (if you can confirm any) - I am sure there are a few others- but in the end…
Where do the scales tip?
For all of those on the fence about HSUS… the scales DO NOT LIE!
HSUS is a sorry shameful sham.
