Seabiscuit Genetic Line

[snaffle1987]

I have been a fan of Seabiscuit before the movie and the book came along; mainly because I have a slight personal connection to the story. I am a fan of studying genetics and lineage and thought it would be neat to go through and see if any ancestors are still racing today. I would love to own a relative, someday, but I don’t think it’s currently in the cards. I did the best research that I could and I am sure I am missing a few but if you are interested; feel free to keep reading. these are the most recent born who are direct descendants.

ImaPistol: 2011 filly Call Me Cat x Busy Little Pistol (Gun Bay). Trainer: Nancy Summers. Owner: Donald Elkins. Last Raced May 2016.

Kat’s Quick Draw: 2012 Gelding Call Me Cat x Busy Little Pistol. Trainer: Camille Telford. Owner: Donald Elkins. Last raced March 2015

Navajo Pistol: 2013 Gelding Indian Territory x Busy Little Pistol. Same connections as above. Last raced August 2016.

Smart Little Habit: 2002 Gelding Call me Cat x Busy Habit

Tietjen: 2001 Gelding. Call Me Cat x Busy Habit. Last race he was pulled up and vanned off. Trainer was Wayne Noel. Oner Donald Elkins. Last raced in 2009.

Logenon: 2005 colt Dee Lance x Busy Partner

Easter Prospect- 2002 Patsy Prospect x Busy Tab. Trained By billy Floyd. Owned by E.B. Isbell. 23 starts. Last Raced in 2006 at Sunray Park

Abraham: 2003 mexico bred. Don Gabriel x Sweet Judge

Southern Zone: 2004 Top Brass x End Zone

Gerojetter: 2002. Not Surprised x Lynjetter

Loyal Legacy: 2004 Loyal Pal x Lynjetter

Sudden Ring: 2006 Sudden Hush x A ring for Sue

Battle Ring: 2004 gelding Sudden Hush x A ring for sue. Owned by Archie Brown. Trained Ryan Mclean. 4 starts. Last Raced 2007 Northlands Park.

Do Dah Day: 2002 Buck Strider x Basic Snob.

Agrainofsandy: 2006 Tamourad x Patty Course

Tamourads Knight: 2006 Tamourad x Sandinyourface

So You Know: 2009 Gelding Aurium x Woody Jo Harriman

Joyful Dream: 2002 Gelding Bridle and Bit x Star Dream> Owner Barbara Wilshire. Trained Quentin Miller. 1 start.Maiden Claiming Golden Gate. finished 10/10

Lil Bit Tenacious. 2008 Bridle and Bit x Star Dream

Ashton K: 2004 Gelding Dixieland Diamond x Bonne Nuite. Owned Kiot Stables. Trained James Field. 7 starts. Last Raced 2008 Portland Meadows. Finished 8th.

Gallant Gent: 2007 gelding. Yankee Gentleman x Bonne Nuite. Owned Kyle Casperson. Trained Joe Hawley. 42 starts. Last Raced 2014 Canterbury Park, Finished 8th.

James Jr. 2001 Gelding CHerokee Run x Bonne Nuite. Linda Melancon Owner. Trainer Francis Melancon. 22 starts. Last raced 2006 Delta Downs. Finished 10th. “pressed, stopped”

Midnight Commander: 2002 Gelding Deputy Commander x Bonne Nuite. Owned Budget Stable. Trained Janet Armstrong. 3 starts. Last rasced 2005 at Hastings. Finished 3rd.

Native Mugger: 2008 Colt. Native Factor x Mugme Again.
Breeder: James Arnold, Marcia Arnold & Deborah Miley

Triple Dipper: 2009 Colt. Anziyon x Triple Dipped

Fiurella: 2000 Malmo x Nonna’s Choice

Laura D B: 2001 Malmo x Nonna’s Choice

P Js Little Puzzle: 2007 Pine for Java x French Puzzle

Purdues Quick One: 2004 Purdues Double x isaquickone

R Lil Rose: 1999. French Sassafras x Nancy Wolf. She was pilled from a kill pen in May 2014. Have not found an update since. Last Owner Glen Gilstrap. Trained William Cory. 7 starts. Last raced Fresno 2004 and DNF. “pulled up, vanned off”

Ferion Sky: 2005 Gelding. Smile Again x Shiney Halo. 20 starts. Owner: B.W.I. Thoroughbreds and Lawrence, Doug and Tracy. Trainer: Gerard Mootoo. Last raced Northlands Park 2011. Finished 8th.

Battle the Bank: 2005 Thank the Bank x Shelly Marie Breeder: Julien R. Stevens Jr. Owner: Joshua Bradley. Trainer: William Edward Olsen. 5 starts. Last Raced at Evangeline 2009. Finished 12th/13

Careful Banker: 2007 colt Thank the Bank x Shelly Marie. Breeder: Julien R. Stevens Jr. Owned/Trained: Maurice Harper. Louisiana. 1 start. Finished 14th/14 at Evangeline.

Relaunching a Bank. 2003 colt. Thank the Bank x Shelly Marie. Breeder: Julien R. Stevens Jr.Owner: Arlene A. Leopaul. Trainer: James R. Angelle. 8 starts, Last raced Evangeline 2007. Finished 10th

Shellys Battle: 2006. Thank the Bank x Shelly Marie

Emery Diamond: 2007 Quick Biscut x Tempestous Gal. Breeder: Frederico P. Flores

Swamp Gal: 2011 Swamprat x Tempestous Gal. Breeder/Owner: Breeder: Frederico P. Flores. 2 starts (1 in 2016). Last raced Feb 2016 at Sam Houston. Finished 8th/8. “stopped”.

Tonsofash: 2006 Colt. Quick Biscut x Tempestous Gal. Breeder/Owner: Breeder: Frederico P. Flores. Trainer: Allan R. Miller. 2 starts. Last Raced Gillespie Fairgrounds 2009. Finished 8th/10. “tired”

Copelans Ace: 2003 Gelding Copelans pache x Mia Frilly World

Kalico Kate: 2007 B GS Drone x Lozen Lou. Breeder/Owner: Emma Gene Hall.Trainer: Raymond M. Carlisle, Jr… 1 start. Finished 10th. Last raced Ruidoso. “vanned off”

Lobo JOe: 2002 Catonie Choke x Lozen lous. Breeder: Fletcher Hall.Owner: Cleto Martinez, Jr… 17 starts. Last Raced: Zia Park 2006 and finished 8th. “vanned off”

Mundo Flash: 2004 Adios Mundox x Lozenlou

Sister Gump: 2008 Grand CHampion Cat x Lozenlou. Breeder: Emma Gene Hall. Owner: Bell, Robert J. and Chavez, Anthony. 3 starts. Last ran 2011 in Albuquerque. finished 11th.

Wynona: 2003 Adios Mundo x Lozenlou

Goldsphere: 2004 Mushi Mushi x Bold Orphan (bold ruler)

Bend the Rail: 2009 Gelding. Rail x Genuine Girl. Breeder: Ken Venable & Mary V. Mayers.Owner: Stanley Harrison, Sr… 7 starts. Last raced Evangeline 2011. finished 12th

Genuine Spark: 2003 Gelding. Mr Sparkles x Genuine Girl. Breeder: Mary V. Mayers. Owner: Venable, Ronald and Ken. 53 starts. last ran 2011 at Evangeline and finished 8th.

Rails Genuine Boy. 2008 Gelding. Rail x Genuine Girl. Breeder: Ken Venable & Mary V. Mayers. Owner: Lynn J. Romero, Jr… 45 starts, Last raced at Louisiana Downs and finished 3rd.

Bran Dee Select: 2004 Feu Denfer xRoadside Promise. Breeder/Owner/Trainer: Gail Hochsteiner. 43 Starts. Last Raced 2012 at Sunflower. Finished 4th

Devilish Kandee: 2002 Orchids Devil x Roadside Promise.Breeder/Owner: Gail Hochsteiner . 1 start at Kamloops, DNF.

Regal Promise: 2001 Royal Albert Hall x Roadside Promise

Kan Dee Promise: 2009. The Lady Groom x Devilish Kandee.

more to come…

[snaffle1987]

Morning Flower: 2005. Poncho Villa x Fast Cure,

Amazing Firenze: 2002 Conquestarose x Mahdi

Bella Firenze: 2001 Khozaam x Mahdi

Stormin Eishin: 2001 Eishin Storm x My Ken Tee. Breeder/Owner: Gary W. Clements. 21 starts, Last raced Sunland and finished 10th

Yamakenmecrazy: 2002 Eishin Storm x My Ken Tee. Breeder: Gary W. Clements. Owner: Maria G. Gonzalez. 43 starts, Last raced: 2008 at Albuquerque and finished 1st

Friday’s Prospect 2005 POatsyprospect x Annies Pridenjoy. Breeder: Maria Stanford. Owner: Lyndon Bone. Trainer: Elton Keshane. Last raced: 2008 at Melville District where he finished 3rd.

Babes Storm: 2007 Eishin Storm x Emmas Babe. Breeder/owners: Janet F. Graham Kreager & Timothy R. Kreager. 3 starts. Last race 2011 Ruidoso. Finished 7th/7

Tour de Babe: 2003 Le Grande Danseor x Emmas Babe: Breeder: Janet F. Graham Kreager & Timothy R. Kreager. 2 starts, Last raced at SUnland, finished 2nd

Lush and Exotic: 2006 Eishin Storm x My Ken Tee: Breeder: Gary Clements, 19 starts,. Last raced: Sunland Park. Finished 11th

Mybootscootingal: 2007. Full sibling to above.

Thumpers Devil: 2002 Devil Be Gone x Amber Lee. Breeder: Clifford P. Graham II. 41 starts. Last raced: Zia Park 2009 and DNF,. Vanned Off.

Tahite Rose: 2005. Chenate x Nervy One. Breeder: Juan A. Martine. Arizona. 32 starts. Last raced Rillito: finished 4th.

A Fine Twist: 2004. Olivers Twist x Sadieisofine.

Natalie One: 2008. Rocky Bar x Nervy One. Last raced Turf Paradise. Finished 6th >2012

Sunibisquit: 2003 Sunnys Halo x Cherokee Idol. Breeder: Richard Green. Owner: Collette McMillan. Trainer: J. Ray Bustamante.9 Starts. Last raced Retama Park. Finished 10th.

Marleys Pot o Gold: 2009 Sunibisquit x Love Unlimited. Breeder: Clinton Welliver. Trainer: Nicole Snyder. 4 starts. Last Raced 2012 at Lone Star. Finished 9th.

One Man Show: 2009 Teeman x Heidi One. Breeder: Victor Karns. Owner: Raymond F. Gastelum. 12 starts. Last raced 2015 Rillito. Finished 6th

Judy Would: 200 mare. Western Gentleman x Trudy Would. 16 starts. Breeder: Kent D. Steele Jr. Owner: Laurie Luna. Last raced Fairmount Park. Finished 7th,

AP Dilly. 2005 AP Million x Linda B. Breeder: Eugene Branum & Linda Branum. Owner: Woodburn, Kenda and Post, Michael. 22 starts. Last ran 2001 at Fair Meadows and finished 2nd.

Hallelujah Sunrise. 2007 Cornish Snow x Linda B. Last Raced Will Rogers. Finished 6th (2012)

Sister AV: 2006 AV Eight x Linda B. Last raced Oaklawn. 2 starts

Brother Rusty: 2007 War Launch x Trudy Would. Breeder: Family Affair Farm. Owner: Venard Georgiana. Trainer: Joan L. McArthur. 12 starts, Last raced Hawthorne and finished 9th

Hennessy Special: 2008. Roll Hennessy Roll x Virgin Island Girl. Breeder: Frank McNeilly. Owner: Buckey A. Stockwell. 3 starts. Last raced Sunray Park, finished 8th

V I Frederickstead: 2009. Full sibling to Hennessy Special. Broke Down at Ruidoso.

Runaway Kara: 2002. CHerokee Runaway x Kara Dancer. Breeder: Kenneth Sessions. Trainer: W. Bret Calhoun. 6 starts, Last raced: 2006 at Louisiana Downs

Runaway Leah: 2003 Cherokee RUnaway x Kara Dancer

Runaway Lil Bull: 2004 Full sibling to above

Diamond Fire: 2013 Mustan Far x AP Dilly. Breeder: Kenda Ruth Woodburn. No Starts

At PresidentsDay: 2000. Majestic Sommerset x Cherokee Idol. Last Raced Sam Houston 2008

[snaffle1987]

the youngest I could find with direct lineage were 2 animals born in 2013.

[Shammy_Davis]

Have you read Seabiscuit - the Rest of the Story by Bill Nichols?

http://www.foaltoyearlinghalter.com/story-of-seabiscuit.html

With only 108 foals and short sire life, he only produced a couple of talented runners. Not to say that he wasn’t a fascinating racehorse.

[snaffle1987]

yes, he produced only a few talented runners. Looks like many of his original foals and their offspring went unraced or had very, very short racing careers (under 5 starts) and were then bred. this was back in the 50’s and 60’s. Side note; his son was the horse who starred as his sire in the Shirley temple film. He was only alive for about 7 years from retirement until his death. Charles Howard passed away shortly after the horse. What happened to his stable of horses, I don’t really know. But many of Seabiscuit’s daughters and sons fell off the map or had minimal offspring and their genetic lines quickly ended.

I would like to think Biscuit might’ve had more success if he had a better book of mares to service but being in California and only breeder mares that C.H. owned; his gene pool was limited.

With that being said there were two granddaughters of Seabiscuit who were both sired by NOOR. All Dressed Up and Shamvara (Out of Dressed Up by Seabiscuit and out of a mare sired by BULL DOG and out of a mare sired by SWEEP.). They produced decent racehorses for their time periods but both of their genetic lines dried up in the 70’s and 80’s. 2 very neat mares if you ask me with that type of lineage top and bottom.

He does have a few direct descendants that are very successful sport horses (one being a broodmare approved by warmblood verbands who had a highly successful show career).

All in all; most of his direct descendants stayed in California or ended up in British Columbia, Louisiana, New Mexico, Texas, Arizona. I couldn’t find any registered ancestors that made it back to the east coast to race.

Supposedly there are a few direct descendants of him who are crossbred thoroughbreds so who knows where they ended up or if they produced anything as there is no pedigree tracking them at this point

I think its neat to track this sort of thing; just wish there were more still out there.

[Shammy_Davis]

Your passion is commendable.

[snaffle1987]

well thank you

[Foxtrot_s]

You are amazing!!!

My mare has sea biscuit in her two times:

Sea Garden 1947 and Sea Angel 1945.

Sea Angel’s line went on to produce Final Pool, who was a Grand Prix show jumper ridden by his amateur owner in World Cup Finals at Spruce against the likes of Ian Millar and Big Ben.

And no War Admiral.

Denny Emerson had one of these in the lines of one of his broodmares - Sea Garden, I think.

These mares had very few foals.

[Sandy_M]

I owned an Appy whose maternal greatgrandsire was Grog, by Hard Tack. I understand Grog was the “standin” that Seabiscuit’s trainer used to decoy clockers and keep the press away when he didn’t want Seabiscuit disturbed. My Appy’s registered name was Viking Grog.

[cmdrcltr]

I read somewhere that some quarter horses can be traced back to Sea Biscuit…

[poltroon]

OP, if you ever find yourself in Northern California, Seabiscuit’s ranch can be toured. The stallion barn has been restored and there is a dining hall full of Seabiscuit memorabilia.

The ranch is quite lovely and is now host to a therapeutic riding program as well as a farm school and other initiatives.

http://seabiscuitheritage.org

[EventerAJ]

[QUOTE=cmdrcltr;8830138]
I read somewhere that some quarter horses can be traced back to Sea Biscuit…[/QUOTE]

This is true. My appendix QH eventer (born 1993) traces back to Seabisbuit through Shawne Bug. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/if+i+had+a+rider

[snaffle1987]

I would say a lot of QH or appendix/crosses go back to him as a lot of his direct descendants I found are not race registered but have very QH-type names and were bred in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico.

Most of what is left of his direct lineage is either racing at the very bottom of the totem pole, have gone unraced, or are crossbreds. Seabiscuit himself was a handsome horse who would’ve suited QH breeders well, he looked great in western tack and it is no surprised to me that his direct descendants are good sport horses.

[snaffle1987]

interesting side note steering off EventerAJ’s post

THe horse Spotted Shawne Bull (QH), Broadway Bus (QH), Spotted Shawn Bug (QH) are all double seabiscuit as they have SHawne both top and bottom in their pedigrees and have quite a few recent offspring!!

[BansheeBreeze]

Well this was a neat thing to stumble across while continuing to track my horse’s relatives…who happen to all be at the very top of your list! I own Smart Little Habit I am a huge fan of Seabiscuit and happened to be reading the book when I got my horse. His nickname is Pops like Red called Seabiscuit (I guess it was in my head from reading the book and it just stuck, I didn’t learn until a few years later that he was a descendant). He’s the same height as Seabiscuit and is far and away the most intelligent horse I have ever known. I know Seabiscuit is waaaaaay back in his pedigree but I still like to think there’s a little bit of influence in there

Imapistol has not run since May and Kat’s Quick Draw ended his career last fall with a chip in his knee. They have two half brothers that carry on the Seabiscuit line: Navajo Pistol, a 3 year old who just won at Zia Park a couple weeks ago, and an unraced 2 year old named Reining Pistol, who seems to be her last foal. Tietjen, my horse’s full brother, unfortunately broke down in his last race and was euthanized. He, Smart Little Habit and Busy Little Pistol were the only 3 foals from Busy Habit.

The reason I was inspired to do more research tonight is because I’m putting together a letter and photos to send to the man who bred and owned/owns the whole family. I want to let him know if he ever decides to sell any of these relatives to let me know and am hoping he might have some pictures of the family to share.

I obviously have a ton of photos of my horse and I also have quite a few of the rest of the family. I have a photo of Sea Gold, the daughter of Seabiscuit that the family descends from I’d love to share pictures and maybe help you acquire one of these guys when you’re ready!

[snaffle1987]

BansheeBreeze;

that is great! Glad you stumbled across this post. It seems as though there is quite a bit of Seabiscuit influence in the Quarter Horse World and his line has produced some very handsome reining horses (which is no surprise because Seabiscuit was a tidy looking horse who looked great in western tack).

Please share some photos on this thread or feel free to send them via PM!

It seems as though the Seabiscuit line on the track is dwindling but I do hope that his thoroughbred lineage goes forward through some mares that are still left.

[gotpaints]

It’s always fun to see how the lines from decades ago are doing when they aren’t the “big” ones that you can easily see survived. Especially when the stallion didn’t have many foals. Thanks for this post!

[Lasuzab]

I have recently acquired a grey mare when it was abandoned on my property. She was so thin and seemed sad. She has a tattoo that indicates her name is Pure Summer. I was hoping she was related to Sea Biscuit but I couldnt find a link. I saw she has Seattle Slew, War Admiral, Bold Ruler and Man O War in her bloodline but never saw the Biscuit but I am a baby when it comes to this subject and was wondering if anyone had a better way of searching. Thanks

[snaffle1987]

@Lasuzab

I have recently acquired a grey mare when it was abandoned on my property. She was so thin and seemed sad. She has a tattoo that indicates her name is Pure Summer. I was hoping she was related to Sea Biscuit but I couldnt find a link. I saw she has Seattle Slew, War Admiral, Bold Ruler and Man O War in her bloodline but never saw the Biscuit but I am a baby when it comes to this subject and was wondering if anyone had a better way of searching. Thanks

here is here pedigree

http://www.pedigreequery.com/pure+summer

She is a California Bred by David and Billie Farr. She had no starts on the track. No Seabiscuit in her pedigree but War Admiral does appear quite a few times but very far back

there are very few pedigreed TB’s left with Seabiscuit in their pedigree

[merrygoround]

Snaffle you weren’t really looking for Seabiscuit’s ancestors to be running lately. I more suspect you were looking for progeny.

However you have done an amazing amount of creditable research.

I congratulate you . He ran in an era of interesting people and horses.