Selevit Injectable

[Angela_Freda]

@anon6923113

she’s not wrong that there are way too many situations where unsound horses are out there competing for one

Facts.

[2bayboys]

No she is not the owner. She is Somebody With Opinions.

[Angela_Freda]

Thanks, I’m not keeping up so am easily confused, but this situation is quite upsetting no matter how you slice it.
Appreciate it

[SlamDunk]

The owner and the trainer do comment on her post though

[anon6923113]

Yup. She clearly has had direct dialogue with KC and Rudy Leone.

As I said earlier… Kristin is outspoken and colorful. I can understand if some people are put off by her style or don’t feel it’s appropriate for someone to just spout their opinion when a situation like this happens. But, I think her comments regarding the thought that unsound horses should not compete? That’s hard to argue with.

[horsegurl]

@anon6923113
The commentary about lame horses was not directed at the Chromatic team or situation. It was something that happened in L.A. at a show.

@Angela_Freda
Kristin is an outspoken trainer in Calif., not connected to Chromatic other than with her opinions, and some how having earned additional commentary on this thread. 'Cause…you know…COTHForums!!

[Demerara_Stables]

@anon6923113

I think her comments regarding the thought that unsound horses should not compete? That’s hard to argue with.

In the context of the story she told (horse lame at the trot in warm up, rider just picked up the canter and jumped anyway), yes. However, in the context of an older schoolmaster who loves his job, needs maintenance, and is sound with said maintenance, those horses are absolutely invaluable to inexperienced riders. I don’t think we should shame people that provide injections/Adequan/chiro/arnica/whatever into not riding their horses, again (because this is COTH), if the therapies are able to keep the horse sound for his job.

[anon6923113]

@horsegurl

@Virginia_Horse_Mom
The commentary about lame horses was not directed at the Chromatic team or situation. It was something that happened in L.A. at a show

Did you watch that whole video until the end? She tied the two situations together. Talked about both

And… she posted another video recently talking more about soundness and showing.

She’s pretty blunt about her perspective.

[anon6923113]

Ok. Wasn’t aware of a defamation lawsuit. Care to link the legal complaint you are referring to, assuming there is a public filing? She’s been outspoken on a number of topics… but SafeSport bans also come to mind.

ETA- never mind. It’s about the EHV outbreak and Sami Milo.

[EmilyM]

@enjoytheride

This statement, and anyone being concerned about the number of injections this horse received being called “pearl clutchers” says all we need to hear about how this level of the sport views the rest of the world

I called it pearl clutching to not believe that horses need anti inflammatory intervention at this level

Imagine you fly to the Middle East to participate in a series of marathons. After the first marathon you may bathe, ice your legs and wrap your calves. Then you are confined to a bed that is a bunch of shavings on top of cement. Maybe someone will come bring you dinner in bed and some bon bons as treats but you can’t really move until the next morning. Then you can stretch a little. Then it’s back to the bed. Then in the afternoon you run another marathon. Afterwards, same protocol, bath, ice wrap calves back to bed. Then day three you do it all again. No one has given you any anti-inflammatory help. Your diet has been turned upside down because you eat the food available there except for your protein bars or shakes which you can travel with (grain). You can only move around a little bit between marathons otherwise you are confined to a bed. How do you think you would feel after three days of marathons? Oh and when you are done you take a plane home where you have to balance yourself to remain upright and are confined to a space smaller than a bed. How do you feel when it’s over? I have empathy for these horses being asked to compete at this level, and the least they deserve is a little anti inflammatory support. In the marathon example perhaps you do it for your own glory. These horses do it because we ask them.

[anon6923113]

@Demerara_Stables

In the context of the story she told (horse lame at the trot in warm up, rider just picked up the canter and jumped anyway), yes. However, in the context of an older schoolmaster who loves his job, needs maintenance, and is sound with said maintenance, those horses are absolutely invaluable to inexperienced riders. I don’t think we should shame people that provide injections/Adequan/chiro/arnica/whatever into not riding their horses, again (because this is COTH), if the therapies are able to keep the horse sound for his job.

Yes, you mentioned you have an older schoolmaster who gets extensive maintenance, but is happy doing its job, and you love riding it. And that’s fine. Good for you.

But forgive me if I missed it… but I don’t think Kristin posted on a public platform shaming you for continuing to ride your schoolmaster?

[Demerara_Stables]

@anon6923113

Yes, you mentioned you have an older schoolmaster who gets extensive maintenance, but is happy doing its job, and you love riding it. And that’s fine. Good for you.

But forgive me if I missed it… but I don’t think Kristin posted on a public platform shaming you for continuing to ride your schoolmaster?

Not sure why my horse is being brought into this. I’m talking about the thousands of schoolmasters being shown every weekend that are on maintenance.

[enjoytheride]

And because her opinions are loud they must be true, right???

[anon6923113]

@Demerara_Stables

Not sure why my horse is being brought into this. I’m talking about the thousands of schoolmasters being shown every weekend that are on maintenance.

Well… for context… earlier you said this, so I just assumed you were referring to your own horse…

@Demerara_Stables

My 21 year old horse who has had proper turnout and training her entire life and gets significantly sounder and more comfortable in her body with less muscle tightness when she gets: bi annual Adequan, yearly PRP in her stifles, monthly massage/acupuncture/chiro, and daily back on track blankets and laser would heartily disagree with you. And lest you say that I have no idea what things are working and what things aren’t, each of these therapies has been added to her routine individually over years and each has contributed to a vast improvement in her body. The horse loves to work and loves to jump, so I’m going to continue to help keep her sound enough to do those things, as will everyone else with an older horse that requires maintenance. No, we shouldn’t be injecting hocks of 5 year olds, but modern medicine and therapies exist to keep our partners comfortable and happy and we should use them.

[NaturallyHappy]

@enjoytheride

And because her opinions are loud they must be true, right???

This is true about so very many….

[Demerara_Stables]

@anon6923113

earlier you said this,

Here’s a tip: just because someone mentioned something days ago doesn’t mean that’s all they’re talking about forever.

Also, if you had read closely, mine is a she, and when I was talking about unsound horses I said he.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand…

[SlamDunk]

I mean ya…she’s outright saying the owner is lying about not being informed about the treatment by the vet. And I guess indirectly saying the horse wasn’t sound?

[Djones]

@Demerara_Stables

The horse loves to work and loves to jump, so I’m going to continue to help keep her sound enough to do those things, as will everyone else with an older horse that requires maintenance.

Man, the idea of “keeping the horse ‘sound enough’ so the 21 year old can continue to work (corrected from show) and jump” just, I don’t know, sounds really “off” to my ear.

‘Sound enough’ sounds uncomfortable but really willing to put up with what’s being asked of me. I have a 21 year old in the barn, too. Two of them. Both pretty high mileage horses and they get squat to keep them sound enough. They are just sound.

Granted, I’m not shipping either of them around the world to hurdle huge fences. But I’m pretty sure you’re not either.

[Demerara_Stables]

You’re right, I’m not. I’m also not jumping bigger than .70m, or showing her. I also spend 4 days a week on flatwork and walking to keep her fit.

I’ve ridden lots of horses (aside from mine) that need the maintenance, and when they get it, they light up when they see the jumps or go to the show. They are regularly evaluated, and treated when necessary, by vets and body workers to ensure they are sound and comfortable. Maybe people that are arguing against this model simply haven’t met horses like that. 🤷

Regarding “sound enough,” that means sound. Period. If my horse (or anyone else’s) wasn’t sound, she wouldn’t be getting worked until she was.

[Djones]

It’s sorta one or the other. You described a slew of interventions and treatments. She’s 21 years old. In my experience (and I promise you, l’ve ridden, owned, shown, trained and managed loads of horses) there’s a line between maintenance and quality care of an aged - but sound - horse and managing a moderately unsound horse by patching them together and wishing they were still young horses.

The horse being happy doesn’t mean they are sound. Again, it just struck this horseman’s ear as justifying working a horse that’s not sound by doing enough to “get them sound.”

I guess I’d like to see this “sound horse jumping” - until then…it struck me as I described above.