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[Angela_Freda]

Excellent analogy

[Angela_Freda]

@Demerara_Stables

the “team” in Riyadh was KC, Pepe, Jill, and Rudy. None of those people were going to not tell KC that the horse was getting meds when she specifically said not to give him meds unless they cleared it with her. Pepe even called her to tell her

I’m dying to know what happened after Pepe called her.
What happened in that barn, and on her end.

I can’t imagine how he feels.

[Annie10]

@Rel6

But this contract is from 2020, and owners are signing what is a legally binding document granting that permission to USEF.

Maybe it’s my lawyer paranoia shining through, but I am shocked USEF was able to get the owners of such valuable animals to sign this in the first place.

Right? I don’t have anything close to a 6 figure horse but I would never sign that team or no team.
I wouldn’t sign that for my dog

[Aussie_2020]

When you’re in the league of these owners, riders, etc I think you have a better understanding of the contract. I believe the owner was confident she would be consulted before and about medications. For online quarterbacks to say they wouldn’t sign such an agreement… riiiigggghhhhtttt. Bye-bye then, take your horsie and exit from the world stage. So all the breeding, training, and competing to this point is for naught.

[Ghazzu]

@Aussie_2020

For online quarterbacks to say they wouldn’t sign such an agreement…

I used to say I wouldn’t sell my horse Tiger for a million bucks.
It was a safe statement–no one was going to offer me same.

[Mardi1]

@Aussie_2020

Bye-bye then, take your horsie and exit from the world stage. So all the breeding, training, and competing to this point is for naught.

For a breeder, it’s never for naught.

[Annie10]

She may have been “confident” of that but that’s not what she signed. That confidence didn’t hold up so well

[Angela_Freda]

@Annie10

She may have been “confident” of that but that’s not what she signed. That confidence didn’t hold up so well

Re bold, How do you know?

[Aussie_2020]

I know! I used to tell one of my horses that if anyone offered me 10 bucks for him, he’d be in their trailer before the ink dried.

[Annie10]

Because she wasn’t consulted about Jack as per the agreement she signed that was posted up thread and her horse is dead . Or did you miss that part

@Angela_Freda

@Annie10

She may have been “confident” of that but that’s not what she signed. That confidence didn’t hold up so well

Re bold, How do you know?

[Angela_Freda]

@Annie10

Because she wasn’t consulted about Jack as per the agreement she signed that was posted up thread and her horse is dead . Or did you miss that part

I didn’t miss that the horse is dead.
I still haven’t heard what happened between the time Pepe called her to say they wanted the horse to see the vet, and the horse arrived at the xties, collapsed, seized, and died.

I’m not willing to assume anything about the contract, consultation, or the events leading up to his collapse.

[Midge]

@Ghazzu

@Aussie_2020

For online quarterbacks to say they wouldn’t sign such an agreement…

I used to say I wouldn’t sell my horse Tiger for a million bucks.
It was a safe statement–no one was going to offer me same.

I had one I used to say,
“Free to a good home. I’ll pay you to take her to a bad one!”

[Rel6]

If I were an owner with one of my first horses at this level I can absolutely understand signing.

Where I start to lose understanding is when you have owners who are regularly sponsoring horses at this level (thinking of McLain’s owners, Beezie’s owners, etc) who actually have the power and leverage to negotiate these types of contracts.

That is why I am surprised a lot of this language has lasted into present day.

ETA: To be very clear, I don’t blame any owner for signing, and I’m not trying to shift the responsibility for anything that happened into anyone who signed the agreement. I’m just expressing surprise that owner pushback didn’t cause some of these provisions to go away before now.

[nutmeg]

It is also ironic that the World Cup Final is the least “teamy” of the big championships. It is every man/woman for themself, not a national team score. Y’all might be stabled together but no other US rider’s result hangs off the effort of anyone else’s horse. So it is even less obvious that care & custody has to be bestowed on the USET.

[Libby2563]

@Rel6

I’m just expressing surprise that owner pushback didn’t cause some of these provisions to go away before now.

I would guess two things:

1. A lot of people, even pretty savvy people, don’t read contracts all that closely. Especially if told this is the same contract that every other savvy person whose horse has represented the team has signed already.

2. There may have been informal verbal assurances that the vet provision was intended for emergencies, during which it would not be unreasonable for the vet/team to want to provide treatment without delay.

Between those two things and the fact that this hasn’t happened before (as far as I know), I’m not that surprised there hasn’t been pushback.

[enjoytheride]

It was mentioned earlier that the “call owner first” courtesy has been extended to bigger name owners who had more clout and this owner assumed the same courtesy would be extended to her when she signed the contract.

[Midge]

I’m not sure that was stated as a fact. I think it was a supposition. Mainly because Lee McKeever would have just ignored them.

[fivestrideline]

@Midge is correct - that conversation was all theoretical, assuming Lee would’ve told them to kick rocks until the owner said otherwise.

It would be clarifying if we were told the other two horses treated the same as Chromatic. I doubt that will happen unless it comes up in a lawsuit.

[MHM]

@Rel6

If I were an owner with one of my first horses at this level I can absolutely understand signing.

Where I start to lose understanding is when you have owners who are regularly sponsoring horses at this level (thinking of McLain’s owners, Beezie’s owners, etc) who actually have the power and leverage to negotiate these types of contracts.

That is why I am surprised a lot of this language has lasted into present day.

Now that you say that, we don’t know what anybody else’s contract looks like. We’ve only heard about the one for Chromatic from his owner.

Strictly supposition, but maybe some other owners take a big red pen and cross out the parts they don’t like before they sign it.

[Demerara_Stables]

Let’s not forget, KC said in her first statement that she was already working with USEF to alter the contract. Frankly I’m surprised they got to it that quickly after Chromatic died - maybe she had already expressed her frustration when she signed it and they told her she had no choice?