Selevit Injectable

[kenyarider]

So you are saying that even though the horse had been at the event for several days, the vet had not administered anything? That seems very odd.

[jvanrens]

@kenyarider

So you are saying that even though the horse had been at the event for several days, the vet had not administered anything? That seems very odd.

I believe she was responding to your comment:

@kenyarider

I’m not saying that the vet was right or wrong to give the injection, but one missing piece is how many times in the past that horse had had the injection WITHOUT adverse side effects.

To which @enjoytheride responded:

@enjoytheride

This was already been answered in previous posts and on the owner’s FB page. The answer is never.

Meaning AFAICR that the horse had never received that special blend.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

@FromTheGalaxy

This article was just shared by Branscomb Farm Facebook page. Provides some clarity on exactly what was given to Chromatic immediately prior to his collapse, and some updates on USEF’s stance on the death.

Nancy Jaffer - Equestrian Sports – 5 Jul 24

A new look at the loss of show jumper Chromatic BF - Nancy Jaffer -…

The sudden death of Chromatic BF after a competition at the FEI World Cup Show Jumping Final in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, last spring will never be forgotten by the horse’s owner/breeder, Kc Branscomb, who is determined to ensure nothing like that…

Est. reading time: 6 minutes

Thanks for sharing.

It does provide some more clarity. It looks like he was given all these meds right before his death.

But… I didn’t see specifics as to HOW they were administered. Were they given via multiple injections… some IM and some IV? Or were multiple meds mixed together and given via one IV injection? That just seems strange to me.

What does seem very clear is that anaphylaxis was VERY likely the cause of death. I’m curious about the Traumeel and Arnica, and whether or not they were given via IV injections as well, and what the anaphylactic risks are.

I think the unspoken question at this point still has to do with team management, and what role they played in decision making on this particular medication plan for “recovery”.

[enjoytheride]

You asked how many times the horse had the injection that killed it without a reaction. I answered that question. The horse has never had that injection.

[Angela_Freda]

@kenyarider

Any medicine you give a horse or a human can have side effects folks. Thanks Cap’n Obvious I’m not saying that the vet was right or wrong to give the injection, but one missing piece is how many times in the past that horse had had the injection WITHOUT adverse side effects. Knowing that piece of information would be helpful. Explain how that would be helpful

"He mentioned the horse was not brought to the veterinarian who injected him because of a problem, but rather received “these compounds that were supposed to help him recover or whatever the notion is there for the use of those.

“Two of them had label warnings that it could produce anaphylaxis."

Just because an administration of a drug has never caused anaphylaxis does not mean it will not. The fact that the drugs to deal with anaphylaxis were not with the horse after the administration of drugs with warnings about anaphylaxis is just beyond the pale.
There’s no way around that, “folks”.

[skydy]

I am disgusted by the fact that USEF tried to obfuscate the horse’s cause of death. That was an incredibly stupid and irresponsible thing to do (as was the injection given by the vet.) Was no one making decisions at USEF taught by their parents to face up to their mistakes and not try to lie their way out of it?

They’re supposed to be responsible adults managing an entity that is responsible for Equestrian sport in the U.S. our National Federation.

That they would shuffle and lie like a kid caught taking a cookie from a cookie jar just boggles the mind. It’s an absolute embarrassment for equestrian sport in the U.S.

[Mardi1]

@FromTheGalaxy

This article was just shared by Branscomb Farm Facebook page. Provides some clarity on exactly what was given to Chromatic immediately prior to his collapse, and some updates on USEF’s stance on the death.

Excellent article. Dr. Madigan (UCDavis) really straightens it out.

" 'Madigan observed, “if you’re using drugs that have on the label that it can produce anaphylaxis, you better be prepared with epinephrine and corticosteroids, IV fluids etc. or don’t do it. Then you’d have to say, `is it worth the risk to help enhance the recovery?’ ”

As he sees it, “Sports medicine went from treating sports-related injuries and things like that to trying to optimize performance of the equine athlete. But that shouldn’t really include the use of medications that produce at-risk.”

[Ghazzu]

@kenyarider

Any medicine you give a horse or a human can have side effects folks.

All the more reason to not administer parenteral drugs unless medically indicated.
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I’m not saying that the vet was right or wrong to give the injection, but one missing piece is how many times in the past that horse had had the injection WITHOUT adverse side effects. Knowing that piece of information would be helpful.

Since the horse wasn’t dead, it likely hadn’t previously developed anaphylaxis from the listed medications.
That’s irrelevant in this case.
Anaphylaxis can happen without previous indication.
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I had never had a reaction to clindamycin until I did.

[Virginia_Horse_Mom]

Is there any reason to think the combination of the various medications all at once created a higher risk for an anaphylactic reaction?

Essentially… if it was just selevit alone, maybe he wouldn’t have had the reaction. But the selevit, plus IV Legend, plus Traumeel and Arnica and Adequan… that actually impacted how his body reacted to the selevit, and the horse DID have a catastrophic reaction?

I hope my question makes sense. I’m just trying to understand if something about the situation here amplified the risks of anaphylactic shock.

[CBoylen]

Unfortunately, legally it can’t be addressed any other way. Their lawyers would quit and their insurance would drop them. You absolutely cannot admit liability.

[skydy]

However, they don’t have to lie and say the cause of death was something that it wasn’t.
Especially when it would be fairly easily disproved in this case by Veterinary testimony.

Changing the owner contracts immediately after this incident could also be taken as an admission that there was something that needed correcting.

[kenyarider]

For Pete’s sake. What I meant was if the horse had regularly been getting that by the FEI vets, and all medicines can cause adverse reactions, knowing whether the horse had been previously treated with those medicines without a reaction would be helpful. Geez Louise people, take a breath.

[enjoytheride]

You’ve been answered several times. This was the first (and last) time this horse received selveit.

[Incantation]

He could have had it a dozen times and then had a reaction on the 13th dose. It does not matter if he was having it for the first time or the 50th.

[Ghazzu]

@Incantation

It does not matter if he was having it for the first time or the 50th.

It does matter if it was being given for no discernible therapeutic purpose.

[Angela_Freda]

@kenyarider

knowing whether the horse had been previously treated with those medicines without a reaction would be helpful.

How would it be helpful?

[jvanrens]

@kenyarider

For Pete’s sake. What I meant was if the horse had regularly been getting that by the FEI vets, and all medicines can cause adverse reactions, knowing whether the horse had been previously treated with those medicines without a reaction would be helpful. Geez Louise people, take a breath.

After reading a lot of the owner/breeder’s comments, the horse was not getting getting this kind of treatment by anyone, hence her anger. Take a breath and follow along.

[Incantation]

I was clarifying that having had it in the past does not mean he would not have a reaction to the next dose.

It is crazy that it is being used to enhance performance.

[Ghazzu]

@Incantation

It is crazy that it is being used to enhance performance.

It is.

[Sticky_Situation]

Hose drops dead immediately after being injected, without the owner’s permission, with a completely non-evidence-based concoction of substances known to cause anaphylaxis in order to “promote recovery” and they try to claim it was due to EIPH from his round hours before … it’s really unbelievable.

Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should. A decent amount of what passes for “sports medicine” in horses is really just voodoo anyway.