Do you not give bute or banamine ever after a horse shows? Do you take Tylenol/advil/aleve yourself after a show day?
It’s definitely not asinine.
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It might decrease the likelihood.
I’m not sure why the stuff elicits such a pronounced reaction (given at the correct dose.)
If I or my horse are sore or have an injury, sure I’ll use some oral NSAIDs. Routinely just because I/they did a competition? Nope.
And I don’t give anything IV for minor musculoskeletal pain, and definitely not for “recovery” in an asymptomatic horse. Particularly not anything that is known to cause anaphylaxis when I don’t have resuscitation stuff available.
I stand by my original statement.
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I guess it might at least give you time to recognize that the horse is having a reaction when only a small amount has been given rather than the whole dose. But it still is certainly not a risk I’d want to take with my horses for some vague, unproven benefit!
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Yes.
The package insert for E-Se, the product I am familiar with, stresses that IV injection must be given slowly, and further observes that, if given IM, anaphylactoid reactions are slower in onset and allow more time to institute appropriate treatment.
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There’s an ongoing discussion on the Dressage forum
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The tribute to the horse’s groom had my eyes a little wet. The owner truly seems like a good person.
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I just lost it when I read “he was searching for Pepe’s strong hands”.
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What I find very eye opening is that the owner does not appear to have the same frequent medication protocol that some are saying is business as usual on the FEI level.
"I think they are attempting to deflect attention away from the massive injection of pharmaceuticals my obviously healthy horse received 3-4 minutes before he had a violent seizure and died quickly…
I believe firmly Chromatic BF was killed by a shock reaction to the IV injection of unnecessary and risky medication, done without anyone on my team’s knowledge, while under full custodial control of the USEF more than 90 minutes after my horse performed perfectly and returned healthy and fit to the stables with his lifetime groom. That is my truth and I stand by it."
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Not only is she the owner, but the breeder as well.
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Same. Poor Pepe. This is all such bulls**t.
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She doesn’t. It isn’t a big time jumper barn as in they don’t have ton of FEI horses, in fact Chromatic may have been their only one. They have many, many super talented young horses coming up the ranks but not many at this level. Additionally, the program doesn’t rely on drugs to keep the horses going - they are developed thoughtfully, correctly, and with a strong emphasis on turnout and keeping their minds sound just like their bodies are.
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Purely by coincidence, I did the farm tour at WinStar that very day. And no one there said anything about it, and nobody on the tour knew it had happened.
Then I went to my next farm tour stop that day, and it was a huge topic of discussion there among the staff at that place. And I said to them, “When did this happen?!? I was just at that farm not two hours ago.”
Apparently the news had just come out over Twitter or something between the time I left WinStar and the time I got to the other farm. That was crazy.
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All I know is that I would now never allow a horse of mine to be on a team. I do not trust USEF to have the best intentions when it comes to the health of my (or any single) horse. Shame on them.
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Absolutely.
Thread drift and all, but let’s try to keep the focus on what happened here, not the potential or lack of benefits of Adequan.
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I’m going to drop a quote from a responder on the horse owner’s FB page (appearing to me to blame the owner/breeder) , link to thread with the quote below.
"’m saying that NO ONE tried to kill her champion
Everyone loved him and was trying to keep him comfortable and happy and able to pass the jogs which often he did not
The vet on the case at home would have been heralded a Genius! And almost was
Let’s just say if he had won , legal meds and support on board - would we be having the same conversation?
 And really think about that !!!
because if it was
TRULY about the medication’s and truly about her not knowing what was going on, would still be having the same conversation???
Can you picture that? because I am and sorry I cannot picture that
I picture a completely different case scenario had he survived - one where the concoctions used to keep him comfortable are then widely held up and advertised some type of legal isoxsuprine , vascular dilators
I can tell you firsthand that she knew the risks of taking him and the condition he was in, and that he may return unable to ever compete again she was willing to put his physical life and future on the line
Who’s to blame? -not a veterinarian who took the hippocratic oath , and was following instructions
And not the organization not The Horse. He didn’t drive himself to the airport, loaded himself up and put himself on the plane
So my question all along is why is there so much blame and finger pointing ?? ANYTIME a horse gets a shot they can suffer anaphylactic
Everyone knew the risks. One person is pointing blame because it didn’t go the way she wanted it to go.
And he did not come home"
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/EQzu7ANYhaBjpN9t/?mibextid=oFDknk
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I saw that comment.
I have always had lot of respect for her.
Don’t know what to make of it.
But… I still come back to selevit being given off label and injected IV, and anaphylactic shock risks… and USEF’s initial reported comments about EIPH… and it’s all baffling.
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I understand where you are coming from.
The mention of some sort of legal isoxsuprine is noteworthy… I have no idea if the horse had been receiving anything like that or not… but if it had… then it definitely complicates the entire situation.
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We old vets remember the deaths caused by E-Se injection given IV back in the 1980s. If given, our protocol was to give it deep IM split in 2 or 3 sites to avoid soreness. Better off to feed it daily. So we do not trust nutrition anymore? Then why all the supplements?
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Amen!
Preach!
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