Setting the Record straight on EVA!

Inasmuch as we have received more than a handful of inquiries about managing a mare for breeding to an EVA positive stallion and as many of those queries are directly related to some blatant misinformation perpetuated by Gray Fox Farm, I believe it is important to publicly set the record straight on a few points:

Of significant note and importance, it must be made clear that NOT vaccinating a mare prior to breeding to an EVA positive stallion is irresponsible, REGARDLESS of what you may have been told by Jill Burnell. Furthemore, Dr. Timoney has NOT stated that Redwine has a “mild form” of the disease, nor has he stated that he (Dr. Timoney) believes that the stallion will eventually cease shedding the virus. When asked by us for clarification of his alleged comments, Dr. Timoney responded: “On the matter of the quotes attributed to me by a particular breeder [Jill Burnell] who has an ‘EVA shedding stallion’ in her care, I can categorically refute ever stating to her that ‘there is a really good chance her stallion will clear the virus and be negative at some point’. It is very possible that in conversation with this individual, I would have advised regular re-checking semen of the stallion for evidence of continued persistence of the virus and that there is the chance that the animal may spontaneously clear the virus from its reproductive tract at some point. Furthermore, the quote ‘Dr. Timoney thinks he has an extremely mild form of the virus’ is not what I would have stated under any circumstances. Clearly, this person would appear to be intent on downplaying the significance of the carrier state in her stallion. Every effort should be made to correct any misinformation such as the foregoing in situations where particular breeders are mindless of the potential consequences of what they say or post. On the matter of vaccinating seronegative mares prior to breeding with infective semen, there should be no question over the value of this precautionary measure. That point needs to be emphasized and re-emphasized for those less well informed about the possible consequences of infection with EAV.”

NOT vaccinating your mare prior to breeding to an EVA positive stallion presents some real risks, even if you have NO other horses on the property and are relatively isolated. Specifically, if you do NOT vaccinate your mare and you breed to a shedding stallion, your mare has been exposed to an active virus and is very likely to contract the disease. She will then be - for a subsequent period of up to three weeks - capable of passing that virus on to other animals, including pregnant mares AND breeding stallions. So, even if you feel that there is absolutely NO risk of your mare being exposed to any animals, what happens if your mare injures herself or colics and must go into a clinic? In taking the mare to the clinic, you are going to expose ALL of the animals at the clinic to the virus. Will you disclose that your mare has NOT been vaccinated and has been exposed to the active virus? Alternatively, what happens if your mare gets out and decides to go visit the neighbors animals (or the neighbor’s animals escape and visit her)? Are you going to disclose that you have just exposed all of their animals to an active case of the disease and viral presence? And, what if she decides to sidle up next to their breeding stallion for a “chat”? If that happens, there is a very distinct risk that their stallion will become infected and a “shedder stallion” himself. Remember that although the virus can be transmitted in semen, the disease is primarily respiratory in nature and consequently an infected mare can transmit through aerosol droplets. NOT vaccinating stock is irresponsible and is, in large part, why this disease continues to be a problem within the USA. Indeed, unintentionally encountered scenarios such as I have described above are part of how the Quarter Horse and Tennessee Walking Horse industry had issues with it in the recent past.

Because of the CEM outbreak in the U.S. a few years back, the shipping of semen between the U.S. and Canada has become more difficult and problematic. We hope that in the not too distant future, the border will re-open with regards to shipping of equine semen and we would rather not see those problems compounded because of EVA.

For more information on the disease including an article we wrote with Dr. Timoney on EVA, please go to these articles: http://www.equine-reproduction.com/articles/EVA.shtml and http://www.equine-reproduction.com/articles/EVA/index.shtml

ouch! hate that you have to be the one to spell it out in plain english.

yuck

Tamara

Good information as always! I will say that I got the same low positive speech from Jill but she did ship me a dose of the vaccine free of charge. I did my best to quarantine her after vaccination and after breeding but it was a tense time and I was glad when it was over without incident. It was you that walked me through it to the point I felt like I could handle it without putting anyone else’s horse at risk and for that I am grateful.

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ouch! hate that you have to be the one to spell it out in plain english.

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Tamara[/QUOTE]

Yeah Tamara, I wasn’t “thrilled” with it either. But, I really respect Dr. Timoney and hated seeing him falsely used to bolster her argument. I’m REALLY concerned that there are too many mare owners that listen to the information, as well. And while I’m THRILLED that mare owners are questioning the information put forth, I’m less than ecstatic that she continues to put it out there at all. I also have NO doubt that there are more than a few that don’t question what she is saying :(. Enough already! Can ya tell it’s well into breeding season and I’m getting a bit cranky? ;).

KATHY - - THANK YOU!!!

Where is the applaud button?? We need such a thing on this site!

So many people have been suckered into that horrible misinformation. Long and short - - EVA is a highly transmissable equine disease and proper precautions need to be taken surrounding breeding horses with EVA.

Thank you

Thank you

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Thank you

I also wish to thank you Kathy. I hope you have captured the attention of anyone thinking “otherwise”.

Thanks for the info Kathy. I think highly of Dr Timoney and luv Clan Timoney in general

Is there any reason to vaccinate non breeding mares or geldings?I am guessing no but thought I would ask so your answer can be part of this discussion.

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I also wish to thank you Kathy. I hope you have captured the attention of anyone thinking “otherwise”.[/QUOTE]

yep I already told her, sometimes you gotta be the adult and it’s just your turn…being honest sucks most of the time just remember that :wink:

Tamara

being honest sucks most of the time just remember that

every day of my life sister…every day - manager, mother, director, vet and wife :wink:

Thank you Kathy,as always, for so generously sharing your knowledge and expertise with others.

You and Jos have been a tremendous resource - our ‘Go To’ person for any and all questions pertaining to equine reproduction.
Straight talk, clear information, backed up by experience and research.
It is clear to me that it is not just a vocation with you but an avocation.
Thanks again.

On a side note: is there any indication that the CEM restrictions will be lifted?

Congrats to Jill Burnell. I didn’t think it possible, but this is a whole new kind of low. :mad::confused:

Yeah but I’m just a low positive carrier of herpes, so no need for those condoms. You probably won’t catch it… Nope, I wouldn’t buy that BS, so why do people buy this??

This is absolutely beyond irresponsible as a stallion owner, but in this case, it doesn’t surprise me.

Laurierace this link describes which horses should be vaccinated and what protocol to follow quite well.
http://www.aaep.org/eva.htm

I remember being directed to Jill’s EVA misinformation a while back. For those that don’t believe truth is indeed stranger than fiction…here are Jill’s direct quotes regarding EVA on another public bulletin board:

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/rosalies-gold-sally-b-wheeler-class-updated-429479-6.html#post6072898

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/rosalies-gold-sally-b-wheeler-class-updated-429479-6.html#post6072912

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/rosalies-gold-sally-b-wheeler-class-updated-429479-6.html#post6072917

Is there any danger that her other stallions could be exposed? I know very little about EVA, and hope to never need to be an expert!

Yeah for Kathy! It needed to be said!

Another concern that maybe should be mentioned is the risk to a foal at side if the unvaccinated dam is bred with EVA positive semen. As Kathy and I have discussed before, the chances are pretty high that the foal will come into contact with post insemination vaginal secretions from the mare, and be at risk of developing a full blown case of respiratory EVA.

And I am really a bit :confused: about the vets these unsuspecting mare owners are using, that will breed unvaccinated mares with EVA positive semen. Or aren’t they being told the semen is positive? :sigh:

It’s getting to the point where every mare owner should implement vaccination against EVA just to be safe. Reputable stallion owners always vaccinate and/or notify mare owners of EVA status.

The concern comes from the disreputable stallion owners (and mare owners! it’s takes 2 to tango) who do not disclose the EVA status of their horse. Although, according to the information I have, EAV/EVA needs testosterone to be harbored, so it can only be harbored in stallions, but mare owners who have done a recent vaccination within the 21 days should be (a) not sending their mares to a stallion or breeding facility for covering/insemination, and (b) should be notifying the stallion owner/repro vet/technician of her recent vaccinated status and clearance from the 21 day isolation period.

Canada not only strictly restricts very specific diseases, but also requires only specific named labs within each country of origin who are eligible to perform testing. They also require specific procedures that must be followed and lay it out in detail.

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Is there any reason to vaccinate non breeding mares or geldings?I am guessing no but thought I would ask so your answer can be part of this discussion.[/QUOTE]

EVA is a respiratory disease so there are always risks, but pretty low overall, if you aren’t going to shows, etc. Personally, we vaccinate all the mares/fillies when they have no foals on them and aren’t pregnant as a precautionary thing. And all colts that we think we “might” keep as stallion prospects, get vaccinated before their first birthday.

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On a side note: is there any indication that the CEM restrictions will be lifted?[/QUOTE]

Not that we’ve heard yet :(.

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Is there any danger that her other stallions could be exposed? I know very little about EVA, and hope to never need to be an expert![/QUOTE]

There is ALWAYS a risk, depending on how the stallions are managed. It is interesting to note that the CEM outbreak that occurred was due to stallions coming into contact with something that had been contaminated by the carrier stallion. The farm used disposable liners, etc., and it is thought that the cross contamination occurred either from the stallions coming in contact with the breeding mount, or possibly in the “handling” process somewhere. And the originating farm was VERY good, reputable and practiced good technique. In other words, not a amateur operation.