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Setting the record straight

Sport Horse Breeding
#1

I believe I have to respond to certain accusations posted on this public bulletin board against me with regards to a mare owner not being able to obtain breeding certificates for future foals.

I have helped a certain individual over the years with lessons, advice, tremendous amount of manual labor. I have given this individual access to my stallion for years. I have trained, showed, advertised and sold this individual’s horses for no upfront cost to this individual - making this individual tens of thousands of dollars. What I got in “return” is something that I do not wish on anyone. This particular individual’s post here on the COTH bulletin board was just a small part of this individual’s campaign against me. It is very sad that this bulletin board, which can be a very effective and interesting tool for sharing information is sometimes turned into something sinister.

For the record: I am not holding back the breeding certificates because this individual owes me the stud fees. This individual owes me money BEYOND the stud fees. Based on this individual’s exhibited behavior, I do not have any other recourse for a chance to see that money ever again.

For the record: this past breeding season the OP helped me to collect my stallion exactly 3 times. That amounts, for the two breedings at market value, to a wage of $1000 per 30 minutes or $2000 per hour.

For the record: I have been an active member IN GOOD STANDING of the AHHA for 17 years, served for years on the board of directors and on the breeding committee, have promoted the association and I have brought countless of members on board. I have a good relationship with the association AND with my mare owners and I always did my absolute best to help them.

I have ALWAYS honored my word, contract or no contract. I have honored re-breeds for clients 4-5 years after their mares lost pregnancies, I have given re-breeds when clients’ several month-old foals had to be put down, I have given breeding certificates to clients who could not pay me for years. I fully believe that I have an incredibly talented and pre-potent stallion and I have always appreciated mare owners who believed in that. I have always gone out of my way to get my clients what they wanted: foals of their dreams.

Sincerely,

Andras Szieberth
www.prairiepinesfarm.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4SfHHhoc_8

#2

I don’t believe your name was ever mentioned in that thread and coming on here and posting this was probably not the best idea. Just saying. I soooo wish I could have a margarita right meow.

#3

And neither is sending private messages to people who have no clue as to who you are or what you are talking about!

#4

“Potential Problems”

You both have responded to a post “Potential Problems Registering 2011 foals” on December 2, 2010. I believe if someone posts a negative comment on me on a public forum, I have the right to respond. My intention is purely let all the posters know what the real situation is. I just wanted to set the record straight. Thank you very much.

#5

I was also contacted by Andras and his message was very polite.

I admit to not remembering right away about the thread in question, but his response was not inadequate or threatening in any way.

Unlike some other SOs who threaten legal action left and right… :eek:

#6

I don’t remember your name being mentioned on the other thread either, so posting her probably wasn’t a good option considering that most had no clue who the SO in question even was.

However, I do know both parties involved in this mess, though neither of them well. I took a couple lessons from Andras (who is a truly gifted horseman from what I have seen, as far as identifying pain issues that cause behavior problems). I’ve met the MO as well, though again don’t know her well. But really, both of you guys need to keep this off COTH and solve it between yourselves. If that means going to small claims court to try to get money owed, or papers on the foals, or whatever. Airing dirty laundry here doesn’t do anyone any good.

#7

I think you have to walk a bit in Andras’ shoes to understand where he’s coming from here. While some may not have recognized who the thread was about, we certainly did, and I would guess that others who’ve paid attention in these forums over the years did as well. While it’s unfortunate that any of this dispute (between once good friends) was aired here, the fact is, it was… so I can understand why he feels a need to clear the air by expressing his side of things. Hopefully this can now be resolved privately. Otherwise Jos, Kathy and Mary Lou will have to pop up here to entertain us. :yes:

#8

[QUOTE=szipi;5404842]
I believe I have to respond to certain accusations posted on this public bulletin board against me with regards to a mare owner not being able to obtain breeding certificates for future foals. Andras Szieberth
www.prairiepinesfarm.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4SfHHhoc_8[/QUOTE]

While I can certainly understand a stallion owners position (having had a few mare owners of my own to deal with over the years) I don’t know either stallion owner or mare owner and, quite frankly, was somewhat taken aback by being sent a private message by someone I don’t know in reference to a thread that apparently was active almost two months ago that I didn’t remember until having read through the posts on THIS thread. I don’t remember anyone’s name being mentioned. And whatever advice I gave was given based on the info that was presented at that time.

#9

To anyone in this area, it is VERY obvious who it was about and the OP on the other thread has made several attacks - some where he was called out by name (or by website) and others not.

If you’re active in the BWP and AHHA, you also know exactly who it’s about because there are not a ton of stallions approved in both registries…

I don’t think he’s unjustified in telling his side of the story or using his name. He’s not naming other people’s names, or even giving any sort of details that make it obvious who the other person is, which is more than you can say for the other person involved here.

I was willing to listen to both sides when there was the original complaint, but after seeing post after post where they bashed the SO for different things, I just filed it away as a personal smear campaign.

#10

This!!

#11

I was unaware that is was so obvious who was involved, but yeah, I do agree that it seemed like the MO was out to ruin Andras’ name.

By saying that maybe posting wasn’t the best idea, I meant simply because in that original post, Andras wasn’t named.

#12

[QUOTE=JWB;5405456]
To anyone in this area, it is VERY obvious who it was about and the OP on the other thread has made several attacks - some where he was called out by name (or by website) and others not.

I don’t think he’s unjustified in telling his side of the story or using his name. He’s not naming other people’s names, or even giving any sort of details that make it obvious who the other person is, which is more than you can say for the other person involved here.

I was willing to listen to both sides when there was the original complaint, but after seeing post after post where they bashed the SO for different things, I just filed it away as a personal smear campaign.[/QUOTE]

I also agree with JWB. I don’t know any of the people involved, nor am I geographically located such that I would know any of the people. But it took me all of 3 seconds to figure out who the stallion owner being talked about was.

I think it’s well within his right to come on here and tell his side of the story. I’m not sure why anyone would say that his name wasn’t mentioned therefore it isn’t a wise idea…I think everything BUT his name was mentioned through the course of the other thread. And if I could figure it out without any knowledge of…well…anything relating to either party, then anyone can.

#13

Although I do not know Andras personally, he was very helpful when I was planning to breed my mare. Unfortunately, she sustained a pasture injury and had to be euthanized. I feel very badly that someone is going for the smear campaign technique. It is just plain wrong! I completely understand why Andras found it necessary to come on the board and clear his name!

#14

It’s just really sad and awkward. I know and like the SO and the MO here but the situation is just ugly. I feel like people are being forced to choose sides (if you’re friends with them, then you’re not friends with me type of stuff) and the horse industry is just too small to do that kind of thing.

I don’t know who’s right or wrong… All I know is this. The SO had never spoken ill of the MO. Even very recently when I asked him about it, all he said was something along the lines of being “sad that they were moving in a different direction, because they had been good friends.”

The other side has come here in a public forum and repeatedly given out his website and enough identifying information that ANYONE could figure out who he was.

I can’t assign blame or say who’s right or wrong in the original situation(s) but I do know this - You can’t smear mud in someone’s face without getting your own hands really dirty.

#15

More people should use their real names here and stand behind what they believe in. I hope that things can be resolved.

If it was easy to always see eye to eye, we would have world peace and fewer divorces.

Good luck to all.

#16

[QUOTE=JWB;5405456]
other person involved here.

I was willing to listen to both sides when there was the original complaint, but after seeing post after post where they bashed the SO for different things, I just filed it away as a personal smear campaign.[/QUOTE]

Ditto, here. I have always found Andras to be above board with regards to his business dealings.

#17

[QUOTE=Ladybug Hill;5407711]
More people should use their real names here and stand behind what they believe in. I hope that things can be resolved.

If it was easy to always see eye to eye, we would have world peace and fewer divorces.

Good luck to all.[/QUOTE]

Agree :slight_smile:

#18

[QUOTE=flyinghorse;5409183]
Ditto, here. I have always found Andras to be above board with regards to his business dealings.[/QUOTE]

Ditto here too.

#19

really wish folks would NOT air their woes & disagreements on this board.

First, because of privacy. But more importantly, there are ALWAYS 2 sides to every story, and we are only getting one of them (not talking about this case, but about any).

Just settle it like adults…

#20

exactly my point

[QUOTE=Kyzteke;5409580]
really wish folks would NOT air their woes & disagreements on this board.

First, because of privacy. But more importantly, there are ALWAYS 2 sides to every story, and we are only getting one of them (not talking about this case, but about any).

Just settle it like adults…[/QUOTE]

This was exactly my point. If someone has a problem with me, they are always welcome to pick up the phone and discuss it. That is why I always use my name and contact info in ANY of my communications, public or private.

And yes, there are always two sides of the story, that’s why I felt to be appropriate to tell my side. I do not expect anyone to take sides.

Lastly, I do not think anyone can reasonably expect privacy on a public forum.

Andras
www.prairiepinesfarm.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4SfHHhoc_8

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