Setting the record straight

[Kyzteke]

@szipi;5410421

Lastly, I do not think anyone can reasonably expect privacy on a public forum.

Andras
www.prairiepinesfarm.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4SfHHhoc_8

I agree – that’s why “private” issues should not be aired on a public BB in the first place.

The Mods should control this alittle better, IMHO – for instance if a thread starts with “SO Won’t give me the papers on my foal – what do I do?” or some such nonsense, I think the Mods should lock it immediately.

For heaven’s sake – if your problem solving skills are so bad as an adult that you can’t figure out how to call a registry or a lawyer or the SO without posting on a BB, then you are really almost too stupid to live.

So I always figure it is a attempt to discredit SOMEONE, and that’s really not what this board is for.

But you know people – they tend to love drama and trainwrecks. That’s why reality TV is so popular!

Anyway, I know neither parties and I hope all is resolved to everyone’s satisfaction.

[EquusMagnificus]

[QUOTE=Kyzteke;5410445]

For heaven’s sake – if your problem solving skills are so bad as an adult that you can’t figure out how to call a registry or a lawyer or the SO without posting on a BB, then you are really almost too stupid to live.[/QUOTE]

:lol: ROFTL :lol:

My goodness! :winkgrin:

[Ponytailponygirl]

Andras is perhaps protesting too much…and why is he private messaging people he doesn’t even know? There are 2 sides to every story indeed! Time will tell who lies about what!

[Ponytailponygirl]

:DAndras is perhaps protesting too much…and why is he private messaging people he doesn’t even know? There are 2 sides to every story indeed!

Funny how he didn’t mention a vet bill in excess of 1600 that he owes the OP, and the questionable way in which it was passed on to her. He’s counting on that info being kept quiet. I don’t believe any of the associations will accept his original excuse of not making it possible for her to register her foal. And she has contacted the appropriate association, and an attorney. She was asking for info on here, as there is a lot of red tape while waiting for answers. Simple.

[Ponytailponygirl]

Desperation always rears her ugly head, doesn’t she?

[Stoney447]

[QUOTE=Ponytailponygirl;5414076]
Desperation always rears her ugly head, doesn’t she?[/QUOTE]

Uggg, go away.

Your smug comments about nothing will not make me or anyone with half a brain think anything different than we already do about Andras or…well anything for that matter. If you are going to post say something worth saying or just hush.

[Ponytailponygirl]

oh, cool, then you’ve already dealt with him.

[Ponytailponygirl]

[QUOTE=Stoney447;5414128]
Uggg, go away.

Your smug comments about nothing will not make me or anyone with half a brain think anything different than we already do about Andras

Cool! Then you’ve already dealt with him.

[Ponytailponygirl]

[QUOTE=Stoney447;5414128]
Uggg, go away.

Your smug comments about nothing will not make me or anyone with half a brain think anything different than we already do about Andras or…well anything for that matter. If you are going to post say something worth saying or just hush.[/QUOTE]

Cool, then you’ve obviously dealt with him already.

[Stoney447]

Honestly, thank you for editing your post to include actual information that includes an actual point. You are entitled to your points surely.

Whether I have delt with him or not has no bearing on how I feel about this situation. As far as I am concerned, the MO and the SO could both be great people at the same time, tied up in a situation that has gone wrong. It is not for me to judge and I could care less about the circumstances. I think that Andras has a great stallion. To be honest, even if there were things he could have done differently in this situation it does not matter to me. If ever I choose to approach him about breeding one of my mares, the outcome of this situation will have no bearing on my decision since I always have a contract for my dealings, and I always have enough money to pay for the service I attain before I attain it. I, myself, refuse to pay for services rendered in any way other than cold, hard cash since it is so easy to quickly fall off of the same page.

He offers a service. You can choose to use the service offered and pay for it as it is offered, or you can choose to go elsewhere. What has happened as the result of one isolated contract should not be brought out in a public board to try to bias other people away from attaining this service, in my humble opinion, especially until this matter is settled (since it seems you said it is potentially going to court) as it could be considered libel.

[Ponytailponygirl]

A statement can only be considered libelous if it is proven to be false. Both parties would also have to have tremendously deep pockets for a litigator to touch it.

[stoicfish]

So really what is your point?
If it is being reviewed by the proper channels then any questions you/she posed are rhetorical and most likely put out their to tell people your side of it and to impress your/her opinion of Andras.
The problem is this is the internet and most opinions are lightly regarded as the full substantiated story is not know.
At the beginning of the 2010, you/she was touting the wonders of Lotus T to anyone that asked about a stallion, now it is about the shortcomings of the owner.
I think most of us are too old to be spoon fed one way or another.

[Timex]

good lord, children, get a grip already! (and for those among us that are capable of operating at a level higher than that of a 5 yr old, i applaud you. the rest of you, however…:rolleyes::rolleyes: )

[Ponytailponygirl]

[QUOTE=JWB;5405456]
To anyone in this area, it is VERY obvious who it was about and the OP on the other thread has made several attacks - some where he was called out by name (or by website) and others not.

If you’re active in the BWP and AHHA, you also know exactly who it’s about because there are not a ton of stallions approved in both registries…

I don’t think he’s unjustified in telling his side of the story or using his name. He’s not naming other people’s names, or even giving any sort of details that make it obvious who the other person is, which is more than you can say for the other person involved here.

I was willing to listen to both sides when there was the original complaint, but after seeing post after post where they bashed the SO for different things, I just filed it away as a personal smear campaign.[/QUOTE]

You have to wonder, when so many people are involved in a “smear campaign”, why? What does someone have to do to elicit that kind of attack? How many legitimate people in the industry encounter this kind of problem? You have to ask yourself, why is it, that when anyone calls the BWP, or the AHA, and his name is mentioned, the person at the other end says, “oh god, not him again”. Who does that? People who generally keep their nose clean don’t need others to defend them. Smoke, fire, smoke, fire.

By the way, there is a ground-breaking editorial on page 4 of Florida Sporthorse Magazine. It is crucial that the message conveyed in that article filters throughout the industry. Some people may recognize the trainer who is profiled in that article.

[Ponytailponygirl]

Funny, he told several people that the OP brought him 90 percent of his business, and that what he owed her in return was immeasurable. And if he really wanted his $250 back, why did he lie in order to file a temporary injunction against her, (which by the way resulted in a mutual no contact order). And why did he double dip on a $1600 vet bill, and fabricate that the person who was supposed to reimburse her for said vet bill, was dead?

If someone is going to “defend themselves” on this forum, they could at least start by being honest. That virtue, apparently, is far beyond the realm of social skills exhibited by this particular SO.

[JWB]

[QUOTE=Ponytailponygirl;5418577]
Funny, he told several people that the OP brought him 90 percent of his business, and that what he owed her in return was immeasurable. And if he really wanted his $250 back, why did he lie in order to file a temporary injunction against her, (which by the way resulted in a mutual no contact order). And why did he double dip on a $1600 vet bill, and fabricate that the person who was supposed to reimburse her for said vet bill, was dead?

If someone is going to “defend themselves” on this forum, they could at least start by being honest. That virtue, apparently, is far beyond the realm of social skills exhibited by this particular SO.[/QUOTE]

You seem to know an awful lot of information that would really only be available to the MO. Just curious as to what your relation or stake is in this? The MO is obviously after breeding certificates and perhaps money she (or he) feel they are owed. The SO is after money he feels he is owed. What is your motivation?

The MO should post their name and all their business information too if they want to bring this into a public forum.

Also the SO has never (that I am aware of) been involved with either of the AHAs. He doesn’t breed Hanoverians or Arabians.

[JackieBlue]

@Ponytailponygirl;5418560

You have to wonder, when so many people are involved in a “smear campaign”, why? What does someone have to do to elicit that kind of attack? How many legitimate people in the industry encounter this kind of problem? You have to ask yourself, why is it, that when anyone calls the BWP, or the AHA, and his name is mentioned, the person at the other end says, “oh god, not him again”. Who does that? People who generally keep their nose clean don’t need others to defend them. Smoke, fire, smoke, fire.

By the way, there is a ground-breaking editorial on page 4 of Florida Sporthorse Magazine. It is crucial that the message conveyed in that article filters throughout the industry. Some people may recognize the trainer who is profiled in that article.

Please, please, please tell me they’re not that unprofessional at AHA and BWP. No one answering a phone for ANY business should ever say such things. Does this really happen??

[dcf13050]

I have spoken with 2 of the MO he has dealt and is referencing, almost daily for a couple months…they do not share his sentiment at all. One of them has had to seek legal counsel for her woes wit him and the other won’t do business with him again ever on any level and that is a direct quote!!! That particular person has helped him over the years putting hundreds of thousands of dollars in his pockets obtaining breedings, clients, sale horses, horse sales, etc for him over the last 7 yrs and again direct quote " I won’t endorse him for anything"! " I wouldn’t trust him to tell me the day of the week."

As far as the AHHA and the good standing he portrays himself to have with them…I would like to hear that directly from the AHHA, as that is not the message they gave me and others when they were called recently. I know for a FACT that one MO, was told just the opposite. He is only in good standing because he paid his dues to them…which doesn’t make you anything but paid up…

Few people have had a pleasant experience with this Professional…most just keep their mouth shut…I don’t. Anyone who has experienced his particular brand of “caring” knows that he abrasive…ever seen him school someone or give a lesson that did not contain swearing and yelling???

How many of you spent days/years working with him??? I don’t mean just a few times per year…I mean on a daily basis? The verbal abuse alone is enough to drive anyone crazy. Did any of you horse professionals know that “Hanoverians are better beaten”, direct quote from him. Have you seen the horses lunged in a less than 10 meter circle for 2 hours and beaten on with a lunge whip, and there is always a justification for his actions…

Lets talk about facts, not his opinion of himself. As far as obtain the foals of my dreams…yes…the foals are nice…but he is a nightmare.

And just so you all know…He owes me money…from double dipping a bet bill that was paid by a third party (that he claims this person is dead…but is not) and I paid him $1600.00 for said vet bill to the University of FL…funny…he doesn’t want to talk about that!!!

Some people call this a “direct smear campaign”, I call it shedding light on the truth.

[Home_Again_Farm]

For the record, I assume many posters are using AHA to mean American Holsteiner Assn. The correct term would be AHHA (American Holsteiner Horse Assn.). The Hanoverian group is AHS which stands for American Hanoverian Society.

[JWB]

It just seems to me that since the MO sits on the board of one of the registries in question it should be taken up in private, within the registry instead of in a public forum. It also makes me think twice about which registry gets my yearly dues. If a board member will smear one of the registries long time SOs in public, what sort of profesionalism or fairness can be expected of the board as a whole?

Let me be clear. I am not saying that the MO is making this up or that she doesn’t have a legitimate beef. I am saying that launching a smear campaign in a public forum is unprofessional at best.