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Ahh, the original “Seven Games” VHS tape? Lovely. It’s a very elementary view of the 7 games. If that’s all you have seen, you don’t know the 7 games 
[quote=fiona;2985153]Meanwhile, Olympic dreams aside, what are the 7 games? The only information i have gleaned so far is that i need a porcupine, a carrot shaped like a stick, a big bouncy ball and a large plastic sack.
The above being a serious question. Please tell me i’m all agog.
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Truly, are you serious? I would be more than happy to explain them, but honestly, the venom directed at rational discussion of PNH makes me very hesitant to do it here. Several folks insist on derailing each and every “really, I WANT to learn something about this” discussion on this subject. If you really are interested, please PM me and I’ll be more than happy to give you a good summary of them
A more important question. Does this mean that if I join the Zetl Savvy Club, then I get to put stickers in my book for each of the levels? Does this mean I can only get the stickers if I do the rides in the Official Zetl Blinged Brow Band with the matching Blinged Saddled Pad? Because if so, I’m going to have to break open the 401(k).
Ahh, the original “Seven Games” VHS tape? Lovely. It’s a very elementary view of the 7 games. If that’s all you have seen, you don’t know the 7 games
Why doesn’t that surprise me. You buy the ’ seven games’ tape but then, let me guess, they tell you you need to buy the next tape to fully understand the seven games?
Lovely (marketing) indeed.
Thanks. I so needed a train wreck. And nothing spells “trainwreck” like “P-A-R-E-L-L-I.”
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Ahh, the original “Seven Games” VHS tape? Lovely. It’s a very elementary view of the 7 games. If that’s all you have seen, you don’t know the 7 games
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Well, if someone said they’d seen the diagram of the training scale, I’d also say they don’t “truly” know the training scale. But knowing what the training scale is about and knowing what the seven games are about should lead one to be able to reasonably decide whether they’re the same thing, and honestly, I don’t think it’s even close, even if you took the name Parelli and all the gadgets and Groessenwahnsinn that go with it out of the equation.
Exactly.
But knowing what the training scale is about and knowing what the seven games are about should lead one to be able to reasonably decide whether they’re the same thing, and honestly, I don’t think it’s even close, even if you took the name Parelli and all the gadgets and Groessenwahnsinn that go with it out of the equation.
It’s not an apples to apples comparison, so no, one cannot say “Game 1 = Rhythm”. But the games ARE a progression of behavior that is the basis of good horsemanship, and those components are at the root of all the components of the training scale, regardless of what you call them. The games teach rhythm, suppleness, contact, impulsion, straightness, and collection. How you take that teaching is what then separates Dressage from Reining from Hunters from whatever.
Now, before anyone says it, just don’t - I am not saying if you aren’t doing the 7 games, you can’t achieve the training scale. There are many roads to Rome.
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It’s not an apples to apples comparison, so no, one cannot say “Game 1 = Rhythm”. But the games ARE a progression of behavior that is the basis of good horsemanship, and those components are at the root of all the components of the training scale, regardless of what you call them. The games teach rhythm, suppleness, contact, impulsion, straightness, and collection. How you take that teaching is what then separates Dressage from Reining from Hunters from whatever.
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Well, dang. I tried to say that and got accused of “creative and generous”, and not in a good way.
Tho we don’t yet know what JB will be accused of, other than The One True Road thing (which neither are).
But I am glad to see that I’m not the only one who sees the qualities of the dressage training scale in correct exercises of other traditions. Regardless of how they’re packaged :rolleyes:
You obviously don’t really care about understanding the program, and that’s fine.
Yes, there is a “this is the 7 games” tape that is OLD. It’s an introduction to PNH. PNH is a program of 3 levels, each progressing on the one before it. The 7 games tape is a taste of it, nothing more. So yes, if you want to get into the program their way, you do have to buy into their Levels program. Nothing’s forcing you to go to Level 2 once you work through Level 1 (which is where the games are fully explained and practiced).
Lovely (marketing) indeed.
So then you also have a problem with Silvia Loch’s 3-tape series “The Classical Seat” - Part 2 has “prep work to rebalance the horse” - but you have to buy Part 3 to get there.
You also have to take offense with Clinton Anderson and Dennis Reis too, as they have a VERY similar program.
You’re right 
“Trying to be more aesthetic” means, to me, that the Dressage training scale, followed to the letter, creates the “pretty” package that upper level dressage folks want to see. The 7 games, in and of themselves, played as they are introduced, certainly don’t do that and aren’t intended to do that. They are elementary building blocks that are built upon by how you incorporate them into your riding and groundwork. Using them in more and more creative ways gets you where you want to go, regardless of discipline, IF you know how to use them properly, which also means you are a good trainer.
But I am glad to see that I’m not the only one who sees the qualities of the dressage training scale in correct exercises of other traditions. Regardless of how they’re packaged
Exactly. Heck, a good Hunter trainer will take a horse to about Second Level without ever using a dressage saddle 
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So then you also have a problem with Silvia Loch’s 3-tape series “The Classical Seat” - Part 2 has “prep work to rebalance the horse” - but you have to buy Part 3 to get there.
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Yeah, all of them, and every instructor who says “you really should have another lesson next week”.
I agree. And I actually think this has been going on longer than people realize… he’s been working the soft end of horse training for a long, long time now.
I am not saying if you aren’t doing the 7 games, you can’t achieve the training scale. There are many roads to Rome.
:lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol:
Where is the knee slapping emoticon when you need it? There’s a great signature for someone.
So then you also have a problem with Silvia Loch’s 3-tape series “The Classical Seat” - Part 2 has “prep work to rebalance the horse” - but you have to buy Part 3 to get there
Yes. Sylvia Loch belongs in the same basket with the snake oil Parelli franchisers. This is not about dressage v. NH. Try reading what has been written.
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Glad it amuses you so :rolleyes:
Yes. Sylvia Loch belongs in the same basket with the snake oil Parelli franchisers. This is not about dressage v. NH. Try reading what has been written.
I have never implied this is about Dressage vs NH - you guys do that nicely, thanks. You seem to have a problem with a progression of learning media, and that’s what my example is about.
How about The American System of Forward Riding? Did you know there’s a gasp series of DVDs that progress you through, how about this, rhythm, straightness, impulsion, and more? Who knew!
What about woodworking - I BET there is an “Introduction to Woodworking” - learn all about the basic tools, how to use them, safety lessons on not getting eyes poked out and fingers chopped off. But, if you want to learn to build something more than a box to store stuff in, guess what, there’s another DVD just waiting to show you how to do more sophisticated things with your table saw, miter saw, and router. Go figure.
Obviously, you have bought into the thing. Good luck.
I have never implied this is about Dressage vs NH - you guys do that nicely, thanks
See, you really aren’t reading what people have written or you would not say that.
This is about Parelli, not NH in general.
whatever works for you too - good luck.
See, you really aren’t reading what people have written or you would not say that.
This is about Parelli, not NH in general.
I AM reading what was written, I’m not sure you are. You picked at things that PNH does, but he/they don’t have the market cornered on the things you nit-picked on. If you want this to be about Parelli, then pick on something PNH-specific. Yes, PNH has the corner on those names of the games, but they are by FAR not the only ones that do those same games - they are just called something different, or nothing in particular, with the other guys. You picked on the “well if you want to learn more, you have to buy another (set of) DVDs” - others do that as well.
then pick on something PNH-specific.
They are obnoxious. Is that specific enough?
Ya know…at least Sara Stettner doesn’t insist you have to buy her bridles, or her splint boots. Although she does have a wonderful series of “how to” videos.
LOL, yep. I have no problem with someone disliking them because of their attitude
I cannot find the thread. Would you please post a direct link, if possible? Thank you!
